Top Three Builds for PvP?

Lucky28

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Huh? What about Stam sorc? Isn't that what you, king Richard, and methuselah, and other popular players play? Why would you omit one of the most op builds out there? All you guys do is bolt, wb, bolt, wb, bolt, wb. Lol your so biased it hurts. I watch your stream. All you do is rage about nb ambush because it's the only class combo that can actually stop your wb bolt nonsense.

Stam sorc is not op. Stam is just better than Magicka because CP favors Magic defense over Physical defense.

.....And Vigor.

They could add 100% physical resist to CP tree and it wont impact magicka sorcs because theyre running shields. This is more relevant for other magicka users like templars, NB, and DK... magicka sorcs - not really.

Stam sorcs pro over magicka sorc is their stam pool for dealing with CCs and their mobility. Their mobility is destroyed by gap closer bugs though this patch. But that goes for everyone - it was just a leading strength of stam sorc.

Magicka sorc will still trump a stam sorc 1 on 1.

Well, no. what i meant was Stamina hits harder than Magicka. That's not to say Magicka loses in all aspects over Stamina, Magicka at least does not have Dodge roll, Break free and offense tied to one resource pool.

I think the magickas still do really well on scaled ults and burst from det - but if they do fix det, things would swing more in that respect. Hopefully det is fixed more appropriately. Wouldnt mind seeing vigor knocked the hell back from being a nonstop running heal as well for every stam player in the game.

I think det is for the most part as good as it's gonna get so long as AOE caps remain in place nerfing the damage on it single target or aoe is gonna do more harm than good to the skill. They need to look at what caused this Zerg ball meta we currently find ourselves in and fix that rather than start nerfing skills, that's not gonna fix the actual issue.

I think anyways.

SemiD4rkness

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stam Templars need a bit of love...

Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out. I've heard over and over that Stam Templars are in a bad spot. But nobody has ever really said why. At least not that I've seen. So enlighten me.

Almost none useful passives, 2 skill lines wasted as stam templar, magicka jabs now outdamages stam jabs and on top of that it heals, very bad class ultimates, 0 bonus to healing, 0 abilities to help sustain, 0 useful magicka dumps and that's about it.

maxjapank

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stam Templars need a bit of love...

Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out. I've heard over and over that Stam Templars are in a bad spot. But nobody has ever really said why. At least not that I've seen. So enlighten me.

Almost none useful passives, 2 skill lines wasted as stam templar, magicka jabs now outdamages stam jabs and on top of that it heals, very bad class ultimates, 0 bonus to healing, 0 abilities to help sustain, 0 useful magicka dumps and that's about it.

Thank you for an answer. But how exactly is that different from a Magicka Templar in terms of dps. Stam Temps benefit from higher weapon damage, which one of the passives actually increases. They have an awesome heal and resource generator in the form of Repentance when in group play. They can go 2-hander which has a heal. They have Can use Vigor which is also a heal. They can go duel wield and play the Steel Tornado meta. They also benefit from higher damage mitigation in the form of Medium armor and CP passives. Dawnbreaker is a viable Ult, too.

Now I can understand not having a Magicka dump. Not sure what I'd exactly use, except for the Blazing Spear stun. No, actually I do. I'd use Purifying Ritual for the removal of debuffs/dots. And I'd prob use Channeled Focus for further damage mitigation. But, I'm still at a loss what people are getting at about Stam Templars.

Alucardo

Having a load of fun on my Bow and S+B stam sorc. Using bow as primary weapon, but I've got ransack on the S+B for when range isn't an option, or I'm fighting DKs.
But yeah, as Lord FENGRUSH pointed out, Nightblade and magicka sorc are pretty hot right now. Stam DK is creeping in too.

Septimus_Magna

It depends on which class you fight though, some classes/builds have a benefit against others.

Magicka NB can be really strong but a magicka sorc with detect pots will usually wreck them.

Stam NB has some of the best burst and mobility but are easily countered by Piercing Mark or detect pots.

Magicka sorcs have incredible defense against magic dmg but they can run out of stamina if you force them to break-free dodge and block. Or use 5pc Shieldbreaker with a weighted bow.

