Sypher vs. Crown & Parody: Results of the bet!

Zheg

One day an enterprising DC on azura's star will realize that we aren't allowed to stay for our Dticks and simply follow us around and linger for an extra 2 minutes after an objective is cleared to claim the leaderboards as their own.

Huckdabuck

frozywozy wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Oh man.

You loved my group when it was playing for your faction. How times change

Yeah, the game was not as laggy and you were not running 24men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoU5jqjdrmU

What.

First, I see people from Pride, Hijinx and Havoc in that group. I didn't play with VE anymore at that point. Second and as I sais previously and as it's prouven in the video, the latency was much better.

First.....the people from Pride (myself included) had joined VE probably a month before this video was made as Pride had all but collapsed upon itself, Agrippa (Hijinx) was running with VE up until our reroll, and the 2 or so Havoc folks just happened to be there at the time as well. Also I can remember a few raids that you tagged along with us after I joined VE. Second.....did you even watch the video? It's red lag for the majority of the duration save maybe the first minute and a half. The continuous nasty lag is why the fight actually ended as both teams pulled off due to another fight at BRK iirc which basically put the server at a stand still. So no the latency in this video is not much better than the current game play.

Zheg wrote: »

One day an enterprising DC on azura's star will realize that we aren't allowed to stay for our Dticks and simply follow us around and linger for an extra 2 minutes after an objective is cleared to claim the leaderboards as their own.

Those enterprising individuals already started doing that. We already know who they are.

Psilent

Manoekin wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

I remember Pixysticks doing this a lot at the KC LM on Haderus and the gate during the Forward Camp era. He'd run into us spamming every AoE at his disposal and then die. The AD buff defenders would push into us and wipe us and then he'd release.

The other AD would be so pissed asking me if we were giving him solo defense ticks because they couldn't match his AP gain and the current Emperor was worried once he got dethroned he'd lose his throne to Pixysticks; which he did eventually.

One day I flat out just asked Pixy what he was doing and he explained it to me. Nice guy, miss him. One of the few players that legitimately one shot me with a 24k Crystal Fragment.

Best solo AP farmer was Amseruaq, who farmed suicide resources staying in the tower and throwing trops down on enemy groups trying to blood port. He was actually the first ever Thorn emp that way I think.

Bet he got a lot of rage tells... Smart idea though.

Had a huge tower farm defense tick of 25k once when EP stopped a AD tower farm at Drakelowe Farm. Once EP broke it up; they all left. I learned very quickly to stay back at all broken tower farms. Gotten some nice ticks...

Also when Zazeer says in TS "The tick won't be worth it, let's head back to the keep.."

Crown

@Sypher Nice video, and it gives the basic principle of how to get AP from others doing the killing. The important thing you're missing that will tell people when it's worth doing and with what skills is the math behind AP distribution. If you have the time, re-watch your video and add up the caltrops ticks per player, then look at their total health and see the percentage of damage that you did to them to get the 250 AP per death. In a real fight there would be healing, players wouldn't stay in caltrops very long, and the total damage done to a target to get a kill would be a lot more.

This principle is how Parody made about 1/2 of her AP later in the first day, the other half being ganking / killing the right people in the right place at the right time. Until about 3-4 hours in, the top positions were very close (within 20 k ish), and it was almost all normal solo play / ganking until enough people from all three factions got in for the right fights to happen.

JDar wrote: »

I take back what I said about this requiring a whole lot of skill or technique

I'm looking forward to lots of people trying to do what is shown in this video, failing miserably, and wondering why it's not as easy as @Sypher implied it was, especially since @JDar says it doesn't require a whole lot of skill or technique. @JDar lets see if you can make an average of 50k AP / hour for 12 hours. Keep in mind that this was @Lightingale playing who I've been training how to play solo NB for about three weeks. You have not yet seen what I can do. Care to wager?

frozywozy

Huckdabuck wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Oh man.

You loved my group when it was playing for your faction. How times change

Yeah, the game was not as laggy and you were not running 24men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoU5jqjdrmU

What.

First, I see people from Pride, Hijinx and Havoc in that group. I didn't play with VE anymore at that point. Second and as I sais previously and as it's prouven in the video, the latency was much better.

