Nightblades

Mac10murda

Wait to vet ranks are gone everyone will have a stamblade and mag sorc

Junkogen

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Yeah, lets just nerf another class to the ground instead of balancing pvp.
Exploits have to be fixed of course... And yeah, that counts stamina dk exploits as well. But I dont wanna see any more nerfs.

Some people are just vindictive. They don't care about balance. They just want to ruin the game for other players. It's pretty pathetic. It's a game, people.

Strider_Roshin

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

NBs are OP and I hope they get nerfed to the ground. I want to see more diversity in Cyrodiil/IC. If I die to a 10 man group I just dont want my death recap to be ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush every time.
Yes any class can kill a Nightblade, the problem is a problem when you meet someone as good as you are.
Also they make outnumbered fights impossible to win. When I fight 2 oponnents now I try to stay close to both of them because gap closers are so broken right now, doing that vs nightblade wont work because they're special due to no fkin reason and they don't need a minimum cast range so they can "gapclose" when there's no gap to close. Also no matter how good you are at surviving and using the enviroment in your favor they will be right in your face because they have the only gapcloser that does not give a damn about terrain. The class is cool, it sinergyses amazing with all of it's skills/passives but they're too strong for ESO. They belong to another game and I wont fully enjoy ESO until the class is DESTROYED.
Those are my 2 cents.

If my Nightblades gets nerfed to the ground, it's going to be my stam DK you'll be crying about next.

Tryxus

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

NBs are OP and I hope they get nerfed to the ground. I want to see more diversity in Cyrodiil/IC. If I die to a 10 man group I just dont want my death recap to be ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush every time.
Yes any class can kill a Nightblade, the problem is a problem when you meet someone as good as you are.
Also they make outnumbered fights impossible to win. When I fight 2 oponnents now I try to stay close to both of them because gap closers are so broken right now, doing that vs nightblade wont work because they're special due to no fkin reason and they don't need a minimum cast range so they can "gapclose" when there's no gap to close. Also no matter how good you are at surviving and using the enviroment in your favor they will be right in your face because they have the only gapcloser that does not give a damn about terrain. The class is cool, it sinergyses amazing with all of it's skills/passives but they're too strong for ESO. They belong to another game and I wont fully enjoy ESO until the class is DESTROYED.
Those are my 2 cents.

If my Nightblades gets nerfed to the ground, it's going to be my stam DK you'll be crying about next.

I think it'll be Mag Sorc, cuz he pmed me about how he thinks they are more OP than NB. And since I see him often in IC, I'm pretty sure I know why he wants NB nerfed instead of Sorc

SemiD4rkness

Tryxus wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

NBs are OP and I hope they get nerfed to the ground. I want to see more diversity in Cyrodiil/IC. If I die to a 10 man group I just dont want my death recap to be ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush every time.
Yes any class can kill a Nightblade, the problem is a problem when you meet someone as good as you are.
Also they make outnumbered fights impossible to win. When I fight 2 oponnents now I try to stay close to both of them because gap closers are so broken right now, doing that vs nightblade wont work because they're special due to no fkin reason and they don't need a minimum cast range so they can "gapclose" when there's no gap to close. Also no matter how good you are at surviving and using the enviroment in your favor they will be right in your face because they have the only gapcloser that does not give a damn about terrain. The class is cool, it sinergyses amazing with all of it's skills/passives but they're too strong for ESO. They belong to another game and I wont fully enjoy ESO until the class is DESTROYED.
Those are my 2 cents.

If my Nightblades gets nerfed to the ground, it's going to be my stam DK you'll be crying about next.

I think it'll be Mag Sorc, cuz he pmed me about how he thinks they are more OP than NB. And since I see him often in IC, I'm pretty sure I know why he wants NB nerfed instead of Sorc

Nah if Nightblades get nerfed (which will happen) I don't think I would even care about nerfs to other classes anymore because that would me proof that devs at least kinda know what they're doing. Tryxus, my friend, do you really enjoy seeing sooooo many Nightblades around? All with same build and skills...
Nbs are OP, period. I mean why are there so many nightblades in pvp compared to others? If it was because they're "cool" then they would have been the most played class from the beginning of the game and it wasn't the case.

