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Thelon - Magicka Sorc PvP (Epic Dark Brotherhood Finale)
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Doesn't matter if it's working as intended or not. Matters if it's balanced.There's no shame in using any working as intended ability. Except Radiant Destruction.
But seriously, every at least decent ability has its detractors. I think the most ridiculous complaint is when someone complains about how they were legitmately killed.
Imbalance exists because game designers are flawed. Don't assume that their intent is perfect.
There are many contentious abilities. Who is the arbiter of balance? It is not a fact Overload is OP. It's an opinion. I might even agree with you, but what does that matter? I don't think that alone is enough to discourage/disparage its use.
Unlike Malubeth, which ZOS has recognized as broken, making it a fact.0 -
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✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »@Thelon Dude... Thats awesome ! That running tho
Any tips on playing the Overload Sorc? I just finished farming my Elegance set and was thinking about going Seducer + Elegance + Kena + Blood Spawn. How do you think that would work out? And also when you need an emergency heal when in Overload, what do you do ?
I hope you feel really skillful with that Overload bud.
Says the Malubeth user
I don't use Malubeth?..
You seemed a little upset by the impending Nerf.
I'd also point out that he didn't even use surge in the video posted.
The set was balanced, even borderline underpowered compared to other Undaunted sets, before bugs. A nerf is completely unnecessary and irrational assuming all bugs are fixed and the set is brought in line with its tooltip. Any objective person can see this.
But if you conclude that I use Malubeth because I object to a nerf following bug fixes, then you are not objective or rational. I used it in a niche self-heal-tanking build prior to it becoming bugged, and I stopped using it promptly after I learned of them.
And I see him using Surge... You confuse me.
Sorry, I meant overload!
Malubeth needs a cooldown on the proc to be balanced IMO, just like the bloodspawn set. It's too much to proc every second or two.0 -
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Doesn't matter if it's working as intended or not. Matters if it's balanced.There's no shame in using any working as intended ability. Except Radiant Destruction.
But seriously, every at least decent ability has its detractors. I think the most ridiculous complaint is when someone complains about how they were legitmately killed.
Imbalance exists because game designers are flawed. Don't assume that their intent is perfect.
There are many contentious abilities. Who is the arbiter of balance? It is not a fact Overload is OP. It's an opinion. I might even agree with you, but what does that matter? I don't think that alone is enough to discourage/disparage its use.
Unlike Malubeth, which ZOS has recognized as broken, making it a fact.
And that is why designers are flawed and forum debates occur. Good job. You stated the obvious.
It is my opinion that 12k+ light attacks are not balanced. I'm pretty sure Overload can get way above that in PvP these days, but this is the last one I remember seeing. I don't pay attention to how hard I get 2 shot by Overload when I'm scurrying defensively to react to it.Edited by KenaPKK on August 1, 2016 8:02AMKena
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Doesn't matter if it's working as intended or not. Matters if it's balanced.There's no shame in using any working as intended ability. Except Radiant Destruction.
But seriously, every at least decent ability has its detractors. I think the most ridiculous complaint is when someone complains about how they were legitmately killed.
Imbalance exists because game designers are flawed. Don't assume that their intent is perfect.
There are many contentious abilities. Who is the arbiter of balance? It is not a fact Overload is OP. It's an opinion. I might even agree with you, but what does that matter? I don't think that alone is enough to discourage/disparage its use.
Unlike Malubeth, which ZOS has recognized as broken, making it a fact.
And that is why designers are flawed and forum debates occur. Good job. You stated the obvious.
It is my opinion that 12k+ light attacks are not balanced. I'm pretty sure Overload can get way above that in PvP these days, but this is the last one I remember seeing. I don't pay attention to how hard I get 2 shot by Overload when I'm scurrying defensively to react to it.
And to some other dude, Fear is imbalanced. Should every NB now stop using it? Shall we call out its use in every video thread?
Meanwhile you're patting friends on the back when they're using Malubeth and playing with German.