First.....the people from Pride (myself included) had joined VE probably a month before this video was made as Pride had all but collapsed upon itself, Agrippa (Hijinx) was running with VE up until our reroll, and the 2 or so Havoc folks just happened to be there at the time as well. Also I can remember a few raids that you tagged along with us after I joined VE. Second.....did you even watch the video? It's red lag for the majority of the duration save maybe the first minute and a half. The continuous nasty lag is why the fight actually ended as both teams pulled off due to another fight at BRK iirc which basically put the server at a stand still. So no the latency in this video is not much better than the current game play.

Zheg wrote: »

One day an enterprising DC on azura's star will realize that we aren't allowed to stay for our Dticks and simply follow us around and linger for an extra 2 minutes after an objective is cleared to claim the leaderboards as their own.

Those enterprising individuals already started doing that. We already know who they are.

I'm sorry but 200ms is like paradize when engaging 24 against 24 nowadays. Like I've said previously, I've ran a few times in 24men ballgroups the past 6months and everytime it was like someone had the rhm lag switch on constantly. Ping was going between 200ms (idle) to 800-1200ms during huge fights.

Ezareth

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

Both my grandfathers were born in Sicily. What you ate was not pizza. It was a hodgepodge of stuff dropped while cleaning out a pantry/refig that happened to land on some dough, which was then promptly thrown into an oven.

I love hearing Italians complain to me that Olive Garden is not Italian food. I don't care if it isn't authentic or not, it's better than every $50-100 a plate "authentic" Italian I've ever tried.

Sometime food evolves. Crown's Pizza sounds nasty as hell to me with all the swine littering the thing but he'd probably look like the lady in this video if you put an "Authentic" Pizza from Sicily in front of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzDaI5nsJ_k

FENGRUSH

Ezareth wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

Both my grandfathers were born in Sicily. What you ate was not pizza. It was a hodgepodge of stuff dropped while cleaning out a pantry/refig that happened to land on some dough, which was then promptly thrown into an oven.

I love hearing Italians complain to me that Olive Garden is not Italian food. I don't care if it isn't authentic or not, it's better than every $50-100 a plate "authentic" Italian I've ever tried.

Sometime food evolves. Crown's Pizza sounds nasty as hell to me with all the swine littering the thing but he'd probably look like the lady in this video if you put an "Authentic" Pizza from Sicily in front of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzDaI5nsJ_k

I hope by authentic Italian food you mean food made in Italy. Because its pretty legit - and the pizza is too. Only had 1 pizza I wasnt happy with in Italy, and I managed to try one in over half a dozen major cities there!

rich.magab14a_ESO

Ezareth wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

Both my grandfathers were born in Sicily. What you ate was not pizza. It was a hodgepodge of stuff dropped while cleaning out a pantry/refig that happened to land on some dough, which was then promptly thrown into an oven.

I love hearing Italians complain to me that Olive Garden is not Italian food. I don't care if it isn't authentic or not, it's better than every $50-100 a plate "authentic" Italian I've ever tried.

Sometime food evolves. Crown's Pizza sounds nasty as hell to me with all the swine littering the thing but he'd probably look like the lady in this video if you put an "Authentic" Pizza from Sicily in front of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzDaI5nsJ_k

OH God... Olive Garden isnt even good food, let alone good italian food. Go back out into the world and try some new things, places and new food.

Ezareth

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@FENGRUSH The hostility is due to my being very proud of how much she's learned over the past month, and the never ending *** talking and whispers that she gets now when she's online. I took your response as another implied insult.

She spends most of her time finding the red vs blue fights, and killing people who are out of position. Similar to what most of you solo players do, though you guys tend to find the fights between your faction and one other - which limits you to specific targets that other players from your own faction have likely already targeted. With zero support from other allied players, it's all on her to kill or be killed - or do enough damage to opponents already in fights such that her percentage of AP gains is higher than others.

The simple way as a DC, find an AD fighting an EP. Wait until both are low on resources. Kill the more powerful one, then the less powerful one. Get the points.

IE...True ganking. Good for her!

I did this for a long while after release. The run times to/from Bleakers eventually got tedius and I got lazy. It most certainly will keep you on your toes though.

I'm sure her rage tells are frequent and plentiful.

Not really talking about ganking, talking about 'tagging' people and collecting. Im cutting a clip from my stream last night just to demonstrate what I mean - and its nothing foreign to me, its just how it works. You could do this between 2 enemies and always come out on top because youre never a loser. In this case - DC comes in and cleans up a group we were already fighting. While they killed them from full health, all of my damage and my groups was still in there, and you can see we collect a decent amount. If I was solo here I would have collected a lot more.

