Top Three Builds for PvP?

LiquidSchwartz

I wanna make some new toons to try out some stuff for PvP since my Tank and healer are getting boring.
is it safe to say stam sorcs, regular sorcs w a resto/desto, and stamplars are the top 3 right now in pvp?

FENGRUSH

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Moglijuana

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

This^^...Still going to play my Magicka DK though

Zohr

ALL HAIL MAGICKA DK!

Waffennacht

Id say stam NB, magicka sorc, and then the counter build stam/mag DK i think its stam. It's the whole, flappy wings, + wrecking blow + dragon leap build.

And in that order

P.S. then mag NB, why not top three? Because many builds can run annulment + healing ward (other ward) and mag NB has very little options to get through such high wards.
Of course everything is dependent on the player.

LadyNalcarya

Stamina nb, magicka sorc, stamina dk

LegacyDM

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Huh? What about Stam sorc? Isn't that what you, king Richard, and methuselah, and other popular players play? Why would you omit one of the most op builds out there? All you guys do is bolt, wb, bolt, wb, bolt, wb. Lol your so biased it hurts. I watch your stream. All you do is rage about nb ambush because it's the only class combo that can actually stop your wb bolt nonsense.

Callidus_Est

If I could do 4, it would be Stamina and Magicka NB, Magicka Sorc, and S&B Stam DK.

FENGRUSH

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Huh? What about Stam sorc? Isn't that what you, king Richard, and methuselah, and other popular players play? Why would you omit one of the most op builds out there? All you guys do is bolt, wb, bolt, wb, bolt, wb. Lol your so biased it hurts. I watch your stream. All you do is rage about nb ambush because it's the only class combo that can actually stop your wb bolt nonsense.

Its what I play because all I have is a sorc - and I stopped playing magicka when nobody played stam sorc... so yea, I play a stam sorc.

NB ambush is effective against all classes bro - not just mine. All gap closers kill mobility in their current state, and stam sorcs biggest strength is mobility. So yea.. its pretty tough.

Youve pretty much said the same exact thing in another thread though and didnt really hit the issue. Do you find bolt and WB imbalanced or something? Youre pretty much missing out the core follow up to bolt by the way - its crit rush. Tell me why stam sorc is so OP, other than the fact that I play it and kill many people with it. More specifically, why its better than any of the 3 I listed, or stam DK - which is arguably in the top 3 as well.


EDIT:

I went to get some perspective on who you are since you want to repeat the same thing to me in different threads.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I thought 1.7 was suppose to balance pvp damage. I thought everyone's damage was reduced. Why are people still bonking me on the head with an animation canceled wrecking blow for 10k while in combat. Yesterday, no kidding, the guy hit me in mid air halfway through my ambush. As I lept forward his wb took precedence over my ambush. This skill has got to be the cheesest skill in the game.

Looks like you play a NB - so naturally you dont want to see me in here telling how busted NBs can be - and naturally, you dislike WB. For starters, on this above post - if you got hit by a WB while ambushing, its because you were doing something else before that ambush to allow you to get to that point. You could ambush, surprise attack, and light attack, and either roll or hide before that WB went off. That is actually a thing you can do. And if you want video of it, Id be happy to provide countless amounts of highlights.

Can you be WB while spamming ambush on somebody? Yes you can - as long as they face the appropriate direction on you, you will be knocked up at some point while pounding ambush. NB has the easiest time over any other class dealing with WB. I literally tell my viewers dont try to use WB on a decent NB, its a waste of your time. Sorry for nailing home the truth for you bud - happy to go back and forth if youd like. Or you can duck the issue like you did last time you gave me this same reply.

Totalitarian

Nightblades of Magicka or Stamina are considered good.

Sorcerers of Magicka or Stamina are considered good.

Stamina Dragonknights are considered really strong once they close the gap, but Magicka Dragonknights are considered a bit gimped in PVP.

Stamplars are also considered a bit weak. Also, Magicka Templars are a bit weak, but they are good healers, so that's good for AP generation.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Anything Night Blade or magical Sorcerer.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Totalitarian wrote: »

Nightblades of Magicka or Stamina are considered good.

Sorcerers of Magicka or Stamina are considered good.

Stamina Dragonknights are considered really strong once they close the gap, but Magicka Dragonknights are considered a bit gimped in PVP.

Stamplars are also considered a bit weak. Also, Magicka Templars are a bit weak, but they are good healers, so that's good for AP generation.

^^this

FENGRUSH

Totalitarian wrote: »

Nightblades of Magicka or Stamina are considered good.

Sorcerers of Magicka or Stamina are considered good.

Stamina Dragonknights are considered really strong once they close the gap, but Magicka Dragonknights are considered a bit gimped in PVP.

Stamplars are also considered a bit weak. Also, Magicka Templars are a bit weak, but they are good healers, so that's good for AP generation.