Tryxus

10$ says you'll cry "NERF SORCS!" when NB get nerfed and we're no longer there to keep them in check

The reason many ppl rerolled to NB (and why they weren't popular in the beginning of the game) is cuz they are the only class that didn't get nerfed -> they went from completely useless to being fixed.

You want to see less NB in Cyro? Don't ask for nerfs, ask for ZOS to fix the other classes on the same lvl

Alucardo wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

All this QQ about OP classes and demanding nerfs for classes that are doing well is just absurd and I hope ZOS has learned not to put much stock in this type of feedback. The bi-polar class and general game balance changes arent good for a game.

Are you that naive or didn't bother reading the comments I made to other people? This is not a nerf post by any means. Nightblades are the most well-designed class in this game. I just want others to be brought up to speed.
Don't worry, I don't want your precious nightblade nerfed. F*cking chill out.

@Alucardo has the right idea here: the other classes need to be buffed to the same lvl as the NB now so that other ppl and those who left their DKs and Temps behind have a reason to play these classes again and to make the battlefield evenly divided between the 4 classes again

Every NB-hater out there needs to realize this: if NB gets nerfed, it'll be the last straw for most ppl out there. Cuz then they'll realize that ZOS will just nerf every class and leave the game, and the last chance we have for "balance" (notice the ""?) in this game (using the NB as a template for the other 3 classes) will be gone for good.

Tabbycat

The game has gone from everyone rolling Dragon Knights to everyone rolling Sorcerers to everyone rolling Nightblades.

Everyone played Templars in the early beta because they could solo everything. I guess once ZOS nerfs the Nightblades into uselessness, it will be the Templars turn to shine again.

MaxwellC

People in this thread stating DKs are strong guys don't get DKs mixed up with 1.5 and early 1.6 please don't thanks to you QQers out there we're no longer that strong class that dominated.
Proof of that is just ask the 3 or 4 skills we haven't got nerf'd yet (ultimate included) so across all ardent,draconic,and earthen heart we have 3 or 4 skills untouched. Remember we had ulti regen and resource regen in PvP and now we no longer have that anymore.

I don't want nerfs rather than buffs as NBs are powerful especially when they can cloak in my AoE and remain cloaked for 1 second or so (utter nonsense). If they can fix some of DKs passives that'll definitely help and if they bring back our regen/ulti regen then we'll rise again but we'll never get back to the top until we get our skills back.

BalticBlues

Tabbycat wrote: »

I guess once ZOS nerfs the Nightblades into uselessness,
it will be the Templars turn to shine again.

A good NB now can kill a Templar (even in HA) within 1-2 secs.
Show us how any Templar could do this.

Tabbycat

BalticBlues wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

I guess once ZOS nerfs the Nightblades into uselessness,
it will be the Templars turn to shine again.

A good NB now can kill a Templar (even in in HA) within 1-2 secs.
Show us how any Templar could do this.

I was pointing out the cycle of nerf a class only for it to be quickly replaced by the next class that is deemed "OP".

CaptainObvious

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

NBs are OP and I hope they get nerfed to the ground. I want to see more diversity in Cyrodiil/IC. If I die to a 10 man group I just dont want my death recap to be ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush every time.
Yes any class can kill a Nightblade, the problem is a problem when you meet someone as good as you are.
Also they make outnumbered fights impossible to win. When I fight 2 oponnents now I try to stay close to both of them because gap closers are so broken right now, doing that vs nightblade wont work because they're special due to no fkin reason and they don't need a minimum cast range so they can "gapclose" when there's no gap to close. Also no matter how good you are at surviving and using the enviroment in your favor they will be right in your face because they have the only gapcloser that does not give a damn about terrain. The class is cool, it sinergyses amazing with all of it's skills/passives but they're too strong for ESO. They belong to another game and I wont fully enjoy ESO until the class is DESTROYED.
Those are my 2 cents.

