Don't nerf Wrecking blow, but please fix it

Alucardo

I was messing around with an EP guy today while we were bored, and we both looked at each other and said "wtf" after he managed to wrecking blow me from 15 meters away. The positioning on this skill is utterly broken. It can clip through walls and has more range than it should. I reckon if these issues were fixed, people might have less of a problem with WB. But as it stands, I can't blame them for complaining.
Once again, I don't want to see it nerfed, just fixed. Let's be honest, you won't though. We could make 1,000 posts and this skill will never get looked at because you simply don't care as it works fine in PVE. In fact, you probably stopped reading when you found out this was PVP related. I could write anything about your incompetence right now and you wouldn't be any wiser.

Have a great day

sirrmattus

Alucardo wrote: »

I was messing around with an EP guy today while we were bored, and we both looked at each other and said "wtf" after he managed to wrecking blow me from 15 meters away. The positioning on this skill is utterly broken. It can clip through walls and has more range than it should. I reckon if these issues were fixed, people might have less of a problem with WB. But as it stands, I can't blame them for complaining.
Once again, I don't want to see it nerfed, just fixed. Let's be honest, you won't though. We could make 1,000 posts and this skill will never get looked at because you simply don't care as it works fine in PVE. In fact, you probably stopped reading when you found out this was PVP related. I could write anything about your incompetence right now and you wouldn't be any wiser.

Have a great day

WB is useless against a good player

Alucardo

sirrmattus wrote: »

WB is useless against a good player

Lol that argument makes me laugh every time. "This skill is fine broken, because a good player can work with it"

sirrmattus

Alucardo wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

WB is useless against a good player

Lol that argument makes me laugh every time. "This skill is fine broken, because a good player can work with it"

its true tho. 1.2 sec cast time. you can practically walk through it..

Spacemonkey

sirrmattus wrote: »

WB is useless against a good player

I don't think that was the point. Point was the ridiculous almost non LoS range that almost matches that of Javelin...

sirrmattus

Spacemonkey wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

WB is useless against a good player

I don't think that was the point. Point was the ridiculous almost non LoS range that almost matches that of Javelin...

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Ruben

If this is how it works for everyone... I demand that mine does too! My wrecking blows are cancelled if I get too far from the target.

Decayed_Inside

CC immunity is broken too. I think that's why many people hate WB because CC immunity is not working so it's endless CC sometimes

sirrmattus

Ruben wrote: »

If this is how it works for everyone... I demand that mine does too! My wrecking blows are cancelled if I get too far from the target.

its not. they are full of it
and i hate wb too

Alucardo

Ruben wrote: »

If this is how it works for everyone... I demand that mine does too! My wrecking blows are cancelled if I get too far from the target.

Yeah I think it's a pretty inconsistent thing, and I'm sure there's more variables to make it work, but the fact it's possible is pretty stupid.
It's making a dumbed down ability even dumberer.

Alucardo

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

CC immunity is broken too. I think that's why many people hate WB because CC immunity is not working so it's endless CC sometimes

This certainly doesn't help. WB isn't too bad on its own, but when you've got 2 or more people crit rushing and WBing you with faulty mechanics it's a real pain to deal with.

sirrmattus

Alucardo wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

CC immunity is broken too. I think that's why many people hate WB because CC immunity is not working so it's endless CC sometimes

This certainly doesn't help. WB isn't too bad on its own, but when you've got 2 or more people crit rushing and WBing you with faulty mechanics it's a real pain to deal with.

ye, and 2 nb ambush and SA. ur dead. whats ur point?

olsborg

Ive had wb hit me through a floor, around a corner, behind the player who is wbing, from 10-15m away and lastly while im mid dodge. Its fcukd up.

SemiD4rkness

Best counter to WB? Reverberating bash, evern more broken

Decayed_Inside

Alucardo wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

CC immunity is broken too. I think that's why many people hate WB because CC immunity is not working so it's endless CC sometimes

This certainly doesn't help. WB isn't too bad on its own, but when you've got 2 or more people crit rushing and WBing you with faulty mechanics it's a real pain to deal with.

And if someone fears at that exact moment it's all over.

Alucardo

sirrmattus wrote: »

ye, and 2 nb ambush and SA. ur dead. whats ur point?

I can deal with that better than wrecking blow knocking me on my ass every 2 seconds because CC immunity didn't work correctly and they have more reach than stretch armstrong

sirrmattus

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Best counter to WB? Reverberating bash, evern more broken

in what sense?