Magicka templars arent really that weak (primarily because of det) - they just dont have someone hand holding them into how to be effective offensively. I think det used correctly makes every magicka class pretty well off .. minus magicka DK I guess, they seem to be in the real struggle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egdClaqJ63g

eliisra

Magicka + stamina NB for IC.

Stamina NB, Stamina DK or Magicka sorc for Cyrodiil.

Magicka NB's get's kinda screwed in large scale fights right now, to much Bombard spam, snares, knocks, gap close spam and soft/hard cc, detect pots, preventing cloak attempts. They're good in small scale or 1v1, but when outnumbered or zergy(like most of the time in Cyrodiil), stamina NB is much easier to play since dodging + constant speedy buff is the only way you're gonna be able to move even a fricken inch forward or get cloak of

Lucky28

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Huh? What about Stam sorc? Isn't that what you, king Richard, and methuselah, and other popular players play? Why would you omit one of the most op builds out there? All you guys do is bolt, wb, bolt, wb, bolt, wb. Lol your so biased it hurts. I watch your stream. All you do is rage about nb ambush because it's the only class combo that can actually stop your wb bolt nonsense.

Stam sorc is not op. Stam is just better than Magicka because CP favors Magic defense over Physical defense.

.....And Vigor.

oh yeah, Steel tonado also has a much larger radius than Impulse

Frankly the only thing Magicka Sorc has going for it is overload and Shields. I mean, i play Magicka sorc and love it, but i'm just being honest here.

Reverb

1) DW magicka NB
2) DW magicka sorc
3) 2h+DW Stam NB

FENGRUSH

Lucky28 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Huh? What about Stam sorc? Isn't that what you, king Richard, and methuselah, and other popular players play? Why would you omit one of the most op builds out there? All you guys do is bolt, wb, bolt, wb, bolt, wb. Lol your so biased it hurts. I watch your stream. All you do is rage about nb ambush because it's the only class combo that can actually stop your wb bolt nonsense.

Stam sorc is not op. Stam is just better than Magicka because CP favors Magic defense over Physical defense.

.....And Vigor.

They could add 100% physical resist to CP tree and it wont impact magicka sorcs because theyre running shields. This is more relevant for other magicka users like templars, NB, and DK... magicka sorcs - not really.

Stam sorcs pro over magicka sorc is their stam pool for dealing with CCs and their mobility. Their mobility is destroyed by gap closer bugs though this patch. But that goes for everyone - it was just a leading strength of stam sorc.

Magicka sorc will still trump a stam sorc 1 on 1.

Lucky28

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Huh? What about Stam sorc? Isn't that what you, king Richard, and methuselah, and other popular players play? Why would you omit one of the most op builds out there? All you guys do is bolt, wb, bolt, wb, bolt, wb. Lol your so biased it hurts. I watch your stream. All you do is rage about nb ambush because it's the only class combo that can actually stop your wb bolt nonsense.

Stam sorc is not op. Stam is just better than Magicka because CP favors Magic defense over Physical defense.

.....And Vigor.

They could add 100% physical resist to CP tree and it wont impact magicka sorcs because theyre running shields. This is more relevant for other magicka users like templars, NB, and DK... magicka sorcs - not really.

Stam sorcs pro over magicka sorc is their stam pool for dealing with CCs and their mobility. Their mobility is destroyed by gap closer bugs though this patch. But that goes for everyone - it was just a leading strength of stam sorc.

Magicka sorc will still trump a stam sorc 1 on 1.

Well, no. what i meant was Stamina hits harder than Magicka. That's not to say Magicka loses in all aspects over Stamina, Magicka at least does not have Dodge roll, Break free and offense tied to one resource pool.

FENGRUSH

Lucky28 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Huh? What about Stam sorc? Isn't that what you, king Richard, and methuselah, and other popular players play? Why would you omit one of the most op builds out there? All you guys do is bolt, wb, bolt, wb, bolt, wb. Lol your so biased it hurts. I watch your stream. All you do is rage about nb ambush because it's the only class combo that can actually stop your wb bolt nonsense.

Stam sorc is not op. Stam is just better than Magicka because CP favors Magic defense over Physical defense.

.....And Vigor.

They could add 100% physical resist to CP tree and it wont impact magicka sorcs because theyre running shields. This is more relevant for other magicka users like templars, NB, and DK... magicka sorcs - not really.

Stam sorcs pro over magicka sorc is their stam pool for dealing with CCs and their mobility. Their mobility is destroyed by gap closer bugs though this patch. But that goes for everyone - it was just a leading strength of stam sorc.

Magicka sorc will still trump a stam sorc 1 on 1.

Well, no. what i meant was Stamina hits harder than Magicka. That's not to say Magicka loses in all aspects over Stamina, Magicka at least does not have Dodge roll, Break free and offense tied to one resource pool.

I think the magickas still do really well on scaled ults and burst from det - but if they do fix det, things would swing more in that respect. Hopefully det is fixed more appropriately. Wouldnt mind seeing vigor knocked the hell back from being a nonstop running heal as well for every stam player in the game.

