Are you satisfied without a player wide auction house?

Daedgaming

Tell us your thoughts!

robkrush

No

Save development time and just implement a text based trading channel. Done.

Heindrich

Yes

I was in Diablo 3 when it had a global auction house (gold and real money). ESO has a much better economic system with the guild traders.

Guild stores could do with better search UI though. And a global sales database (for price checking) would be nice too.

Khaos_Bane

No

I understand what ZoS is trying to do, but no, I am not satisfied with it. The main reason I don't like it is due to having to join trade guilds and maintaining a certain amount of profit for them or you get kicked. I also don't like running from zone to zone to try to find the right prices.

I have a family member that only plays the game a couple of weekends out of the month. So he isn't even able to stay in a trade guild to sell his materials if he wants to. Anyone should be able to post sales in a global auction house without having a trade guild.

Digerati

Yes

a segregated economy keeps commodities strong. a global auction house would crowd out smaller competitors...

think about it this way... A neighborhood market can thrive until a chain supermarket moves in. The chain supermarket has much more capital to leverage and therefore can achieve lower prices than the neighborhood market.

The segregated economy provides room for a neighborhood market and a chain supermarket. So mom n pop doesn't have to necessarily compete with walmart.

The benefits of this segregated economy outweigh the inconveniences faced by consumers and walmarters.

vanillexhope

No

I would prefer a global auction house. However, I've grown used to this system and can live without it.

Bars

No

but then again who cares

MrDerrikk

Yes

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept

Daedgaming

No

Digerati wrote: »

a segregated economy keeps commodities strong. a global auction house would crowd out smaller competitors...

think about it this way... A neighborhood market can thrive until a chain supermarket moves in. The chain supermarket has much more capital to leverage and therefore can achieve lower prices than the neighborhood market.

The segregated economy provides room for a neighborhood market and a chain supermarket. So mom n pop doesn't have to necessarily compete with walmart.

The benefits of this segregated economy outweigh the inconveniences faced by consumers and walmarters.

Strongly agree if this was real life. Therefore disagree entirely.

NewBlacksmurf

Yes

Ya know.....IF ZOS never had removed the faction lock limitation a lot of this would be even better.

dimensional

Don't care

Yes. I don't want a global auction house at all, under any circumstance. I do think the UI for searching guild traders is terrible though, could be way better.

RAGUNAnoOne

No

MrDerrikk wrote: »

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept

@MrDerrikk are you serious? whatever this poll by itself is Gidorick bait anyways.

Heindrich

Yes

Digerati wrote: »

a segregated economy keeps commodities strong. a global auction house would crowd out smaller competitors...

think about it this way... A neighborhood market can thrive until a chain supermarket moves in. The chain supermarket has much more capital to leverage and therefore can achieve lower prices than the neighborhood market.

The segregated economy provides room for a neighborhood market and a chain supermarket. So mom n pop doesn't have to necessarily compete with walmart.

The benefits of this segregated economy outweigh the inconveniences faced by consumers and walmarters.

+1

Nicely explained @Digerati Refreshing to see such intelligence on this forum!

People might accuse me of bias on this subject since I run a very successful trade guild, but frankly, the current system makes the trading game more interesting and variable, not "easier" for me.

If there were a global auction house like in Diablo 3, it'd actually be much easier for mega rich traders like me to dominate entire segments of the economy and totally cut off supplies of certain essential commodities. At present I could manipulate prices to an extent, but it takes too much effort and entails too much risk due to market segmentation.

I was also one of the richest players in Diablo 3 (before they removed auction house) and I ended up hating the auction house cos it forced me to browse the auction house all day instead of playing the game itself since AH trading was way more efficient than farming anything ingame. Thankfully in ESO, partly because of the inefficiencies of the guild trader system, this is not the case.

MrDerrikk

Yes

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept

@MrDerrikk are you serious? whatever this poll by itself is Gidorick bait anyways.

I know, but he doesn't seem to be on so I just had to

RizaHawkeye

Don't care

Does it even matter if I'm satisfied?

My dissatisfaction with a game mechanic has never really seemed to bother Zenimax before.

RAGUNAnoOne

No

Perhaps if they have much larger taxes than guild traders it would be viable to add some incentive to guilds but I would prefer something like this (shameless plug): http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/229968/guest-passes-a-new-guild-trader-concept#latest

Daedgaming

No

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

I understand what ZoS is trying to do, but no, I am not satisfied with it. The main reason I don't like it is due to having to join trade guilds and maintaining a certain amount of profit for them or you get kicked. I also don't like running from zone to zone to try to find the right prices.