You want diversity, yet you want a class nerfed into the ground? That sounds more like a personal vendetta than an actual desire for diversity.

Just my 2 cents.

Tell me, Nightblade player, what's the reason behind the fact that about half the players you meet in Cyrodiil are Nightblades? Because they're cool? No, because they're OP.

They are the current flavor of the month. Just like Sorcs before that (Shields), then Templars (Radiant Destruction), Roll Dodgers, Snipe spammers, and Dragon Knights (Wings) before that.

The flavor will change. The main reason why the flavor doesn't change is that most people get all of their ideas from the same place and simply do not want to think.

leepalmer95

BalticBlues wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

I guess once ZOS nerfs the Nightblades into uselessness,
it will be the Templars turn to shine again.

A good NB now can kill a Templar (even in HA) within 1-2 secs.
Show us how any Templar could do this.

They could use their broken gap closer, broken execution, broken sweeps/jabs

leepalmer95

CaptainObvious wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

NBs are OP and I hope they get nerfed to the ground. I want to see more diversity in Cyrodiil/IC. If I die to a 10 man group I just dont want my death recap to be ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush every time.
Yes any class can kill a Nightblade, the problem is a problem when you meet someone as good as you are.
Also they make outnumbered fights impossible to win. When I fight 2 oponnents now I try to stay close to both of them because gap closers are so broken right now, doing that vs nightblade wont work because they're special due to no fkin reason and they don't need a minimum cast range so they can "gapclose" when there's no gap to close. Also no matter how good you are at surviving and using the enviroment in your favor they will be right in your face because they have the only gapcloser that does not give a damn about terrain. The class is cool, it sinergyses amazing with all of it's skills/passives but they're too strong for ESO. They belong to another game and I wont fully enjoy ESO until the class is DESTROYED.
Those are my 2 cents.

You want diversity, yet you want a class nerfed into the ground? That sounds more like a personal vendetta than an actual desire for diversity.

Just my 2 cents.

Tell me, Nightblade player, what's the reason behind the fact that about half the players you meet in Cyrodiil are Nightblades? Because they're cool? No, because they're OP.

They are the current flavor of the month. Just like Sorcs before that (Shields), then Templars (Radiant Destruction), Roll Dodgers, Snipe spammers, and Dragon Knights (Wings) before that.

The flavor will change. The main reason why the flavor doesn't change is that most people get all of their ideas from the same place and simply do not want to think.

and the fact zos updates pvp every 6 months.

Sentinel

At launch, NBs were, well, crap. They still existed however, and even when they were this terrible class, I saw many people playing them nonetheless. I won't believe any claim that popularity has a major correlation with OP-ness of a class unless I see reputable data from launch of the % of NBs in the game, and now with the % of NBs in the game.

With that in mind, NBs were always on the shorter end of the stick for most of a year after launch. It really wasn't until 1.6 that they came into their own, and I believe this to be true due to the mixed implementation of the Champion System, reduction of health modifier, removal of softcaps, and minor skill buffs that came along with the update. I dislike the argument that comes about from when one class is outperforming the others due to a long list of minor things added up, that that class must be nerfed because it will then bring it into balance.

This is key. The reason I believe people have played NB so often (and ever since launch despite their circumstances), is simply because they're fun. If a class is fun to a large segment of the population, it is rather good to consider keeping the class as is, but additionally trying to find ways to make other classes compare, in their own way. This is how Magicka DKs were destroyed. It was fun to a large segment of the population, but also overpowered. The easiest way out (but not the best way out), was to nerf Magicka DKs (one of the main reasons the health modifier went down to 1.1). Now, we see very few of these types of players in Cyrodiil- most of them have adjusted to stamina DK or to an entirely different class.

