Best race for templar?

DemiDemon

I have been digging around and have seen some posts but they are slightly outdated. Which race would be best for a magicka based Templar? I wish to be a healer on this char. I'm not sure about what skill to use from the other trees but I know I definitely want a healer character.

Thanks!

leepalmer95

High elf / breton

I think high elf is better though, 9% regen > 3% reduction.

Didgerion

The racial passives doesn't affect the end game's attributes by much....dammit how come it's not 2014 now....bugs everywhere let me fix this time machine quickly.

leepalmer95

Didgerion wrote: »

The racial passives doesn't affect the end game's attributes by much....dammit how come it's not 2014 now....bugs everywhere let me fix this time machine quickly.

I think it helps quite a bit , the extra magicka, regen and ele dmg helps quite a bit.

Sunah

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

The racial passives doesn't affect the end game's attributes by much....dammit how come it's not 2014 now....bugs everywhere let me fix this time machine quickly.

I think it helps quite a bit , the extra magicka, regen and ele dmg helps quite a bit.

Templars attack with magic not elemental damage, well most skills. Breton seems to be the top pick overall on Templar healers. I personally went with Imperial only because I wanted to be a bit more tanky, the extra HP helps quite a bit and I don't usually have any mana issues because resto staves return a bunch of mana back.

leepalmer95

Sunah wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

The racial passives doesn't affect the end game's attributes by much....dammit how come it's not 2014 now....bugs everywhere let me fix this time machine quickly.

I think it helps quite a bit , the extra magicka, regen and ele dmg helps quite a bit.

Templars attack with magic not elemental damage, well most skills. Breton seems to be the top pick overall on Templar healers. I personally went with Imperial only because I wanted to be a bit more tanky, the extra HP helps quite a bit and I don't usually have any mana issues because resto staves return a bunch of mana back.

Well i'd assume the ele dmg would be useful if they use a desto staff or meteor or such.

I still think 9% regen is > 3% reduction though.

DemiDemon

@leepalmer95 @Sunah

I think the two skill trees I'd be working with most would be Dawn's Wrath and Restoring light so does that need any elemental damage at all? I'd primarily be a healer but would like to be able to help at times as well. I figure the other one is more stamina based since it's all melee attacks.

Sunah

@DemiDemon

It really depends on the group you are running. Will you be running with the traditional set up, tank healer 2 dps. Or will you be running 3 dps and healer?

If you are pretty much doing nothing but heals and support then the only dawns wrath ability you will use will either be dark flare or purifying light. (every ~18 secs to keep minor sorcery up). Everything else will be debuffs or buffs which don't do enough damage to really matter.

Now you are going to hear a bunch of elitest who claim that you should be helping out with damage since its the "meta". But like I said before it all depends on the group you are running with. Not everything you run with will be balls to the walls beast mode no heals needed blah blah. Just play the way you want. So again like I said earlier, altmer is meh since the regen isn't a big deal since you should be stacking quite a bit of it and elemental damage is pretty useless. HOWEVER altmer is good if you decide to switch to magical dps Templar for some fights or even vet maelstrom arena. But overall id choose between brenton or imperial.

Laranoye

Imperial.. That is all.

Soris

Altmer > Breton
Winperial > All
because reasons

Nifty2g

altmer

dodgehopper_ESO

Consider for a moment that Orc has pretty good attributes, as well as improved sprint speed. Battlefield mobility is nice to have on a class that has none. Orc also has a strong 30% bonus to health regeneration, which I've found isn't as shabby as people let on. It doesn't mean you'll be able to eat more snipes, but it keeps you standing longer.

Consider that a Nord has strong baseline damage mitigation that exceeds imperial between the damage redux and 9% health. The downside of being nord is that you don't have that stamina to work with, but I definitely think for a healer you can get all the healing output needed, and the race gives good survivability to do your job comfortably.

At the end of the day though I personally admit that I feel Breton Templar is the best race/class mix for Templar healers. I also feel that Nord is a close second. I like the nord because its damage mitigation really helps. The healer can't heal the team if he's dead, and Nord is a lot less likely to be dead than a race that doesn't have Nordic levels of mitigation.

Ashamray

Prefer Breton (for magicka. ofc)
1) Templar's damage is magic - altmer passive is great for Reflective Light Build users only.
2) 3% reduction is especially good for Templar due to his high skill cost.
3) Addidional spellres is always valuable.

