Imperial City Prison (Vet)

Molag_Crow

Why is this even considered a dungeon? it's more like a raid/trial....

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Zeg0ta

Prison really isn't all that hard it's all about mechanics and group coordination. Just last night ran it with 4dps it took us some time but it's doable.

Molag_Crow

• Has a similar amount of 'clear' time to a raid/trial.
• Trash are like mini-bosses.
• Bosses have raid 1-shot mechanics and enrage timers on Flesh Atron's, etc.

Molag_Crow

Zeg0ta wrote: »

Prison really isn't all that hard it's all about mechanics and group coordination. Just last night ran it with 4dps it took us some time but it's doable.

I understand, but for random PUGs (since it's the Pledge today)? man... absolute nightmare.

I'm gonna skip it for today

eliisra

Zeg0ta wrote: »

Prison really isn't all that hard it's all about mechanics and group coordination. Just last night ran it with 4dps it took us some time but it's doable.

It's definitely not hard IF you have decent dps. Even tank is dead weight on last boss, unless he can re-spec dps and be useful.

But pugs lack decent dps, that's the problem. Even if they know tactics and can coordinate some, they cant do it because mediocre dmg.

Pugs usually wont make it past first boss, because they're not burning down the trash quick enough. Second boss they have no chance in hell, because you need to stack and bomb atro's. No one running vICP successfully bothers with that *** clunky synergy lol. Pugs trying to do it the indented way is a hopeless mission.

It's nice there's still 1 dungeon you cant brain afk/sleep through. But is it really the best choice to have in the daily pledge rotation?

revonine

Attempted it once with pugs today. Other DPS had zero aoe to speak of and refused to target adds on the first boss. We cleared it but took ages. Tank then left immediately after boss died. End of run.

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Zeg0ta wrote: »

Prison really isn't all that hard it's all about mechanics and group coordination. Just last night ran it with 4dps it took us some time but it's doable.

I understand, but for random PUGs (since it's the Pledge today)? man... absolute nightmare.

I'm gonna skip it for today

I skip the prison and WGT every time. it's just not worth the hassle, if the gang is even online we'd have to rely on pug healers anyway.

Decayed_Inside

I tried to run with a pug group on normal last night. Wiped at overfiend about a dozen times they just couldn't stay alive. I tried saving up overload and just burning him but the pugs couldn't even DPS or anything. Gonna try vet in a bit if i can even get a group hopefully i get decent people. If anyone on PS4 NA is running I'd love to join. HMU in a pm here's my stats. DPS https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZbcKovUAAEieVa.jpg:large

MLRPZ

Just did it Tanking/Healing with 3 DDs in approximatively 45mn. And one of the DDs didn't know the dungeon after 2nd boss

daemonios

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Why is this even considered a dungeon? it's more like a raid/trial....

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No. It really isn't.

Molag_Crow

daemonios wrote: »

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CrowsDescend wrote: »

Why is this even considered a dungeon? it's more like a raid/trial....

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No. It really isn't.

Yes, for the average PUG it is.

Molag_Crow

MLRPZ wrote: »

Just did it Tanking/Healing with 3 DDs in approximatively 45mn. And one of the DDs didn't know the dungeon after 2nd boss

PC? = Text chat. That's what we're missing, for now.

Xantaria

but you even get 2 keys

UrQuan

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MLRPZ wrote: »

Just did it Tanking/Healing with 3 DDs in approximatively 45mn. And one of the DDs didn't know the dungeon after 2nd boss

PC? = Text chat. That's what we're missing, for now.

Text chat to communicate in a dungeon that requires coordination is not good... You want voice chat for that. I wouldn't even attempt vICP or vWGT or vCOA without voice chat.

Also, when one of the Imperial City dungeons is the vet pledge, you can complete it on normal mode for a silver key.

Molag_Crow

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CrowsDescend wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

Just did it Tanking/Healing with 3 DDs in approximatively 45mn. And one of the DDs didn't know the dungeon after 2nd boss

PC? = Text chat. That's what we're missing, for now.

Text chat to communicate in a dungeon that requires coordination is not good... You want voice chat for that. I wouldn't even attempt vICP or vWGT or vCOA without voice chat.

Also, when one of the Imperial City dungeons is the vet pledge, you can complete it on normal mode for a silver key.

PUGs barely choose to talk to each other on voice chat... but that's most likely because on the EU megaserver for PS4, we have a high % of German and French players, and a lot of them don't understand English.. fair enough, but it doesn't help in dungeons when the players don't understand each other... meh nvm

I won't even bother with normal, I'll just skip it but thanks for the insight.

nordickittyhawk

I personally think it needs a buff... its too easy now. #BUFFICDUNGEONS

Molag_Crow

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

I personally think it needs a buff... its too easy now. #BUFFICDUNGEONS

It would be cool if they just didn't include it in Pledge quest rotation.