Stamina sorcs have great mobility but this can be countered with Ambushes, roots and snares. Besides mobility their sustain relies on Crit Surge so if they cant deal crit dmg their sustain is reduced.

Stam DKs have great burst with Dragon Leap but lack mobility so they have limited ways to sustain in open fights.

Magicka DKs lack dmg and mobility, this combination is fatal in the current pvp meta. Some tanky DKs do alright in groups but they wont kill much by themselves.

Personally I dont have any experience with playing a Templar but some stam Templars are hard to fight when they start spamming Jabs and you get semi-perma stunned.

Didgerion

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Top Three Builds for PvP

1. The neighbor's build is always stronger.
2. The other neighbor's build is stronger as well
3. Out of three your build will always be the weakest.

AfkNinja

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stam Templars need a bit of love...

Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out. I've heard over and over that Stam Templars are in a bad spot. But nobody has ever really said why. At least not that I've seen. So enlighten me.

If you haven't seen the million posts by Templar's complaining about bad passives and broken skills you must not have been paying attention. You can review all the problems we have with our class both magic and stamina by reading this thread of bugs/feedback created for ZOS: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread/p1

Zinaroth

1v1 (dueling) Scenario:
Stamina DK
Magicka Sorc
Stamina NB
Magicka NB
Magicka Templar
Stamina Sorc
Stamina Templar
Magicka DK

1vX (open world) Scenario:
Stamina NB
Magicka Sorc
Magicka NB
Stamina DK
Stamina Sorc
Magicka Templar
Stamina Templar
Magicka DK

FENGRUSH

Zinaroth wrote: »

1v1 (dueling) Scenario:
Stamina DK
Magicka Sorc
Stamina NB
Magicka NB
Magicka Templar
Stamina Sorc
Stamina Templar
Magicka DK

1vX (open world) Scenario:
Stamina NB
Magicka Sorc
Magicka NB
Stamina DK
Stamina Sorc
Magicka Templar
Stamina Templar
Magicka DK

Id agree this is a really accurate list and they are definitely 2 different worlds to pull at. Pretty much /threaded it!

LiquidSchwartz

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

1v1 (dueling) Scenario:
Stamina DK
Magicka Sorc
Stamina NB
Magicka NB
Magicka Templar
Stamina Sorc
Stamina Templar
Magicka DK

1vX (open world) Scenario:
Stamina NB
Magicka Sorc
Magicka NB
Stamina DK
Stamina Sorc
Magicka Templar
Stamina Templar
Magicka DK

Id agree this is a really accurate list and they are definitely 2 different worlds to pull at. Pretty much /threaded it!

by stamina DK you guys mean a dk with 2h, correct? not a sword and board tank right?

Brrrofski

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Stamina nb, magicka sorc, stamina dk

Definitely these three.

I have everything except stamplar and magica Dk at vet and PvPed a lot with them all. Those three mentioned are definitely the worst to fight against and the three I do most annihilating on. Mag nb is a close 4th

FENGRUSH

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

1v1 (dueling) Scenario:
Stamina DK
Magicka Sorc
Stamina NB
Magicka NB
Magicka Templar
Stamina Sorc
Stamina Templar
Magicka DK

1vX (open world) Scenario:
Stamina NB
Magicka Sorc
Magicka NB
Stamina DK
Stamina Sorc
Magicka Templar
Stamina Templar
Magicka DK

Id agree this is a really accurate list and they are definitely 2 different worlds to pull at. Pretty much /threaded it!

by stamina DK you guys mean a dk with 2h, correct? not a sword and board tank right?

A DK with S+B will put out the DPS - can use 2 hander to empower before a leap. But S+B is core to what theyre doing.. and core to most. Dual weild comes into play for open world / small group play if you want to go that route at all.