Flaminir

Either Breton or Altmer.

Both have the 10% extra magicka buff which is the main thing. Beyond that cost reduction Vs Regen.... depends on your build, but regen is probably a little better but not much.

Breton has a bit of extra spell resist which is a nice side bonus but not essential, Altmers elemental damage won't impact much.

It may come down to which race you like the actual 'look' of the most!

Either will be very good.

Baconlad

I'm sorry...but templar damage reduction is the best racial in game. Along with the health. Every other magic race get a magic passive that you can get through other means, templar damage reduction I fantastic, you'll never be below 19k with any build with food. So all stats can go to magic. I'm a templar tank currently, and I could not make my max health/ health regeneration build happen without nord race. Countless enemy players whisper me WTF ARE YOU

DemiDemon

@Sunah

Alright, I may do DPS at some point but so far just looking to be a healer at the moment. I've had one on every MMO I've played so far so this one wont be any different. Sadly Imperial is out due to me having the Adventurer pack rather than the Imperial edition. So Breton looks like the choice here at the moment! Will consider Altmer though when I go to make it but so far Breton may win out here.

@Laranoye

How is a Imperial going to help on a magicka based Templar? They are more of a melee class and this one is going to be more magicka based than stamina. That is why using the Aedric Spear skill set is more than likely out for this Templar.

@Soris

Thanks.

@Nifty2g

Alright, thank you.

@dodgehopper_ESO

I never really considered using a Nord for that. The only Nord I got at the moment is a DragonKnight one. I had to make a character to get my one pack. -lol- This probably wouldn't happen but, if I did wind up deleting my Nord to remake it would the pack that I purchased stay there and would the old name be reusable? Like I said, more than likely will not happen but might as well ask.

@Ashamray

Yeah, so far it's looking like Breton may be the choice. -lol-

@Flaminir

Yeah, that is what got me. I been running into a fair few spell dealing enemies and was rather shocked at the damage they did. So I'd think Breton would help a lot there. I already got a Altmer as is. I think so far all the races look good. Just wish I made my Dunmer a bit taller. >_< Didn't realize she was so short! -lol-

@Baconlad

So for yours you went with Nord but are suggesting Breton over all?

Toast_STS

Dark Elf if you plan to go vampire.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I think your real choice is between Altmer and Breton. I would only chose imperial if you plan to swap between magic and stam, in which case, Dunmer should also be given some consideration.

I think a pure healer will like Breton better for the regen. Someone like @Nifty2g is going to say Altmer. He is not wrong for his playstyle. From reading his builds, they are designed to produce maximum DPS while healing just enough to keep people alive. When 3 out of the 4 players are pulling 20k+, you just don't need to heal that much. That is becoming the meta these days for sure, but not a lot of groups can pull it off.

I think if you really just want to play a healer and focus on group utility, breton is a little better. If you want to maximize your damage output while healing, altmer is better. The real question is whether or not you want pointed ears.

AfkNinja

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I think your real choice is between Altmer and Breton. I would only chose imperial if you plan to swap between magic and stam, in which case, Dunmer should also be given some consideration.

I think a pure healer will like Breton better for the regen. Someone like @Nifty2g is going to say Altmer. He is not wrong for his playstyle. From reading his builds, they are designed to produce maximum DPS while healing just enough to keep people alive. When 3 out of the 4 players are pulling 20k+, you just don't need to heal that much. That is becoming the meta these days for sure, but not a lot of groups can pull it off.

I think if you really just want to play a healer and focus on group utility, breton is a little better. If you want to maximize your damage output while healing, altmer is better. The real question is whether or not you want pointed ears.

You got it backwards. Altmer gets regen and elemental dmg vs Breton gets 3% cost reduction and spell resist

Kelces

What about an argonian, that is also an alchemist? Assign 75 CP to the "apprentice", so you get the passive for 80% magicka cost reduction after drinking a potion - even more fun.

Yeah, I am biased, but that's my 2 cents...

Or what about this: Something you actually like it to be?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

AfkNinja wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I think your real choice is between Altmer and Breton. I would only chose imperial if you plan to swap between magic and stam, in which case, Dunmer should also be given some consideration.