If the objective of the game is to make the most people happy by keeping classes fun, nerfing a class will take both away. Some ways to bring other classes back on par would be to look at the original 'balance' changes that were put in place that caused this situation. I personally think that adjusting the health modifier to 1.5 again would be one change that'll give DKs and templars a slightly greater presence, and more than that, finding the ways that certain skills were nerfed in both classes that nowadays would be deemed unnecessary would give them the same sense of fun they might have had before being nerfed.

All of the reasons listed in the OP just make me believe NBs are a well rounded class. If this can be made true for other classes once again, our game will be that much more enjoyable.

Lazrael

All I can really say is this. Nightblades really struggled for a long time after the game fully released, having just returned to the game from a long time away, I'd say they are in a very solid place now (Nightblade main). That said, I haven't done much pvp since returning to the game. I can tell you that before taking time away I didn't do much pvp simply because I felt the barrier to entry for someone who can't afford to get on all that often was way too high, and now that I returned I feel good enough about the changes made to give it another shot.

So perhaps my opinion is invalid what with that lack of substantial pvp experience, and if so that's fine. All I know is I have a lot more fun playing my Nightblade now, and the class finally seems to be in a place where it can keep up with other classes.

leepalmer95

Lazrael wrote: »

All I can really say is this. Nightblades really struggled for a long time after the game fully released, having just returned to the game from a long time away, I'd say they are in a very solid place now (Nightblade main). That said, I haven't done much pvp since returning to the game. I can tell you that before taking time away I didn't do much pvp simply because I felt the barrier to entry for someone who can't afford to get on all that often was way too high, and now that I returned I feel good enough about the changes made to give it another shot.

So perhaps my opinion is invalid what with that lack of substantial pvp experience, and if so that's fine. All I know is I have a lot more fun playing my Nightblade now, and the class finally seems to be in a place where it can keep up with other classes.

Nb currently outperforms others by quite a bit.

The burst dmg, sustain, survivability and mobility is much higher than other classes.

Lazrael

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lazrael wrote: »

All I can really say is this. Nightblades really struggled for a long time after the game fully released, having just returned to the game from a long time away, I'd say they are in a very solid place now (Nightblade main). That said, I haven't done much pvp since returning to the game. I can tell you that before taking time away I didn't do much pvp simply because I felt the barrier to entry for someone who can't afford to get on all that often was way too high, and now that I returned I feel good enough about the changes made to give it another shot.

So perhaps my opinion is invalid what with that lack of substantial pvp experience, and if so that's fine. All I know is I have a lot more fun playing my Nightblade now, and the class finally seems to be in a place where it can keep up with other classes.

Nb currently outperforms others by quite a bit.

The burst dmg, sustain, survivability and mobility is much higher than other classes.

Well if that's the case I'd say bring the other classes in line with the Nightblade. Personally I'd argue that NB should have some of the highest burst damage and mobility (just to be in line with the rogue/assassin vibe), there should obviously be a balance, that goes without stating. But just speaking from personal experience, the NB feels good right now. Fun to play, not so strong that gameplay is too easy or boring, but also not so weak that I feel like its not even worth playing.

I understand that Magicka DK is having a bit of a tough time right now, and that's unfortunate as I always really enjoyed that class, can't say I've messed with my sorc or templar much. I imagine sorcs are still quite strong, and I'm sure stam DK is still fine.

But like I said, if there are issues I'd say balance the other classes to bring them in line, don't nerf the NB.

Alucardo

Lazrael wrote: »

But like I said, if there are issues I'd say balance the other classes to bring them in line, don't nerf the NB.