LiquidSchwartz

FENGRUSH wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

1v1 (dueling) Scenario:
Stamina DK
Magicka Sorc
Stamina NB
Magicka NB
Magicka Templar
Stamina Sorc
Stamina Templar
Magicka DK

1vX (open world) Scenario:
Stamina NB
Magicka Sorc
Magicka NB
Stamina DK
Stamina Sorc
Magicka Templar
Stamina Templar
Magicka DK

Id agree this is a really accurate list and they are definitely 2 different worlds to pull at. Pretty much /threaded it!

by stamina DK you guys mean a dk with 2h, correct? not a sword and board tank right?

A DK with S+B will put out the DPS - can use 2 hander to empower before a leap. But S+B is core to what theyre doing.. and core to most. Dual weild comes into play for open world / small group play if you want to go that route at all.

ok ty i thought using 2h was better than dual wield

bardx86

I think the magickas still do really well on scaled ults and burst from det - but if they do fix det, things would swing more in that respect. Hopefully det is fixed more appropriately. Wouldnt mind seeing vigor knocked the hell back from being a nonstop running heal as well for every stam player in the game.[/quote]


Agreed!

mr_wazzabi

Lucky28 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Huh? What about Stam sorc? Isn't that what you, king Richard, and methuselah, and other popular players play? Why would you omit one of the most op builds out there? All you guys do is bolt, wb, bolt, wb, bolt, wb. Lol your so biased it hurts. I watch your stream. All you do is rage about nb ambush because it's the only class combo that can actually stop your wb bolt nonsense.

Stam sorc is not op. Stam is just better than Magicka because CP favors Magic defense over Physical defense.

.....And Vigor.

They could add 100% physical resist to CP tree and it wont impact magicka sorcs because theyre running shields. This is more relevant for other magicka users like templars, NB, and DK... magicka sorcs - not really.

Stam sorcs pro over magicka sorc is their stam pool for dealing with CCs and their mobility. Their mobility is destroyed by gap closer bugs though this patch. But that goes for everyone - it was just a leading strength of stam sorc.

Magicka sorc will still trump a stam sorc 1 on 1.

Well, no. what i meant was Stamina hits harder than Magicka. That's not to say Magicka loses in all aspects over Stamina, Magicka at least does not have Dodge roll, Break free and offense tied to one resource pool.

I think the magickas still do really well on scaled ults and burst from det - but if they do fix det, things would swing more in that respect. Hopefully det is fixed more appropriately. Wouldnt mind seeing vigor knocked the hell back from being a nonstop running heal as well for every stam player in the game.

I think det is for the most part as good as it's gonna get so long as AOE caps remain in place nerfing the damage on it single target or aoe is gonna do more harm than good to the skill. They need to look at what caused this Zerg ball meta we currently find ourselves in and fix that rather than start nerfing skills, that's not gonna fix the actual issue.

I think anyways.

Solution... collision detection. Players can no longer stack 20 players in the space of 5. This forces large groups to spread out like real armies do in the battlefield. It also allows for small groups of players in strategic positions to beat larger groups of enemies, like the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae or the Elves and Rohanians at Helms deep.

maxjapank

AfkNinja wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stam Templars need a bit of love...

Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out. I've heard over and over that Stam Templars are in a bad spot. But nobody has ever really said why. At least not that I've seen. So enlighten me.

If you haven't seen the million posts by Templar's complaining about bad passives and broken skills you must not have been paying attention. You can review all the problems we have with our class both magic and stamina by reading this thread of bugs/feedback created for ZOS: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread/p1

On the contrary, I have. But that is an overall problem with Templars, not just Stamina Templars. So every time someone says that Magicka Templars are in a good place, but Stamina Templars need some love...I find this assertion to be unsupported by fact. The fact is that Both need love.

Zinaroth

maxjapank wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stam Templars need a bit of love...

Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out. I've heard over and over that Stam Templars are in a bad spot. But nobody has ever really said why. At least not that I've seen. So enlighten me.

If you haven't seen the million posts by Templar's complaining about bad passives and broken skills you must not have been paying attention. You can review all the problems we have with our class both magic and stamina by reading this thread of bugs/feedback created for ZOS: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread/p1

On the contrary, I have. But that is an overall problem with Templars, not just Stamina Templars. So every time someone says that Magicka Templars are in a good place, but Stamina Templars need some love...I find this assertion to be unsupported by fact. The fact is that Both need love.