I think a pure healer will like Breton better for the regen. Someone like @Nifty2g is going to say Altmer. He is not wrong for his playstyle. From reading his builds, they are designed to produce maximum DPS while healing just enough to keep people alive. When 3 out of the 4 players are pulling 20k+, you just don't need to heal that much. That is becoming the meta these days for sure, but not a lot of groups can pull it off.

I think if you really just want to play a healer and focus on group utility, breton is a little better. If you want to maximize your damage output while healing, altmer is better. The real question is whether or not you want pointed ears.

You got it backwards. Altmer gets regen and elemental dmg vs Breton gets 3% cost reduction and spell resist

Yep said that wrong. Meant to say Reduction not Regen. What I should have said is sustain. End of the day, its really close. I prefer reduction over regen in PvE, because you are casting spells at a higher rate. Templars don't really do much elemental damage unless running a destro staff, so not sure that's much of a benefit. Spell resist is nice for a healer, but not a game changer.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Edit: Double post, sorry.

Nifty2g

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I think your real choice is between Altmer and Breton. I would only chose imperial if you plan to swap between magic and stam, in which case, Dunmer should also be given some consideration.

I think a pure healer will like Breton better for the regen. Someone like @Nifty2g is going to say Altmer. He is not wrong for his playstyle. From reading his builds, they are designed to produce maximum DPS while healing just enough to keep people alive. When 3 out of the 4 players are pulling 20k+, you just don't need to heal that much. That is becoming the meta these days for sure, but not a lot of groups can pull it off.

I think if you really just want to play a healer and focus on group utility, breton is a little better. If you want to maximize your damage output while healing, altmer is better. The real question is whether or not you want pointed ears.

You got it backwards. Altmer gets regen and elemental dmg vs Breton gets 3% cost reduction and spell resist

Yep said that wrong. Meant to say Reduction not Regen. What I should have said is sustain. End of the day, its really close. I prefer reduction over regen in PvE, because you are casting spells at a higher rate. Templars don't really do much elemental damage unless running a destro staff, so not sure that's much of a benefit. Spell resist is nice for a healer, but not a game changer.

If you have over 300 CP the reduction starts to get diminishing returns making regen better

DemiDemon

@tony.augeb14_ESO

Not entirely sure on that one really. Never really planned to go Vampire on this character. I do have a Dunmer DragonKnight I am going Werewolf on and was considering vampire for my Altmer Sorcerer.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

So seems like I am going Breton then. -lol- I may do a bit of damage and crowd control though when needed and that should still work but over all probably gonna attempt to be a full time healer to keep the party alive.

I honestly don't think I will be doing PVP on this character. That'd probably be my DragonKnight Dunmer and/or Nord.

@Kelces

Honestly I'm not 100% picky on what char I go as but I want to build a very good healer so I can help my guild and friends out mostly so definitely looking for the best possible choice on this one.

@Nifty2g

CP? Champion Points? I thought the veteran thing was still in?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Nifty2g wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I think your real choice is between Altmer and Breton. I would only chose imperial if you plan to swap between magic and stam, in which case, Dunmer should also be given some consideration.

I think a pure healer will like Breton better for the regen. Someone like @Nifty2g is going to say Altmer. He is not wrong for his playstyle. From reading his builds, they are designed to produce maximum DPS while healing just enough to keep people alive. When 3 out of the 4 players are pulling 20k+, you just don't need to heal that much. That is becoming the meta these days for sure, but not a lot of groups can pull it off.

I think if you really just want to play a healer and focus on group utility, breton is a little better. If you want to maximize your damage output while healing, altmer is better. The real question is whether or not you want pointed ears.

You got it backwards. Altmer gets regen and elemental dmg vs Breton gets 3% cost reduction and spell resist

Yep said that wrong. Meant to say Reduction not Regen. What I should have said is sustain. End of the day, its really close. I prefer reduction over regen in PvE, because you are casting spells at a higher rate. Templars don't really do much elemental damage unless running a destro staff, so not sure that's much of a benefit. Spell resist is nice for a healer, but not a game changer.

If you have over 300 CP the reduction starts to get diminishing returns making regen better

I would generally defer to @Nifty2g when it comes to Templar advice. For a long time, reduction was considered superior to regen in PvE. CP throws a wrench in a lot of the old Metas. I still think you should make your decision based on whether you want pointy ears.

AfkNinja

Nifty2g wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I think your real choice is between Altmer and Breton. I would only chose imperial if you plan to swap between magic and stam, in which case, Dunmer should also be given some consideration.