Perfect

Artjuh90

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

NBs are OP and I hope they get nerfed to the ground. I want to see more diversity in Cyrodiil/IC. If I die to a 10 man group I just dont want my death recap to be ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush every time.
Yes any class can kill a Nightblade, the problem is a problem when you meet someone as good as you are.
Also they make outnumbered fights impossible to win. When I fight 2 oponnents now I try to stay close to both of them because gap closers are so broken right now, doing that vs nightblade wont work because they're special due to no fkin reason and they don't need a minimum cast range so they can "gapclose" when there's no gap to close. Also no matter how good you are at surviving and using the enviroment in your favor they will be right in your face because they have the only gapcloser that does not give a damn about terrain. The class is cool, it sinergyses amazing with all of it's skills/passives but they're too strong for ESO. They belong to another game and I wont fully enjoy ESO until the class is DESTROYED.
Those are my 2 cents.

after the first sentence like that i won't even read any further.
NO class should be nerfed to the ground for what reason. and NB only shine in PvP while in PvE they aren't that great. there is just more then PvP but the community of the PvP can't seem to grasp that

Artjuh90

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

NBs are OP and I hope they get nerfed to the ground. I want to see more diversity in Cyrodiil/IC. If I die to a 10 man group I just dont want my death recap to be ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush every time.
Yes any class can kill a Nightblade, the problem is a problem when you meet someone as good as you are.
Also they make outnumbered fights impossible to win. When I fight 2 oponnents now I try to stay close to both of them because gap closers are so broken right now, doing that vs nightblade wont work because they're special due to no fkin reason and they don't need a minimum cast range so they can "gapclose" when there's no gap to close. Also no matter how good you are at surviving and using the enviroment in your favor they will be right in your face because they have the only gapcloser that does not give a damn about terrain. The class is cool, it sinergyses amazing with all of it's skills/passives but they're too strong for ESO. They belong to another game and I wont fully enjoy ESO until the class is DESTROYED.
Those are my 2 cents.

You want diversity, yet you want a class nerfed into the ground? That sounds more like a personal vendetta than an actual desire for diversity.

Just my 2 cents.

Tell me, Nightblade player, what's the reason behind the fact that about half the players you meet in Cyrodiil are Nightblades? Because they're cool? No, because they're OP.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/241566/l2p-or-roll-a-nightblade-pvp#latest

In this thread, comment #45: You claim to beat some 70% of the Nightblades you face. Mostly because they are bad players. Tell me how OP can a class be if it's not able to carry bads to victory?

This is a complex game you should know that. Give a bad player a magicka sorc and a good player a magicka dk the good player is gonna destroy the bad one. Im done with you, you're on denial but whatever you will se im right when NBs get nerfed to the ground.

You should know that Magicka DK is a pretty hard foil for Magicka Sorc, so what are you really saying...

If it helps you sleep at night, and comforts you from Nightblade nightmares, keep telling yourself they'll be nerfed into the ground.

Discussion ended, you must be new to the game or play with really bad people. Equally skilled players theres no way in hel a magicka DK have a slight chance vs a mag sorc.
And yes they'll get nerfed to the ground which means they'll be as effective as a templar or mag dk. I want by no means for them to be weaker than the other classes. That would be silly.

Then what does 'nerfed into the ground' mean in that head of yours?

Im starting to think you dont even PvP considering your attitude and view of things.

It means a huge nerf, not some slight adjusments. I do pvp, a lot, on the shittiest class/build in the game.
Can you answer my question? Why are the vast majority of players in pvp Nightblades?
(Also how dare you say I don't pvp after saying that mag dk is pretty hard foil vs a mag sorc haha)

cause i always liked playing the stealthy kind of character in the TES games? which alot of others did aswell.
i play all classes and NB isn't that great, you should start playing one and see how hard you fail