It's obviously on a higher difficulty to the average Veteran dungeon, so why on Nirn do they have to pretend it's Veteran, when it isn't. I'm not saying it's impossible because nothing is impossible; impossible is nothing, but it shouldn't be classed as the same difficulty as other dungeons. It should state that you'll need communication, coordination, plenty of time, patience, awareness to interrupt and of course the right stats to even make a difference.

We all know that Imperial City mobs and dungeons are on a higher difficulty, so it's no secret or conspiracy.

Baffles me.

I know the tactics for Imperial City Prison, but having to rely on other players is much more damaging than not really having to rely on other players in the average vet dungeon, if that makes sense.

phillyproduct

This right here is why console need damage numbers.

This is why their is elitism.

So many players have bad builds bad rotations dont clip animations and swear they do good damage.

This dungeon isnt hard at all no voice chat is nessacary no text chat is nessacary all you need is a score card to see the damage your doing in comparison to everyone else. That way after running 10 dungeons and noticing your the bottom off the scorecard everytime you decide to fix it.

Molag_Crow

phillyproduct wrote: »

This right here is why console need damage numbers.

This is why their is elitism.

So many players have bad builds bad rotations dont clip animations and swear they do good damage.

This dungeon isnt hard at all no voice chat is nessacary no text chat is nessacary all you need is a score card to see the damage your doing in comparison to everyone else. That way after running 10 dungeons and noticing your the bottom off the scorecard everytime you decide to fix it.

Exactly...

Zavus

That's 2 free keys for me on each of my toons xD

redspecter23

The issue with vICP is that average players need to use the mechanics to pass the boss and that's incredibly hard, especially for pugs. Once your dps passes a certain threshold you get to ignore the mechanics entirely, making the flesh sculptor fight MUCH easier than normal.

I see this as an incredible design flaw that seems to have bled over into vet Maelstrom arena as well.

Fight too difficult? Ignore mechanics and add MOAR DPS!!!

ThePonzzz

Even at 15k DPS, the flesh sculptor is rough. You need to be one of those overchargin' DPS sorcs doing 20k+.

daemonios

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daemonios wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Why is this even considered a dungeon? it's more like a raid/trial....

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No. It really isn't.

Yes, for the average PUG it is.

If you go that way, vet DC or vet CoA or vet CoH are trials as well...

Nifty2g

i was farming this dungeon week 1 of release, since then its gotten 3 nerfs
leave it alone it's fine

Molag_Crow

Nifty2g wrote: »

i was farming this dungeon week 1 of release, since then its gotten 3 nerfs
leave it alone it's fine

hedna123b14_ESO

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Even at 15k DPS, the flesh sculptor is rough. You need to be one of those overchargin' DPS sorcs doing 20k+.

That fight is an AoE fight...if you are not pulling 20K + in an AoE fight I don't even know what to say...just spamming elemental Ring with 2+ mobs should yield 20k and if you are stam then it's even easier since you have steel tornado...

Edit: it can be a single target fight, but for that to happen you have to have some amazing DPS...

Molag_Crow

I know I'm being quite dramatic about the trial/raid thing, but that actually would be a good idea. They could make that place a 10 man "dungeon" and I bet it'll still be challenging for PUGs

Magdalina

CrowsDescend wrote: »

• Has a similar amount of 'clear' time to a raid/trial.
• Trash are like mini-bosses.
• Bosses have raid 1-shot mechanics and enrage timers on Flesh Atron's, etc.

Technically I believe good teams clear all current trials much faster than ICP I suppose in ESO terms the difference is simply the number of people?

Molag_Crow

Magdalina wrote: »

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CrowsDescend wrote: »

• Has a similar amount of 'clear' time to a raid/trial.
• Trash are like mini-bosses.
• Bosses have raid 1-shot mechanics and enrage timers on Flesh Atron's, etc.

Technically I believe good teams clear all current trials much faster than ICP I suppose in ESO terms the difference is simply the number of people?

Oh yeah?...

DemonDruaga

I just love that dungeon

Molag_Crow

DemonDruaga wrote: »

I just love that dungeon

I actually like the feel of the place, knowing that the mobs mean business and they don't mess around. 2 mins of slapping a Fleshy and BAM! they're in Hulk mode.

Decayed_Inside

Just tried the flesh sculptor. Crazy fight. I could have done it with another really high DPS running overload and 30+ shots built up just burning the boss but we couldn't do the bossfight the right way. Other dps had zero AOE im dropping liquid lightening and elemental ring alone. He could have at least slotted steel tornado lol