Joy_Division

Magicka sorc is so good even an average player can be very effective with it.

Stamina NB in the hands of a good and experienced player is probably the strongest spec atm. However, they are not easy to play and an average player will get killed a lot on this spec.

I'd say stamina DK is third over a magicka NB because harness magicka and the champion system hurts the latter noticeably more than the stam DK.

Stam sorcs and magicka templars are not quite in this tier but have enough of a toolkit to be played very well and compete in most matchups.

Stam Templars need a bit of love and magicka DKs are a train-wreck.

SneaK

Tied for 1st (IMO) - Mag Sorc and Stam DK

There are very few counters to both of these builds. They are both extremely hard to burst down and have access to great CC/Immobilize abilities. Those two are top tier for me.

3rd - StamNB

The tool sets stamblades have are just deadly, fun class with a lot of options. What puts them in the top 3 though is the fact that if they fail in their burst, they can still get away via cloak/rapids/roll/etc. and try again until successful

Runner Up - MagNB

Reason this is behind StamNB is that they can't evade through AOE/Caltrops like StamNB, and their spammable DPS doesn't hit as hard. Also, relies on proxy for burst, when they nerf that RIP melee magNB.

Vynist

-magicka sorc
-stam NB
-stam DK

revonine

Pick your poison, which is worse oh crap my opponent cloaked away, or oh crap my opponent just melted me in 2 seconds and I couldn't even get through his ward?
MagSorcs are in the clouds above top tier but I would regard stamblades as a very close second. Sorcs and stamblades are everywhere on my platform and it's because of ease of use.

I would regard stamDK higher up that alot of people are placing them though, even above magblade. That ultimate is just too good. Every small group wants a stamDK because of it and their dueling builds are sick.

strikeback1247

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka NB, stam NB, and magicka sorc

Huh? What about Stam sorc? Isn't that what you, king Richard, and methuselah, and other popular players play? Why would you omit one of the most op builds out there? All you guys do is bolt, wb, bolt, wb, bolt, wb. Lol your so biased it hurts. I watch your stream. All you do is rage about nb ambush because it's the only class combo that can actually stop your wb bolt nonsense.

Oh oh, I can taste the bitterness and glorious salty tears in this comment. Looks like someone got too many wrecking blows to the face.

aLi3nZ

Sword and board Stam nb with 2h or dual weild on second bar is a very strong overall build. frags, destro, webs etc all reflected. Pop proximity det and ambush/stun and boom enemy is dead. Obviously I missed some skills out because I am not familiar with any class except sourcer but from what I've seen this nb build is very strong.

Otherwise, high level sourc using frags, Detonation, curse/entropy, mage's wrath burst combo with duel weild for extra spell damage and destro or restro for second bar is also extremely strong.

acw37162

Huh? I love my stamplar but they are not a top 3 PVP build.

NB both varieties
Magica Sorc
Stam DK

Of course you could stop at NB in PVP if it's not over 50% of the population I'd loose all kinds of money prob closer to 60%.

a1i3nz

To the people reading this and getting bummed out about no mention of magicka Templar, it's totally viable but not in the top 3 if we're going by raw power.
My Templar currently sits at 3000 unbuffed spell damage with 38% crit (not something I aim for). Buffed at 3700.
Method 1 - Get entropy going on your target, dot them with reflective light, toppling charge in and spear spam them to death or finish with Jesus beam.
Method 2, ranged DPS. - Start same with entropy, dot reflective light, then chuck a javelin to knock them back while casting 1 or 2 dark flares. Finish with Jesus beam. Works great against pesky sorcs.
I should add that I run dual wield and resto staff. Buffs are shield ally, harness magicka, and channeled focus.
If facing a nightblade I like to use spear shards sometimes instead of javelin.
Magicka Templar is absolutely viable it's all about how YOU play it.
Good luck!
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DannyLV702

Am I the only one who thinks stam DKs are the toughest mofos out there??

kit_sune

The top three are the ones I don't use

lol jk

I'm terrible

but I'd say

1)stam nb
2) magicka nb
3)stam/magicka sorc

or at least these are the builds most people run(that I've seen)

maxjapank

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stam Templars need a bit of love...

Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out. I've heard over and over that Stam Templars are in a bad spot. But nobody has ever really said why. At least not that I've seen. So enlighten me.

Johngo0036

@FENGRUSH - LOL!!! I hate using WB as it takes soooo damn long to actually hit....

Prefer my spambush/Surprize attack combo.... and yes on streaking sorc i SPAMBUSH and proud of it...

Any class can be op in Cyrodiil if played correctly...

Yes Magicka DK's are on the shortend of the stick but i have still seen and fought some in the current game that are tough as nails and survive incredibly long.. i have met some that hit like trucks.....

YES GDB is bust and needs to be revisited....