Sykotical

- Self empowering and easily the best gap closer in the game
All "gap closers" have subtle differences for the sake of diversity. It's not the best just because lackluster souls spam whatever gets them the easiest win. I think it's been noted that some consider Ambush the "best" only because it has no minimum range, but it's fine without a minimum range because teleportation does not require momentum. The slash however, does. Hence the wind-up (i.e. cast time.) The true fix for Ambush spam is to remove the stun/immobilize from all "gap closers" if the target is in combat. Fiery Grip has no minimum range and it doesn't stun/immobilize. Without the immobilize, Ambush wouldn't be spammed any more than Empowering Chains is.
- High damaging insta-cast spammable DD ability with multiple effects
I assume this is about Ambush again. If so, this post has already become redundant (doubly so) and complaining about the same thing repeatedly will get you nowhere but nowhere, fast, in a hurry, and without delay. I don't know what you mean by DD, but my best guess is "damage dealing." Ambush isn't high damage unless someone's all Stamina, but then there are many more powerful Stamina based abilities that anyone who puts thought into the design of their Ability bar would know. Still, combat/ability mechanics should be based on common sense, so it should not scale from Weapon Damage and Max Stamina as that ability uses Magicka to create daggers, teleport, and slash at an enemy. It has a windup and can be interrupted before going off, ergo it's not insta-cast. Many abilities have multiple effects. The one that should be removed here, as I've said, is the stun/immobilize.
- Great passives
I don't feel like researching every class passive in the game and you provide no point of reference for this blanket statement. This one just sounds like a complaint for the sake of complaining.
- Ability to cloak at will, which is extremely powerful, and stupid in an MMO
Cloak lasts 2.8 seconds making it an under-powered utility for many a game. Invisibility is a staple of the stealth class, and quite common in the MMORPG genre. Cloak is not powerful on it's own, but there are a few mechanics that could be adjusted.
One that comes to mind is the target slipping, which works as it has to since this game uses auto aim for every single-target ability in the game. However, it's been brought to my attention that there is an issue with some AoE abilities behaving as target-lock abilities. The fix here is to allow all AoE attacks (e.g. Meteor) target an area, not an individual, as they are the only thing that doesn't require a visual confirmation to deal damage.
- Ability to heal while cloaked
The best fix for this is to remove the Restoration Staff. No one should be able to flip a switch and become a dedicated healer mid-combat.
- Run faster while stealthed
This requires the slotting of Concealed Weapon over Surprise Attack. I stack it with the Steed, Night's Silence, and Major Evasion at the cost of arriving to battle with depleted Stamina and Magicka as well as dealing less damage because I chose my armor set and Mundus stone to stack movement speed over more offensive of defensive options. Not everyone uses Concealed Weapon because DPS is more important to most.
- Their heal that damages while restoring health doesn't rely on crits which won't work against shields (I feel you stam sorcs)
Again, no specifics, but it sounds like a Siphoning Ability. And your complaint (other than it functioning as a Siphoning Ability would) is... something about not needing to be a critical hit to function. All classes have some sort of heal or damage mitigation.
- Instantly purge off DoTs by going invisible at the same time. Sorry DKs.
One morph removes up to 4 DoTs, the other grants Precision. DoTs break Cloak, so many PVP'ers choose the morph that allows the ability to actually work. There are two solutions for your complaint. One, recast the ability that applies the DoT. (You have no more than 10 abilities in combat. I'm sure you'll get around to it.) Two, allow Cloak to persist through DoTs and change the new effect of Dark Cloak. Everyone has access to Purge.
- Cheap ultimate that generates more ultimate, adds major defile, does high damage, is spammable and increases your damage against a target... for 50 ultimate
Well it's certainly nothing special as far as Ultimates go and it's cheap because it does relatively less damage. At this point, I'm surprised you didn't make a bullet point for the other two Ultimates.
My question to you Zenimax regarding the design of Nightblades and the other 3 classes is, were you high?
Class design has evolved and will continue to do so until the class system is done away with. What's with the loaded question?
Discuss.
Where are your outlines for the other classes? If you want a proper discussion, maybe you should provide the pro and cons of every class instead of posting your NB pet peeves and slandering ZOS, but, inferred from the contents of your post, a discussion isn't what you want at all.