This in essence is how you can be 'solo' and actually function solo - but net huge AP gains operating near a group of yours.. which is all I was asking about. But being a nightblade - you can go between enemies relatively easy throw in a det and an AOE ult and youve pretty much tagged enough damage to net the full payment of a full group.

Im sure something to this effect happened for @Crown wife even though he is saying she was just 'soloing' because its not likely you outperform some of the leaders on AD leaderboard by yourself. If you were that good, The Lord FENGRUSH would know your name.

I have to disagree with your understanding of "Tagging" people @FENGRUSH . AP collected is directly proportional to the amount of damage you(and your team) did to a players health pool over the prior 5 minutes unless the player died in those 5 minutes in which case it is calculated at the point of ressurection. If a player is worth 1000 AP and you did 50% of the damage to their health over the past 5 minutes while solo you would get 500 AP if they die. If that player has 20,000 hitpoints and you did 10,000 damage to the player, then they healed themselves to full and another player took them from 20,000 to dead, you would get 250 AP.

Now there are other bonuses that increase the amount of AP you receive (Or reduce it) but that's the basic gist. You really don't get much AP for "Tagging". You get a lot of AP notifications but if you look at the amounts they are relatively small unless you did a significant amount of damage to the players health.

Solo ganking provides the most AP, especially if you're able to disengage and rengage at will. The primary reason @sypherpk2ub17_ESO lost is because Magicka Sorcs now have zero chance to disengage from large groups. The Bolt Escape nerf gutted the mobility of the magick sorc to where they have zero chance at outrunning any stamina build unless they're near a door somewhere.

Back when I would be #1 AP by a mile on my Sorc it was precisely the ability to pick and choose my fights and targets that gave me the ability to lead everyone else. Now, I die far to often as was probably the case with Sypher compared to PArody. It would be interesting to see the stats of each player in the contest on deaths over the course of those 10 hours. I'd bet a Pizza that Sypher died twice as much as Parody or more.

Ezareth

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

Both my grandfathers were born in Sicily. What you ate was not pizza. It was a hodgepodge of stuff dropped while cleaning out a pantry/refig that happened to land on some dough, which was then promptly thrown into an oven.

I love hearing Italians complain to me that Olive Garden is not Italian food. I don't care if it isn't authentic or not, it's better than every $50-100 a plate "authentic" Italian I've ever tried.

Sometime food evolves. Crown's Pizza sounds nasty as hell to me with all the swine littering the thing but he'd probably look like the lady in this video if you put an "Authentic" Pizza from Sicily in front of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzDaI5nsJ_k

I hope by authentic Italian food you mean food made in Italy. Because its pretty legit - and the pizza is too. Only had 1 pizza I wasnt happy with in Italy, and I managed to try one in over half a dozen major cities there!

Ohh I know it is good food. I'd consider myself more of a Pizza "purist" than I am an Italian Food purist. I'm not a huge fan of drizzling everything in Olive oil. I also hate vinegar and I don't dig on swine. But I am a big fan of bread.

I just commented because I can understand where Crown is coming from. Sometimes the "Americanized" version of many foods actually taste much better than the "Authentic" foods they mimic. Acquired tastes sure, but I always laugh at these purists or food snobs who think that authentic or original food has to be better to everyone.

I'd never compare Pizza hut to Authentic Italian (Vegetarian) pizza btw. What ever oil Pizza hut uses on their pizzas makes me sick.

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

Both my grandfathers were born in Sicily. What you ate was not pizza. It was a hodgepodge of stuff dropped while cleaning out a pantry/refig that happened to land on some dough, which was then promptly thrown into an oven.

I love hearing Italians complain to me that Olive Garden is not Italian food. I don't care if it isn't authentic or not, it's better than every $50-100 a plate "authentic" Italian I've ever tried.

Sometime food evolves. Crown's Pizza sounds nasty as hell to me with all the swine littering the thing but he'd probably look like the lady in this video if you put an "Authentic" Pizza from Sicily in front of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzDaI5nsJ_k

OH God... Olive Garden isnt even good food, let alone good italian food. Go back out into the world and try some new things, places and new food.

Tried and still try over and over. Every time I travel I always ask the locals for the best restaurant in the area and try it out. I've eaten some $200 meals that after I was finished I ended up wishing I'd gone to Olive Garden instead haha. Bread Sticks, Salad, + Chicken Marsala can't be topped for me. To each their own I guess ( =

BigTone

"Olive Garden" and "Italian Food" should never be compared. That's like saying Chipotle is Mexican food. You don't even have to travel to Italy for good Italian food, North Jersey has some of the best around.