The fact is that Stamina Templar have an entire tree and passives not doing anything for them at all, atleast they benefit Magicka Templars.
The fact is that for survivability a Magicka Templar relies heavily on spamming self healing, a Stamina Templar doesn't benefit from increased self healing.
These two facts are what seperates the Stamina Templars from the Magicak Templars and make them an even shittier shade of bad.
Atleast DKs have the option to go Stamina and be pretty boss, as a Templar you're pretty much *** unless you join a zerg or an organized small group and act as a heal bot.

maxjapank

Zinaroth wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stam Templars need a bit of love...

Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out. I've heard over and over that Stam Templars are in a bad spot. But nobody has ever really said why. At least not that I've seen. So enlighten me.

If you haven't seen the million posts by Templar's complaining about bad passives and broken skills you must not have been paying attention. You can review all the problems we have with our class both magic and stamina by reading this thread of bugs/feedback created for ZOS: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread/p1

On the contrary, I have. But that is an overall problem with Templars, not just Stamina Templars. So every time someone says that Magicka Templars are in a good place, but Stamina Templars need some love...I find this assertion to be unsupported by fact. The fact is that Both need love.

The fact is that Stamina Templar have an entire tree and passives not doing anything for them at all, atleast they benefit Magicka Templars.
The fact is that for survivability a Magicka Templar relies heavily on spamming self healing, a Stamina Templar doesn't benefit from increased self healing.
These two facts are what seperates the Stamina Templars from the Magicak Templars and make them an even shittier shade of bad.
Atleast DKs have the option to go Stamina and be pretty boss, as a Templar you're pretty much *** unless you join a zerg or an organized small group and act as a heal bot.

Which tree with which passives? I'm asking for specifics. Because I hear players say Stam Temps need help. But they aren't saying exactly why. So everyone assumes that they are in a bad place without knowing anything. Aedric Spear has passives beneficial to Stam Temps. Dawn's Wrath is lacking, but it's lacking for Magicka Templars as well. Restoring Light passives are mostly beneficial to healing Templars, but there are skills there for a Stam Temp to use.

As for a lack of Stamina morphs in the Templar trees, there are. But Stamina builds can use 4 different weapon types where every skill is stamina based. Magicka Templars can use 2. And as the Destro staff is elemental damage, it really doesn't help Magicka Templars very much.

You are right that Magicka Templars have strong heals. But Survivability isn't just from heals. It is from damage mitigation which a Stamina Templar gets just from Medium Armor.

Before IC came out, there were some really hard hitting Stamina Templars. So what's changed from then to now? Were Stamina Templars only doing well because of bugged armor pen from duel wield maces?

Zinaroth

maxjapank wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stam Templars need a bit of love...

Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out. I've heard over and over that Stam Templars are in a bad spot. But nobody has ever really said why. At least not that I've seen. So enlighten me.

If you haven't seen the million posts by Templar's complaining about bad passives and broken skills you must not have been paying attention. You can review all the problems we have with our class both magic and stamina by reading this thread of bugs/feedback created for ZOS: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread/p1

On the contrary, I have. But that is an overall problem with Templars, not just Stamina Templars. So every time someone says that Magicka Templars are in a good place, but Stamina Templars need some love...I find this assertion to be unsupported by fact. The fact is that Both need love.

The fact is that Stamina Templar have an entire tree and passives not doing anything for them at all, atleast they benefit Magicka Templars.
The fact is that for survivability a Magicka Templar relies heavily on spamming self healing, a Stamina Templar doesn't benefit from increased self healing.
These two facts are what seperates the Stamina Templars from the Magicak Templars and make them an even shittier shade of bad.
Atleast DKs have the option to go Stamina and be pretty boss, as a Templar you're pretty much *** unless you join a zerg or an organized small group and act as a heal bot.

Which tree with which passives? I'm asking for specifics. Because I hear players say Stam Temps need help. But they aren't saying exactly why. So everyone assumes that they are in a bad place without knowing anything. Aedric Spear has passives beneficial to Stam Temps. Dawn's Wrath is lacking, but it's lacking for Magicka Templars as well. Restoring Light passives are mostly beneficial to healing Templars, but there are skills there for a Stam Temp to use.