RatedChaotic

Alucardo wrote: »

- Self empowering and easily the best gap closer in the game
- High damaging insta-cast spammable DD ability with multiple effects
- Great passives
- Ability to cloak at will, which is extremely powerful, and stupid in an MMO
- Ability to heal while cloaked
- Run faster while stealthed
- Their heal that damages while restoring health doesn't rely on crits which won't work against shields (I feel you stam sorcs)
- Instantly purge off DoTs by going invisible at the same time. Sorry DKs.
- Cheap ultimate that generates more ultimate, adds major defile, does high damage, is spammable and increases your damage against a target... for 50 ultimate

My question to you Zenimax regarding the design of Nightblades and the other 3 classes is, were you high?

Discuss.

When most mmos have a stealth class.Stupid? I'd say ''No''.
Looks like a nerf thread to me.

Xeniph

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

NBs are OP and I hope they get nerfed to the ground. I want to see more diversity in Cyrodiil/IC. If I die to a 10 man group I just dont want my death recap to be ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush ambush every time.
Yes any class can kill a Nightblade, the problem is a problem when you meet someone as good as you are.
Also they make outnumbered fights impossible to win. When I fight 2 oponnents now I try to stay close to both of them because gap closers are so broken right now, doing that vs nightblade wont work because they're special due to no fkin reason and they don't need a minimum cast range so they can "gapclose" when there's no gap to close. Also no matter how good you are at surviving and using the enviroment in your favor they will be right in your face because they have the only gapcloser that does not give a damn about terrain. The class is cool, it sinergyses amazing with all of it's skills/passives but they're too strong for ESO. They belong to another game and I wont fully enjoy ESO until the class is DESTROYED.
Those are my 2 cents.

If my Nightblades gets nerfed to the ground, it's going to be my stam DK you'll be crying about next.

I think it'll be Mag Sorc, cuz he pmed me about how he thinks they are more OP than NB. And since I see him often in IC, I'm pretty sure I know why he wants NB nerfed instead of Sorc

Nah if Nightblades get nerfed (which will happen) I don't think I would even care about nerfs to other classes anymore because that would me proof that devs at least kinda know what they're doing. Tryxus, my friend, do you really enjoy seeing sooooo many Nightblades around? All with same build and skills...
Nbs are OP, period. I mean why are there so many nightblades in pvp compared to others? If it was because they're "cool" then they would have been the most played class from the beginning of the game and it wasn't the case.

The reason you see so many nightblades in pop is two fold. First, as stated a page back, stealth gameplay is popular as a play style. Second, due to the nightblades tool kit, it has the easiest time remaining and getting back into stealth, facilitating the most popular reason why the class is played. Of all classes and specs, the nb is the most proficient at being able to choose target, location and time to engage.

Believe it or not, there is a large portion of the population that does not find grouping fun and could care less about the map. These folks tend to gravitate to the class that caters to that play style.

Lord-Otto

Nightblades are easy mode, that's why you see so many in Cyro. Whether it's because they are OP or because you can just spam two buttons and escape any lost fight at will, is up to you. I think it's both.
I don't think other classes should be brought in line. That would mean giving the other classes the ability to brutally murder you in two seconds, which is boring and turns Cyrodiil into horse riding simulator. Battle Spirit was directly aimed at preventing this, but failed for Nightblades, which is part of why they are so stronk. They need a nerf. They deserve one. DKs got stripped of all of their mechanics and Sorcs got Shield Breaker. Only Nightblades got their hard counter, detect pots, weakened because "detection potions proved too effective in fighting stealthed combat". Lol.

I suggest the Sorc as a good playing field. Currently, I think this class performs well in PvE and PvP, but is not downright broken, as it has two very harsh weaknesses, the obvious Shield Breaker and the stamina pool. Nightblades have virtually no weaknesses, that's what makes them OP. Mag DKs are just walking weaknesses, on the other hand. Nothing like being sniped through flappy wings, can I get a trollface smiley here, please? (@.@) If every class had a built-in weakness that could be exploited, it would make for interesting and skill-based fights, and would prevent a class from ever being OP. And by "weakness" I mean not cheap hard-counters like Shield Breaker or infinite detection potions, but soft ones, as a Sorc's stamina.