Ghost-Shot

frozywozy wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Oh man.

You loved my group when it was playing for your faction. How times change

Yeah, the game was not as laggy and you were not running 24men.

Um, yeah we were.

Joy_Division

Ezareth wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

Both my grandfathers were born in Sicily. What you ate was not pizza. It was a hodgepodge of stuff dropped while cleaning out a pantry/refig that happened to land on some dough, which was then promptly thrown into an oven.

I love hearing Italians complain to me that Olive Garden is not Italian food. I don't care if it isn't authentic or not, it's better than every $50-100 a plate "authentic" Italian I've ever tried.

Sometime food evolves. Crown's Pizza sounds nasty as hell to me with all the swine littering the thing but he'd probably look like the lady in this video if you put an "Authentic" Pizza from Sicily in front of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzDaI5nsJ_k

I hope by authentic Italian food you mean food made in Italy. Because its pretty legit - and the pizza is too. Only had 1 pizza I wasnt happy with in Italy, and I managed to try one in over half a dozen major cities there!

Ohh I know it is good food. I'd consider myself more of a Pizza "purist" than I am an Italian Food purist. I'm not a huge fan of drizzling everything in Olive oil. I also hate vinegar and I don't dig on swine. But I am a big fan of bread.

I just commented because I can understand where Crown is coming from. Sometimes the "Americanized" version of many foods actually taste much better than the "Authentic" foods they mimic. Acquired tastes sure, but I always laugh at these purists or food snobs who think that authentic or original food has to be better to everyone.

I'd never compare Pizza hut to Authentic Italian (Vegetarian) pizza btw. What ever oil Pizza hut uses on their pizzas makes me sick.

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

Both my grandfathers were born in Sicily. What you ate was not pizza. It was a hodgepodge of stuff dropped while cleaning out a pantry/refig that happened to land on some dough, which was then promptly thrown into an oven.

I love hearing Italians complain to me that Olive Garden is not Italian food. I don't care if it isn't authentic or not, it's better than every $50-100 a plate "authentic" Italian I've ever tried.

Sometime food evolves. Crown's Pizza sounds nasty as hell to me with all the swine littering the thing but he'd probably look like the lady in this video if you put an "Authentic" Pizza from Sicily in front of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzDaI5nsJ_k

OH God... Olive Garden isnt even good food, let alone good italian food. Go back out into the world and try some new things, places and new food.

Tried and still try over and over. Every time I travel I always ask the locals for the best restaurant in the area and try it out. I've eaten some $200 meals that after I was finished I ended up wishing I'd gone to Olive Garden instead haha. Bread Sticks, Salad, + Chicken Marsala can't be topped for me. To each their own I guess ( =

A simple palette for a simple man

Ezareth

Joy_Division wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

Both my grandfathers were born in Sicily. What you ate was not pizza. It was a hodgepodge of stuff dropped while cleaning out a pantry/refig that happened to land on some dough, which was then promptly thrown into an oven.

I love hearing Italians complain to me that Olive Garden is not Italian food. I don't care if it isn't authentic or not, it's better than every $50-100 a plate "authentic" Italian I've ever tried.

Sometime food evolves. Crown's Pizza sounds nasty as hell to me with all the swine littering the thing but he'd probably look like the lady in this video if you put an "Authentic" Pizza from Sicily in front of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzDaI5nsJ_k

I hope by authentic Italian food you mean food made in Italy. Because its pretty legit - and the pizza is too. Only had 1 pizza I wasnt happy with in Italy, and I managed to try one in over half a dozen major cities there!

Ohh I know it is good food. I'd consider myself more of a Pizza "purist" than I am an Italian Food purist. I'm not a huge fan of drizzling everything in Olive oil. I also hate vinegar and I don't dig on swine. But I am a big fan of bread.

I just commented because I can understand where Crown is coming from. Sometimes the "Americanized" version of many foods actually taste much better than the "Authentic" foods they mimic. Acquired tastes sure, but I always laugh at these purists or food snobs who think that authentic or original food has to be better to everyone.

I'd never compare Pizza hut to Authentic Italian (Vegetarian) pizza btw. What ever oil Pizza hut uses on their pizzas makes me sick.