As for a lack of Stamina morphs in the Templar trees, there are. But Stamina builds can use 4 different weapon types where every skill is stamina based. Magicka Templars can use 2. And as the Destro staff is elemental damage, it really doesn't help Magicka Templars very much.

You are right that Magicka Templars have strong heals. But Survivability isn't just from heals. It is from damage mitigation which a Stamina Templar gets just from Medium Armor.

Before IC came out, there were some really hard hitting Stamina Templars. So what's changed from then to now? Were Stamina Templars only doing well because of bugged armor pen from duel wield maces?

Short version:
None of the Restoring Light passives benefit a Stamplar in any way that matters.
Stamplars make use of two class abilities in PvP: Biting Jabs and Purifying Light.
Rune Focus is useless unless you feel like (or have time) weapon swapping and casting it every 8 seconds.
Repentance is useless in PvP, not enough bodies.

The damage mitigation difference from light to medium armor is almost non existant. It's 5k physical and almost no magical. Templar survivability comes from heals, they don't have as much passive survivbility ad the other classes. They have to spam heals. You could also say Templars have a smaller effective health pool and rely more on refilling their health than maintaining a high effective health pool through buffs and other passives. The problem herr is that Stamplars lose that option of self healing but gain almost nothing in return in terms of defensiveness.

I am on a cell phone atm but if you really need me to I will run through a comparison of all classes when it comes to passives only, and maybe then you will start to realize how gimped Stamplars are atm.

maxjapank

Zinaroth wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stam Templars need a bit of love...

Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out. I've heard over and over that Stam Templars are in a bad spot. But nobody has ever really said why. At least not that I've seen. So enlighten me.

If you haven't seen the million posts by Templar's complaining about bad passives and broken skills you must not have been paying attention. You can review all the problems we have with our class both magic and stamina by reading this thread of bugs/feedback created for ZOS: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread/p1

On the contrary, I have. But that is an overall problem with Templars, not just Stamina Templars. So every time someone says that Magicka Templars are in a good place, but Stamina Templars need some love...I find this assertion to be unsupported by fact. The fact is that Both need love.

The fact is that Stamina Templar have an entire tree and passives not doing anything for them at all, atleast they benefit Magicka Templars.
The fact is that for survivability a Magicka Templar relies heavily on spamming self healing, a Stamina Templar doesn't benefit from increased self healing.
These two facts are what seperates the Stamina Templars from the Magicak Templars and make them an even shittier shade of bad.
Atleast DKs have the option to go Stamina and be pretty boss, as a Templar you're pretty much *** unless you join a zerg or an organized small group and act as a heal bot.

Which tree with which passives? I'm asking for specifics. Because I hear players say Stam Temps need help. But they aren't saying exactly why. So everyone assumes that they are in a bad place without knowing anything. Aedric Spear has passives beneficial to Stam Temps. Dawn's Wrath is lacking, but it's lacking for Magicka Templars as well. Restoring Light passives are mostly beneficial to healing Templars, but there are skills there for a Stam Temp to use.

As for a lack of Stamina morphs in the Templar trees, there are. But Stamina builds can use 4 different weapon types where every skill is stamina based. Magicka Templars can use 2. And as the Destro staff is elemental damage, it really doesn't help Magicka Templars very much.

You are right that Magicka Templars have strong heals. But Survivability isn't just from heals. It is from damage mitigation which a Stamina Templar gets just from Medium Armor.

Before IC came out, there were some really hard hitting Stamina Templars. So what's changed from then to now? Were Stamina Templars only doing well because of bugged armor pen from duel wield maces?

Short version:
None of the Restoring Light passives benefit a Stamplar in any way that matters.
Stamplars make use of two class abilities in PvP: Biting Jabs and Purifying Light.
Rune Focus is useless unless you feel like (or have time) weapon swapping and casting it every 8 seconds.
Repentance is useless in PvP, not enough bodies.