I have a family member that only plays the game a couple of weekends out of the month. So he isn't even able to stay in a trade guild to sell his materials if he wants to. Anyone should be able to post sales in a global auction house without having a trade guild.

I have several friends with those exact same issues.

Lightninvash

Yes

Here's some ups and downs of having an AH.

Yes having one will make selling easier. You can look up items that you want and they will be there if someone around the eso world is selling them.

Problem is prices will tend to do one of 2 things go way up or drop way low. You may be thinking well what's wrong with low pricing? there would be no more guild stores and there would be a surplus of money in the eso economy. Now I can only assume there will be bidding in the AH and a set price so you can either put up for bit or buy outright. At first will be great being able to get what you want when you want. Then the price will either plummet due to being able to see what others put and under cutting them, or skyrocket due to the access of money and no decant gold sink that the bids could go ridiculously high that the sell prices go up. With such few gold sinks in the game as there are it would probably go the route of higher pricing per items. Ofc there will be the people who watch the market and buy and sell when prices high sell buy at low end for more gold to increase personal funds further.

I have seen how much an AH can effect the economy in both positive ways and negative. From my experiences prices always go up as people want tend to want more gold so they can buy whatever they want when they want. With more gold around increases prices due to the economy trying to outbid each other.

That being said I think it would be cool at first to be able to get whatever is being sold globally around eso, however in the long term when kuda goes from 10k-100k(years from now due to AH) it will no longer be a good system.

NewBlacksmurf

Yes

Digerati wrote: »

a segregated economy keeps commodities strong. a global auction house would crowd out smaller competitors...

think about it this way... A neighborhood market can thrive until a chain supermarket moves in. The chain supermarket has much more capital to leverage and therefore can achieve lower prices than the neighborhood market.

The segregated economy provides room for a neighborhood market and a chain supermarket. So mom n pop doesn't have to necessarily compete with walmart.

The benefits of this segregated economy outweigh the inconveniences faced by consumers and walmarters.

+1

Zorrashi

Yes

Daedgaming wrote: »

Digerati wrote: »

a segregated economy keeps commodities strong. a global auction house would crowd out smaller competitors...

think about it this way... A neighborhood market can thrive until a chain supermarket moves in. The chain supermarket has much more capital to leverage and therefore can achieve lower prices than the neighborhood market.

The segregated economy provides room for a neighborhood market and a chain supermarket. So mom n pop doesn't have to necessarily compete with walmart.

The benefits of this segregated economy outweigh the inconveniences faced by consumers and walmarters.

Strongly agree if this was real life. Therefore disagree entirely.

The principles apply themselves all the same. A global AH simply isn't without faults just as the guild store system isn't without faults. I believe that @Daedgaming hit the nail on the head with that simple comparison of neighborhood markets vs. supermarkets seeing as how AHs and Guild stores more or less conform to the basic principles that each type of store abides by.

Abeille

Yes

I like the system.

I hate the UI.

I really don't know how console players can live without the addons Awesome Guild Store and Master Merchant.

Daedgaming

No

Lightninvash wrote: »

Here's some ups and downs of having an AH.

Yes having one will make selling easier. You can look up items that you want and they will be there if someone around the eso world is selling them.

Problem is prices will tend to do one of 2 things go way up or drop way low. You may be thinking well what's wrong with low pricing? there would be no more guild stores and there would be a surplus of money in the eso economy. Now I can only assume there will be bidding in the AH and a set price so you can either put up for bit or buy outright. At first will be great being able to get what you want when you want. Then the price will either plummet due to being able to see what others put and under cutting them, or skyrocket due to the access of money and no decant gold sink that the bids could go ridiculously high that the sell prices go up. With such few gold sinks in the game as there are it would probably go the route of higher pricing per items. Ofc there will be the people who watch the market and buy and sell when prices high sell buy at low end for more gold to increase personal funds further.

I have seen how much an AH can effect the economy in both positive ways and negative. From my experiences prices always go up as people want tend to want more gold so they can buy whatever they want when they want. With more gold around increases prices due to the economy trying to outbid each other.

That being said I think it would be cool at first to be able to get whatever is being sold globally around eso, however in the long term when kuda goes from 10k-100k(years from now due to AH) it will no longer be a good system.

I do agrees it's a thing that happens and I have seen all of those things happen in other MMOs yet I still don't care. That's what I want. I am sick and tired of running around the world to find guild stores that might have what I am looking for, and I am so sick of how annoying it is to make money in the game. I miss the economic struggles of games like World of Warcraft or Old Republic. While the guild trading system makes sense from a economic managing point, I miss the chaos.

bryanhaas

No

Either develop an auction house or improve the search in guild traders.

Lightninvash

Yes

Daedgaming wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

Here's some ups and downs of having an AH.