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

Both my grandfathers were born in Sicily. What you ate was not pizza. It was a hodgepodge of stuff dropped while cleaning out a pantry/refig that happened to land on some dough, which was then promptly thrown into an oven.

I love hearing Italians complain to me that Olive Garden is not Italian food. I don't care if it isn't authentic or not, it's better than every $50-100 a plate "authentic" Italian I've ever tried.

Sometime food evolves. Crown's Pizza sounds nasty as hell to me with all the swine littering the thing but he'd probably look like the lady in this video if you put an "Authentic" Pizza from Sicily in front of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzDaI5nsJ_k

OH God... Olive Garden isnt even good food, let alone good italian food. Go back out into the world and try some new things, places and new food.

Tried and still try over and over. Every time I travel I always ask the locals for the best restaurant in the area and try it out. I've eaten some $200 meals that after I was finished I ended up wishing I'd gone to Olive Garden instead haha. Bread Sticks, Salad, + Chicken Marsala can't be topped for me. To each their own I guess ( =

A simple palette for a simple man

I do have rather Spartan tastes I suppose. My guild used make fun of my because I had regular Pillsbury Biscuits for dinner every night for a year straight. I love these conversations with the coffee purists as well. I spend enough at Starbucks every month for a new car payment. I try everything recommended by the "Experts" and it's never as good to me.

Then there are those PvP "Purists" who try to tell me that Overload is bad.... ; )

PosternHouse

This thread is now about why French cooking > Italian cooking. Aaaaand go!

Ezareth

PosternHouse wrote: »

This thread is now about why French cooking > Italian cooking. Aaaaand go!

French Toast and French Fires are amazing! (if not French)

French food is too damn rich for me, especially their sweets. They only thing I think they do better than the Italians is their Bread and possibly their wines.

PosternHouse

Ezareth wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

This thread is now about why French cooking > Italian cooking. Aaaaand go!

French Toast and French Fires are amazing! (if not French)

French food is too damn rich for me, especially their sweets. They only thing I think they do better than the Italians is their Bread and possibly their wines.

They definitely do wine better. But California does wine better than France so it's not like the French can brag about that! I'd buy a 5-7 year old Pinot Noir from a good Russian River Valley vintner over the best Burgundy has to offer.

The best thing about French cooking is that it lets the ingredients shine and it's hardly ever smothered in sauce. Seared foie gras and white truffle with just enough of an acidic sauce to balance out the flavors ... you have like 5 ingredients and it's just utter perfection.

Ezareth

PosternHouse wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

This thread is now about why French cooking > Italian cooking. Aaaaand go!

French Toast and French Fires are amazing! (if not French)

French food is too damn rich for me, especially their sweets. They only thing I think they do better than the Italians is their Bread and possibly their wines.

They definitely do wine better. But California does wine better than France so it's not like the French can brag about that! I'd buy a 5-7 year old Pinot Noir from a good Russian River Valley vintner over the best Bordeaux has to offer.

The best thing about French cooking is that it lets the ingredients shine and it's hardly ever smothered in sauce. Seared foie gras with white truffle with just enough of an acidic sauce to balance out the flavors ... you have like 5 ingredients and it's just utter perfection.

I once paired a $200 vintage bottle of Perrier Jouet with Walmart-brand String Cheese. It really brought the flavor out in that cheese! I think a $25 bottle of Segura Viudas from Spain tastes far better. Haven't tasted anything from California that wasn't swill.

You had me going on the French until you mentioned Foie gras. Disgusting!

PosternHouse

Ezareth wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

This thread is now about why French cooking > Italian cooking. Aaaaand go!

French Toast and French Fires are amazing! (if not French)

French food is too damn rich for me, especially their sweets. They only thing I think they do better than the Italians is their Bread and possibly their wines.

They definitely do wine better. But California does wine better than France so it's not like the French can brag about that! I'd buy a 5-7 year old Pinot Noir from a good Russian River Valley vintner over the best Bordeaux has to offer.

The best thing about French cooking is that it lets the ingredients shine and it's hardly ever smothered in sauce. Seared foie gras with white truffle with just enough of an acidic sauce to balance out the flavors ... you have like 5 ingredients and it's just utter perfection.

I once paired a $200 vintage bottle of Perrier Jouet with Walmart-brand String Cheese. It really brought the flavor out in that cheese! I think a $25 bottle of Segura Viudas from Spain tastes far better. Haven't tasted anything from California that wasn't swill.