Molag_Crow

sirrmattus wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

WB is useless against a good player

Lol that argument makes me laugh every time. "This skill is fine broken, because a good player can work with it"

its true tho. 1.2 sec cast time. you can practically walk through it..

While lagging? while it's used on you in a 1vX situation? while CC'd? you people act as if Wrecking Blow never touches you, like as if you're all wearing anti-wrecking blow underwear.

sirrmattus

Alucardo wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

ye, and 2 nb ambush and SA. ur dead. whats ur point?

I can deal with that better than wrecking blow knocking me on my ass every 2 seconds because CC immunity didn't work correctly and they have more reach than stretch armstrong

hardcore exaggeration

Jaronking

olsborg wrote: »

Ive had wb hit me through a floor, around a corner, behind the player who is wbing, from 10-15m away and lastly while im mid dodge. Its fcukd up.

Video or it didn't happen.

Forestd16b14_ESO

The skill is supposed to hit hard yes but a cast time less than a 1 second when NPCs WB take 2 or 3 seconds to cast. Look all WB needs done is to give it a NPC cast time or 2 or 3 seconds that's it. Also to remove animation cancellation so players don't put it back to square one.

Alucardo

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

The skill is supposed to hit hard yes but a cast time less than a 1 second when NPCs WB take 2 or 3 seconds to cast. Look all WB needs done is to give it a NPC cast time or 2 or 3 seconds that's it. Also to remove animation cancellation so players don't put it back to square one.

Naw I think that would be a considerable nerf. I just want its bugs fixed

sirrmattus

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

The skill is supposed to hit hard yes but a cast time less than a 1 second when NPCs WB take 2 or 3 seconds to cast. Look all WB needs done is to give it a NPC cast time or 2 or 3 seconds that's it. Also to remove animation cancellation so players don't put it back to square one.

WHATT????? are you serious?
dude i dont use wb, but this is nonsense

Wollust

The CC issues needs to be fixed and the sometimes ranged option of wrecking blow. Skill should be completely fine and reasonable then.

Alucardo

Wollust wrote: »

The CC issues needs to be fixed and the sometimes ranged option of wrecking blow. Skill should be completely fine and reasonable then.

Aye, this is all I'm asking. Nothing more.

Recremen

This seems like one of those things that isn't a problem with the skill itself, but with the environment itself. When the visual cues are desynched from the actual engine effects, it causes a lot of headaches, such as a target appearing farther away than it "is" when an effect appears to go off. We should be able to trust the visuals to communicate what is really going on, but sometimes, especially in situations with even a little lag, we just can't.

ShadowDisciple

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYylSf_NOE

git gud.. if you use wb on scrub..you pwn em (or get pwned scrub) if you play vs skilled player WB sux

now scream nerf surprise attack

Takes-No-Prisoner

My 2 cents,

I've used WB into Heavy attack weaving before, which is really devastating. I've also died to the skill numerous times. So I know how the move works. From my vantage point;

1. Make range less, somewhere around 5~7 meters -- my logic, if your going to be casting a hard hitting attack, you need to commit to being close enough where I can react with my best melee/close range attacks. Including things like Fear, Daedric mines, Sweeps, etc.

2. Increase the stamina cost -- my logic, if your going to be using this as your primary DPS and nothing else, I believe the user should be punished for relying on it over and over. How much should the stamina cost be? Well the better question is, how much would it take to deplete the attackers stamina and render him unable to defend him if the attacks miss? I believe if the cost is increased a little bit to where the stamina depletion is far greater then it is now, will force my attacker to more cautiously plan his attack on me. This way, the skilled person using WB for damage still wins when he lands it AND will make it count.

sagitter

The problem with these skills is the the secondary component:
High dmg abilities, like , WB Crystal F. or surprise attack ,shouldn't have CC or debuffs.

leepalmer95

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYylSf_NOE

git gud.. if you use wb on scrub..you pwn em (or get pwned scrub) if you play vs skilled player WB sux

now scream nerf surprise attack

Nice pre IC video,

WB now has broken range, broken cc.

The empower makes it 3 hit light armour users, the double cc and being hit mid dodge roll or when i'm adjacent to them is the icing on the top.

sirrmattus

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYylSf_NOE

git gud.. if you use wb on scrub..you pwn em (or get pwned scrub) if you play vs skilled player WB sux

now scream nerf surprise attack

exactly