The damage mitigation difference from light to medium armor is almost non existant. It's 5k physical and almost no magical. Templar survivability comes from heals, they don't have as much passive survivbility ad the other classes. They have to spam heals. You could also say Templars have a smaller effective health pool and rely more on refilling their health than maintaining a high effective health pool through buffs and other passives. The problem herr is that Stamplars lose that option of self healing but gain almost nothing in return in terms of defensiveness.

I am on a cell phone atm but if you really need me to I will run through a comparison of all classes when it comes to passives only, and maybe then you will start to realize how gimped Stamplars are atm.

Thank you for a more concise answer. I'm gonna leave this thread because further discussion of Templars was not the OPs intention. However, there is a thread going on in Players Helping Players titled "Why do people play stam templars?" which offers a better answer to how to play a Stam Templar. If you're interested.

I understand about the Restoring Light passives not being so beneficial to Stam Templars, but they are lacking somewhat for Magicka Templars as well. And I think you underestimate the power of Purifying Ritual, Rune Focus, and Repetence for Stam Templars. They are all very beneficial, very cheap resource wise, and offer a Magicka dump. Lots of bodies in pvp for Reptence, too. Your comment in particular about Rune Foucus being 8 seconds is not something that only effects Stam Templars. It effects Magicka Templars as well. But nonetheless, it is a powerful boost in spell and physical resistance at a cheap cost. And everytime you run across it, it resets the timer on the 8 seconds. I use it all the time on my Magicka Templar for mostly the armor boost. Medium armor also boosts physcial and spell resistance. It boosts resistances equally.

You talk about Templars spamming heals for survivability. And this is very true for Magicka Templars. At times, it is the only thing I can do to stay alive because light armor offers so little physical damage reduction. Now I can boost physcial reduction through Sword and Board, Rune Focus, and gear sets. But light armor wearers in general are having a hard time against the boosts Stamina players get from Weapon dmg and CP points giving Stam players ways to resist Magicka damage while not offering ways to Magicka players to reduce physical damage. So there are a lot of pluses to play a Stamina class right now, even Stam Templars.

I do think Stam Templars could use more Stamina morphs in the Templar trees. Nightblades were designed well for both Magicka choices and Stam choices. However, Stamina players have 4 weapon sets as compared to two for Magicka users. And there are ways to heal, with Rally, Vigor, Absorb Magic (Defensive Posture), and even Honor the Dead for its cheap Magicka cost.

I'll just leave it here that I believe Templars need some love. And perhaps Stam Templars need a little more love. But the blanket statements that people make about Stam Templars being s*** as compared to Magicka Templars are a bit unfounded.

Anyways...I'm sure many with disagree with me. And I really should quit talking about Templars in this thread so I will stop. But thank you for replying and giving me your thoughts..Cheers.

Ashamray

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Tankqull

Lucky28 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Huh? What about Stam sorc? Isn't that what you, king Richard, and methuselah, and other popular players play? Why would you omit one of the most op builds out there? All you guys do is bolt, wb, bolt, wb, bolt, wb. Lol your so biased it hurts. I watch your stream. All you do is rage about nb ambush because it's the only class combo that can actually stop your wb bolt nonsense.

Stam sorc is not op. Stam is just better than Magicka because CP favors Magic defense over Physical defense.

.....And Vigor.

They could add 100% physical resist to CP tree and it wont impact magicka sorcs because theyre running shields. This is more relevant for other magicka users like templars, NB, and DK... magicka sorcs - not really.

Stam sorcs pro over magicka sorc is their stam pool for dealing with CCs and their mobility. Their mobility is destroyed by gap closer bugs though this patch. But that goes for everyone - it was just a leading strength of stam sorc.

Magicka sorc will still trump a stam sorc 1 on 1.

Well, no. what i meant was Stamina hits harder than Magicka. That's not to say Magicka loses in all aspects over Stamina, Magicka at least does not have Dodge roll, Break free and offense tied to one resource pool.

its funny for magica useres its a perk to have defense, offense and utility bound to one resource but for stamina its a bad situation to be in the same boat :P