You had me going on the French until you mentioned Foie gras. Disgusting!

You Philistine! Foie Gras is goddamned heavenly.

Also your quote reveals my plebian mistake of confusing two French wine regions. Ach!

PosternHouse

I'm sure you could at least appreciate steak au poivre.

Ezareth

PosternHouse wrote: »

I'm sure you could at least appreciate steak au poivre.

Sorry I don't dig on bovine either (although when I did it was tasty!).

I've been a pollotarian for the past 20 years or so. I wouldn't even eat poultry if I didn't believe it was required to maintain an appropriate muscle mass.

Tomato

No one cares about Zerg players or the op Zerg ball player

Darnathian

Crown wrote: »

A few clarifications from our side:

It's pretty obvious that groups are CAPABLE of making more AP than solo/small group IN LAG / high latency conditions. With the exception of some very specific play styles, when latency hits 400ms and/or frames drop below 10, MOST solo players have zero (maybe not zero, but very very low) chance to make any plays.

I believe that the current AP reward for killing players is CLOSE for solo vs group for most play styles.

I hope that the result of this exercise have shown that solo AP farming is a VERY DIFFERENT play style from solo or 1vX. Solo AP farming is VERY boring, and Parody only continued on to prove the point and win the bet (and because I ordered us pizza).

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

I believe that if the lag issues were to be resolved and AoE caps removed, then the likelihood that small groups and solo players will make the similar AP as groups is very high. We can't know this until it's tested in real play conditions, but as the formally acknowledged Grand God of AP ***, my opinion on this matter should hold some weight ;-)

I believe that one of the driving forces for the upcoming AP changes is to incentivize players to run smaller groups in order to decrease the hit on the server(s) from larger groups. I believe that the decision had NOTHING to do with balancing AP gains, and everything to do with trying to alleviate latency challenges when large groups come together.

In order to realistically incentivize small group play, their damage has to be sufficient to take out a large group (if they play well enough) so hopefully we will see some good changes on that front.

From @Sypher's perspective, as a solo player, he makes less AP once the lag hits. At the start of the campaign for the first 2-3 hours, the top spots were neck and neck. It is perfectly reasonable that from his perspective increasing AP gains for solo and small group play would make sense. I don't fault him for that, he is a niche player (meaning he has a specific style and rarely deviates from that style), and probably one of the best solo players out there. If the upcoming changes to AP are made as we understand them, then I have no doubt that unless someone explicitly uses Parody's play style to farm AP, very few people will be able to beat @Sypher on the leader board.

Then i hope someone will play that way. because i tell you now i will have zero incentive to help crown Shpher if he is on his AD sorc. i get it its thier playstyle but it does absolutely zero for the campIgn. at least Fengrush ganks the reinforcement lines. lol.

Ezareth

Darnathian wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

A few clarifications from our side:

It's pretty obvious that groups are CAPABLE of making more AP than solo/small group IN LAG / high latency conditions. With the exception of some very specific play styles, when latency hits 400ms and/or frames drop below 10, MOST solo players have zero (maybe not zero, but very very low) chance to make any plays.

I believe that the current AP reward for killing players is CLOSE for solo vs group for most play styles.

I hope that the result of this exercise have shown that solo AP farming is a VERY DIFFERENT play style from solo or 1vX. Solo AP farming is VERY boring, and Parody only continued on to prove the point and win the bet (and because I ordered us pizza).

The pizza was VERY good. It had a medium whole wheat crust, with extra tomato sauce, pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, sun dried tomatoes, onions, bacon, Italian sausage, hot banana peppers, garlic butter brushed on the crust, and extra mozzarella cheese.

Anyone who likes anything else on their pizza better than the above is wrong.

I believe that if the lag issues were to be resolved and AoE caps removed, then the likelihood that small groups and solo players will make the similar AP as groups is very high. We can't know this until it's tested in real play conditions, but as the formally acknowledged Grand God of AP ***, my opinion on this matter should hold some weight ;-)

I believe that one of the driving forces for the upcoming AP changes is to incentivize players to run smaller groups in order to decrease the hit on the server(s) from larger groups. I believe that the decision had NOTHING to do with balancing AP gains, and everything to do with trying to alleviate latency challenges when large groups come together.

In order to realistically incentivize small group play, their damage has to be sufficient to take out a large group (if they play well enough) so hopefully we will see some good changes on that front.