I think a pure healer will like Breton better for the regen. Someone like @Nifty2g is going to say Altmer. He is not wrong for his playstyle. From reading his builds, they are designed to produce maximum DPS while healing just enough to keep people alive. When 3 out of the 4 players are pulling 20k+, you just don't need to heal that much. That is becoming the meta these days for sure, but not a lot of groups can pull it off.

I think if you really just want to play a healer and focus on group utility, breton is a little better. If you want to maximize your damage output while healing, altmer is better. The real question is whether or not you want pointed ears.

You got it backwards. Altmer gets regen and elemental dmg vs Breton gets 3% cost reduction and spell resist

Yep said that wrong. Meant to say Reduction not Regen. What I should have said is sustain. End of the day, its really close. I prefer reduction over regen in PvE, because you are casting spells at a higher rate. Templars don't really do much elemental damage unless running a destro staff, so not sure that's much of a benefit. Spell resist is nice for a healer, but not a game changer.

If you have over 300 CP the reduction starts to get diminishing returns making regen better

This, also the + regen is more powerful with Channeled Focus providing a big regen buff, more regen buffs = even better scaling.

Laranoye

DemiDemon wrote: »

@Laranoye

How is a Imperial going to help on a magicka based Templar? They are more of a melee class and this one is going to be more magicka based than stamina. That is why using the Aedric Spear skill set is more than likely out for this Templar.

Because Imperial Has the highest health and stam % gain of all races. and this allows you to only need to enchant with magicka.. Plus if you wanted to switch to play stamplar its easiest with not many draw backs.

Tbh A magicka templar doesnt need a lot of regen... "Channeled Focus".. and the bonus of other races are minimal at best..

Also If you plan to ever Pvp on your templar, imperial is the best race..

So there.. that is why it will help... Dont think of it as a stam build only race..

And saying your not going to be using the Aedric Spear line on your magicka templar?? Are you high? lol its the best line even for magicka templar.. your main attack will be Puncturing sweeps.. And Spear Shards especially for healing spec.. and focus charge for |PVP and Piercing javelin...

DemiDemon

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

It's sounding like it shall be Breton when I go to make him. -lol-

I also saw on a thread that Templar was broken. Is it broken or no?

@AfkNinja

So regen is better to have over reduction in the end? If so then it would definitely be the altmer in the end.

@Laranoye

No, I am not high. I want to play as a healer with maybe a bit of damage dealing but I'd rather be a healer. And again, I do not have access to a Imperial because I bought the other upgrade and unless someone can tell me you can have both, I'm unable to even consider Imperial.

Baconlad

Personally I feel like you should be aiming for passives that are hard to find stat wise. My nord can stack magicka regen and you never know the difference. He can stack stamina, and only be 3k lower than a stamina race. But the max healing passive through argonian, or the nord racials are very undervalued by the community. Argonians can get STUPID levels of healing and still have a VERY SMALL amount of difference in sustain as a Breton or high elf. While nords will not heal as well as argonians, our health and damage reduction means your SELF heals will mean a little bit more...you can play ANY ROLE, and be JUST as effective as ANY other character, even on min/max builds...min maxing is really such SMALL differences in character theory rafting that it really does not matter. Like the pointy ears? Go for it. Like lizards? You'll make a great magick DK....pick an alliance and race you like.

DemiDemon

@BaconLad

That is true. I haven't bothered to look into the passives on races either. I'll go browse them in a bit when my net is done playing stupid.

leepalmer95

Baconlad wrote: »

Personally I feel like you should be aiming for passives that are hard to find stat wise. My nord can stack magicka regen and you never know the difference. He can stack stamina, and only be 3k lower than a stamina race. But the max healing passive through argonian, or the nord racials are very undervalued by the community. Argonians can get STUPID levels of healing and still have a VERY SMALL amount of difference in sustain as a Breton or high elf. While nords will not heal as well as argonians, our health and damage reduction means your SELF heals will mean a little bit more...you can play ANY ROLE, and be JUST as effective as ANY other character, even on min/max builds...min maxing is really such SMALL differences in character theory rafting that it really does not matter. Like the pointy ears? Go for it. Like lizards? You'll make a great magick DK....pick an alliance and race you like.

You get increase max stats from the cp tree.

You can increase regen/reduction/hp recovery etc... buy you can't max stats.

Nords are one of the worst of races.