Thelon is a good guy. Maybe his playstyle isn't your cup of tea, but that's your problem. He doesn't deserve crap in his thread.2 -
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@KenaPKKIt is my opinion that 12k+ light attacks are not balanced. I'm pretty sure Overload can get way above that in PvP these days, but this is the last one I remember seeing.
meh, I'm not using OL much since the shield duration nerf, but you can definitely smack people for more than 12k, especially if you've got that Elegant set on
it's a fun playstyle but with the amount of counters / drawbacks its pretty balanced imo.
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@KenaPKKIt is my opinion that 12k+ light attacks are not balanced. I'm pretty sure Overload can get way above that in PvP these days, but this is the last one I remember seeing.
meh, I'm not using OL much since the shield duration nerf, but you can definitely smack people for more than 12k, especially if you've got that Elegant set on it's a fun playstyle but with the amount of counters / drawbacks its pretty balanced imo.
It's poor design in my opinion. It's easy to use, extremely punishing when it works, too hard countered by roll dodge and reflect, and too lacking counters besides those. I don't mean to be snide, but I honestly don't see how you find it fun unless you just enjoy pug stomping.Kena
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Doesn't matter if it's working as intended or not. Matters if it's balanced.There's no shame in using any working as intended ability. Except Radiant Destruction.
But seriously, every at least decent ability has its detractors. I think the most ridiculous complaint is when someone complains about how they were legitmately killed.
Imbalance exists because game designers are flawed. Don't assume that their intent is perfect.
There are many contentious abilities. Who is the arbiter of balance? It is not a fact Overload is OP. It's an opinion. I might even agree with you, but what does that matter? I don't think that alone is enough to discourage/disparage its use.
Unlike Malubeth, which ZOS has recognized as broken, making it a fact.
And that is why designers are flawed and forum debates occur. Good job. You stated the obvious.
It is my opinion that 12k+ light attacks are not balanced. I'm pretty sure Overload can get way above that in PvP these days, but this is the last one I remember seeing. I don't pay attention to how hard I get 2 shot by Overload when I'm scurrying defensively to react to it.
And to some other dude, Fear is imbalanced. Should every NB now stop using it? Shall we call out its use in every video thread?
Meanwhile you're patting friends on the back when they're using Malubeth and playing with German.
Thelon is a good guy. Maybe his playstyle isn't your cup of tea, but that's your problem. He doesn't deserve crap in his thread.
I'm not giving him crap. I've not patted anyone on the back for using Malubeth. And I'm in favor of removing the snare and maim from fear if the AoE maim is relocated to another ability. I've stated that before. The cc portion is 100% balanced, though. Cc break has some bugs, but they present themselves more often on other abilities such as dizzying swing and invasion anyway.
You're grasping at straws so desperately just to pick a fight with me. Just stop dude.Edited by KenaPKK on August 1, 2016 7:46PMKena
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That's exactly what you're doing by calling out the use of Overload by writing in the video thread of an Overload Sorc, "I hope you feel really skillful with that Overload bud."I'm not giving him crap. I've not patted anyone on the back for using Malubeth. And I'm in favor of removing the snare and maim from fear if the AoE maim is relocated to another ability. I've stated that before. The cc portion is 100% balanced, though. Cc break has some bugs, but they present themselves more often on other abilities such as dizzying swing and invasion anyway.
You have missed my point about Fear entirely.0 -
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✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »@Thelon Dude... Thats awesome ! That running tho
Any tips on playing the Overload Sorc? I just finished farming my Elegance set and was thinking about going Seducer + Elegance + Kena + Blood Spawn. How do you think that would work out? And also when you need an emergency heal when in Overload, what do you do ?
I hope you feel really skillful with that Overload bud.
Overload actually takes a lot of skill to use correctly. Moving in and out of overload smoothly, dealing with a GCD on your light attack, actually hitting someone good with it, all takes practice and strategy. It's still buggy as hell getting in and out over overload.