From @Sypher's perspective, as a solo player, he makes less AP once the lag hits. At the start of the campaign for the first 2-3 hours, the top spots were neck and neck. It is perfectly reasonable that from his perspective increasing AP gains for solo and small group play would make sense. I don't fault him for that, he is a niche player (meaning he has a specific style and rarely deviates from that style), and probably one of the best solo players out there. If the upcoming changes to AP are made as we understand them, then I have no doubt that unless someone explicitly uses Parody's play style to farm AP, very few people will be able to beat @Sypher on the leader board.

Then i hope someone will play that way. because i tell you now i will have zero incentive to help crown Shpher if he is on his AD sorc. i get it its thier playstyle but it does absolutely zero for the campIgn. at least Fengrush ganks the reinforcement lines. lol.

Does he have an AD sorc as well? I swear I was fighting him on a DC sorc at one point.

Either way solo Sorc emps have rarely contributed much to the campaign. Only in the days of permanegates could you meaningfully impact zergballs running around. Then again, these days Emps are far less powerful than they were in the 1.5 glory days.

Manoekin

frozywozy wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Oh man.

You loved my group when it was playing for your faction. How times change

Yeah, the game was not as laggy and you were not running 24men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoU5jqjdrmU

What.

First, I see people from Pride, Hijinx and Havoc in that group. I didn't play with VE anymore at that point. Second and as I sais previously and as it's prouven in the video, the latency was much better.

First.....the people from Pride (myself included) had joined VE probably a month before this video was made as Pride had all but collapsed upon itself, Agrippa (Hijinx) was running with VE up until our reroll, and the 2 or so Havoc folks just happened to be there at the time as well. Also I can remember a few raids that you tagged along with us after I joined VE. Second.....did you even watch the video? It's red lag for the majority of the duration save maybe the first minute and a half. The continuous nasty lag is why the fight actually ended as both teams pulled off due to another fight at BRK iirc which basically put the server at a stand still. So no the latency in this video is not much better than the current game play.

Zheg wrote: »

One day an enterprising DC on azura's star will realize that we aren't allowed to stay for our Dticks and simply follow us around and linger for an extra 2 minutes after an objective is cleared to claim the leaderboards as their own.

Those enterprising individuals already started doing that. We already know who they are.

I'm sorry but 200ms is like paradize when engaging 24 against 24 nowadays. Like I've said previously, I've ran a few times in 24men ballgroups the past 6months and everytime it was like someone had the rhm lag switch on constantly. Ping was going between 200ms (idle) to 800-1200ms during huge fights.

I think you can have 24v24 today. That day was just lucky that not until the last fight nothing was going on in the map, so it was just us.

Darnathian

Satiar wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Oh man.

You loved my group when it was playing for your faction. How times change

Yeah, the game was not as laggy and you were not running 24men.

Uhhhhhh...

VE has run 24 men pretty much since we had the ability to do it. We filled full raids for months before we went DC, and you know it. You ran in some of those. You're in some of our videos lol, please don't even try to deny it. You also know that lag is not a new thing, lag was horrible before we rerolled and after we rerolled.

The difference is I'm not playing for your faction anymore. That's it.

rekt. as he is used to.

allen-iverson

less talk about ap more talk about prizza

Luigi_Vampa

allen-iverson wrote: »

less talk about ap more talk about prizza

We talking about pizza?! Pizza!? Not the real game... not the real game but pizza!?

Ezareth

allen-iverson wrote: »

less talk about ap more talk about prizza

Best pizza I ever ate was from a small shop....in Aruba. A whole Island to explore and experience and I ate the same Pizza for 3 days in a row. If I ever go back I'd probably do the same thing.

Haven't made it out to Italy yet unfortunately but its on my list. Will consume copious amounts of Pizza and Pasta while there...and (hopefully) breadsticks!

Darnathian

Docmandu wrote: »

Some of these streamers are always quick to cry and point out issues for them.. then continue to slot reverberating bash (since it's known to be broken) and ask for invis pots so they can exploit the bug with invisible rez... yeah, really the type of players ZOS should listen to.

This. ^^^^^. As the Lord likes to point out about how dumb zergs are. here is some simple math.

24 people against a group of 8 would be a 3 to 1 advantage. the other night he chased me down with 8 people. thats 8 to 1. when i called him out he told me some BS that "he hates nbs so its okay".

I AM A FRIGGAN STAMPLAR I TELL HIM.

his response was.... thats right silence. hypocrit