Edited by Xeven on August 1, 2016 8:27PM1 -
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Doesn't matter if it's working as intended or not. Matters if it's balanced.There's no shame in using any working as intended ability. Except Radiant Destruction.
But seriously, every at least decent ability has its detractors. I think the most ridiculous complaint is when someone complains about how they were legitmately killed.
Imbalance exists because game designers are flawed. Don't assume that their intent is perfect.
There are many contentious abilities. Who is the arbiter of balance? It is not a fact Overload is OP. It's an opinion. I might even agree with you, but what does that matter? I don't think that alone is enough to discourage/disparage its use.
Unlike Malubeth, which ZOS has recognized as broken, making it a fact.
And that is why designers are flawed and forum debates occur. Good job. You stated the obvious.
It is my opinion that 12k+ light attacks are not balanced. I'm pretty sure Overload can get way above that in PvP these days, but this is the last one I remember seeing. I don't pay attention to how hard I get 2 shot by Overload when I'm scurrying defensively to react to it.
And to some other dude, Fear is imbalanced. Should every NB now stop using it? Shall we call out its use in every video thread?
Meanwhile you're patting friends on the back when they're using Malubeth and playing with German.
Thelon is a good guy. Maybe his playstyle isn't your cup of tea, but that's your problem. He doesn't deserve crap in his thread.
Fear is bugged, there's a difference. If you could always reliably break it, and it respected immovable like it should then it would be fine.
As it is, it works like this:
*fear starts, character flips out* <cc break>
Character screams comically AUUUGH! <cc break cc break cc break what the f***? I'm at full stamina!>
AUUUUGH! <cc break cc break spamming it>
CC broken five seconds later. Dead. Tea bagged.
Or worse, it looks like:
Immovable pot. Feared literally two seconds later... Fear doesn't break...
Fear needs to be fixed, the no break bug is ridiculous.
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Fear is bugged, there's a difference. If you could always reliably break it, and it respected immovable like it should then it would be fine.
I disagree. But that's not the point at all. Replace Fear with any contentious ability. The point is that everyone has opinions about abilities. That shouldn't give us license to thread crap every time they are used.
It's like some guy who doesn't like Radiant Destruction initiating a discussion about it in a Templar video thread. While it's fine to have an opinion about RD, it's dumb to call people out for using an ability they have every right to use.0 -
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That's exactly what you're doing by calling out the use of Overload by writing in the video thread of an Overload Sorc, "I hope you feel really skillful with that Overload bud."I'm not giving him crap. I've not patted anyone on the back for using Malubeth. And I'm in favor of removing the snare and maim from fear if the AoE maim is relocated to another ability. I've stated that before. The cc portion is 100% balanced, though. Cc break has some bugs, but they present themselves more often on other abilities such as dizzying swing and invasion anyway.
You have missed my point about Fear entirely.
It's all good, really. I was an Overload Sorc for a long time and enjoyed every minute of it. Like I said, I haven't been running it lately, and by the end of the DB patch I wasn't using it at all. (see the DB finale montage)0 -
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That's exactly what you're doing by calling out the use of Overload by writing in the video thread of an Overload Sorc, "I hope you feel really skillful with that Overload bud."I'm not giving him crap. I've not patted anyone on the back for using Malubeth. And I'm in favor of removing the snare and maim from fear if the AoE maim is relocated to another ability. I've stated that before. The cc portion is 100% balanced, though. Cc break has some bugs, but they present themselves more often on other abilities such as dizzying swing and invasion anyway.
You have missed my point about Fear entirely.
Trust me, if I wanted to give him crap, the thread would be like twice as long and would have been closed ages ago. This is a long and largely empty thread aside from their own messages...until today apparently. I've ignored it. Thelon and Smiff know what I think of their play styles, but I have no beef with them. Stop poking me with your stick in their thread trying to incite a response.Edited by KenaPKK on August 1, 2016 10:40PMKena
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That's exactly what you're doing by calling out the use of Overload by writing in the video thread of an Overload Sorc, "I hope you feel really skillful with that Overload bud."I'm not giving him crap. I've not patted anyone on the back for using Malubeth. And I'm in favor of removing the snare and maim from fear if the AoE maim is relocated to another ability. I've stated that before. The cc portion is 100% balanced, though. Cc break has some bugs, but they present themselves more often on other abilities such as dizzying swing and invasion anyway.
You have missed my point about Fear entirely.
It's all good, really. I was an Overload Sorc for a long time and enjoyed every minute of it. Like I said, I haven't been running it lately, and by the end of the DB patch I wasn't using it at all. (see the DB finale montage)
^ I noticed this. Ever think you'll go back to using destro? I enjoy it more personally is why I ask.Edited by KenaPKK on August 1, 2016 10:42PMKena
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Hey Thelon,
In the sequence from 6:02 - 7:53, do you know what date that was recorded on? I recognized my robe before I even saw my nameplate, and thought I'd go through my own recordings to see if I had anything from that fight. I do remember it, just can't seem to remember the exact date.0 -
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That's exactly what you're doing by calling out the use of Overload by writing in the video thread of an Overload Sorc, "I hope you feel really skillful with that Overload bud."I'm not giving him crap. I've not patted anyone on the back for using Malubeth. And I'm in favor of removing the snare and maim from fear if the AoE maim is relocated to another ability. I've stated that before. The cc portion is 100% balanced, though. Cc break has some bugs, but they present themselves more often on other abilities such as dizzying swing and invasion anyway.
You have missed my point about Fear entirely.
It's all good, really. I was an Overload Sorc for a long time and enjoyed every minute of it. Like I said, I haven't been running it lately, and by the end of the DB patch I wasn't using it at all. (see the DB finale montage)
^ I noticed this. Ever think you'll go back to using destro? I enjoy it more personally is why I ask.
I've always been duel wielding and nah I don't have plans to grab a Destro Staff anytime soon, but maybe someday0 -
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✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »@Thelon Dude... Thats awesome ! That running tho
Any tips on playing the Overload Sorc? I just finished farming my Elegance set and was thinking about going Seducer + Elegance + Kena + Blood Spawn. How do you think that would work out? And also when you need an emergency heal when in Overload, what do you do ?
I hope you feel really skillful with that Overload bud.
Overload actually takes a lot of skill to use correctly. Moving in and out of overload smoothly, dealing with a GCD on your light attack, actually hitting someone good with it, all takes practice and strategy. It's still buggy as hell getting in and out over overload.
Not to mention the fact that half the time I try spamming OL light attacks it just goes into Emperor Palpatine mode (Heavy Attack)0 -
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✭are you being sarcastic?
Rune Cage + Overload or Soul Assault has been a great combo for some time now.
If you run defensive rune OFF your overload bar you can't really control it's proc. Some people don't want to pay a respec for a single morph swap that's why I mentioned running it on the OL bar since you can apply it in a more controllable manner. Personally, I prefer rune cage for that application.0 -
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✭No hes not. His reasoning being you dont have to cast it that much, and many people use overload as a buff bar. I cast rune far too often to keep it there however.
It's my get the f off me lotus spammer button.
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✭Overload is awesome for tanks you cant break otherwise but it's just so damn slow and awkward to use. I've recently taken it off my bars.
Edited by Xeven on August 2, 2016 8:41PM1 -
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✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »@Thelon Dude... Thats awesome ! That running tho
Any tips on playing the Overload Sorc? I just finished farming my Elegance set and was thinking about going Seducer + Elegance + Kena + Blood Spawn. How do you think that would work out? And also when you need an emergency heal when in Overload, what do you do ?
I hope you feel really skillful with that Overload bud.
Overload actually takes a lot of skill to use correctly. Moving in and out of overload smoothly, dealing with a GCD on your light attack, actually hitting someone good with it, all takes practice and strategy. It's still buggy as hell getting in and out over overload.
Thank you.@ Izaki #PCEU
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