Yes having one will make selling easier. You can look up items that you want and they will be there if someone around the eso world is selling them.

Problem is prices will tend to do one of 2 things go way up or drop way low. You may be thinking well what's wrong with low pricing? there would be no more guild stores and there would be a surplus of money in the eso economy. Now I can only assume there will be bidding in the AH and a set price so you can either put up for bit or buy outright. At first will be great being able to get what you want when you want. Then the price will either plummet due to being able to see what others put and under cutting them, or skyrocket due to the access of money and no decant gold sink that the bids could go ridiculously high that the sell prices go up. With such few gold sinks in the game as there are it would probably go the route of higher pricing per items. Ofc there will be the people who watch the market and buy and sell when prices high sell buy at low end for more gold to increase personal funds further.

I have seen how much an AH can effect the economy in both positive ways and negative. From my experiences prices always go up as people want tend to want more gold so they can buy whatever they want when they want. With more gold around increases prices due to the economy trying to outbid each other.

That being said I think it would be cool at first to be able to get whatever is being sold globally around eso, however in the long term when kuda goes from 10k-100k(years from now due to AH) it will no longer be a good system.

I do agrees it's a thing that happens and I have seen all of those things happen in other MMOs yet I still don't care. That's what I want. I am sick and tired of running around the world to find guild stores that might have what I am looking for, and I am so sick of how annoying it is to make money in the game. I miss the economic struggles of games like World of Warcraft or Old Republic. While the guild trading system makes sense from a economic managing point, I miss the chaos.

But See people have gotten used to(from my experience on console) meeting up in the main cities for grouping/ trading/ selling things that making an AH to just make prices go high would seem kind of pointless. another option is to just join a small trade guild and buy the items off them. could be another option. I know in my guild if someone needs something they just ask(we use a phone app to communicate) if anyone has a certain item and it makes for quick trading or selling.

Daedgaming

No

Abeille wrote: »

I like the system.

I hate the UI.

I really don't know how console players can live without the addons Awesome Guild Store and Master Merchant.

That's the point, we really can't. We need a auction house or at least an easy way to search through all of the guilds that have a guild store. It's so annoying running around the world trying to find the stores.

Abeille

Yes

Daedgaming wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

I like the system.

I hate the UI.

I really don't know how console players can live without the addons Awesome Guild Store and Master Merchant.

That's the point, we really can't. We need a auction house or at least an easy way to search through all of the guilds that have a guild store. It's so annoying running around the world trying to find the stores.

I can imagine. The only reason I didn't pick "no" is because I use addons so I am not bothered by the absolutely abysmal UI. But I sympathize with you guys

Lightninvash

Yes

Daedgaming wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

I like the system.

I hate the UI.

I really don't know how console players can live without the addons Awesome Guild Store and Master Merchant.

That's the point, we really can't. We need a auction house or at least an easy way to search through all of the guilds that have a guild store. It's so annoying running around the world trying to find the stores.

If you are in a guild that is active and they have a form of communication getting a certain item isn't too difficult. I see it all the time in my guilds chat app needing something or a crafted this or blah blah blah trait. ect. I think the system is ok just need a better communication method than the voice area chat.

Lirkin

No

Digerati wrote: »

a segregated economy keeps commodities strong. a global auction house would crowd out smaller competitors...

think about it this way... A neighborhood market can thrive until a chain supermarket moves in. The chain supermarket has much more capital to leverage and therefore can achieve lower prices than the neighborhood market.

The segregated economy provides room for a neighborhood market and a chain supermarket. So mom n pop doesn't have to necessarily compete with walmart.

The benefits of this segregated economy outweigh the inconveniences faced by consumers and walmarters.

This is wrong. With the current system crowds out the small competitors because they can't even get a trader.

Travel to do the trading sucks.

The benefits of a segregated market are all to the seller.

Ice_Eye

Yes

I do prefer the current system over an auction house however as some others have said, the UI does need a lot of improvement.

However, one thing that is a plus in the current guild store system is that it serves as a big gold sink. Millions of gold each week are spent to get traders, and this gold comes out of the pockets of the traders and most of it comes from the richest percent of those traders. Some people already say that ESO does not have enough gold sinks in the late game and I would tend to agree with that statement. If an auction house is implemented then that gold sink would go and the money that goes to buy the traders each week stays in the pockets of the richer traders, giving them more resources to control parts of the market that would now be much easier to control.

Artjuh90

well although finding the items will be easier with global auctionhouses, there is a fact that a part of the community loses alot of income due to this. they make sure their trader guild has a location at the beter tradingposts like in mournhould for example. this will make alot of mats and (if items that are worth a damn weren't BoP) cheaper. so at first you will be "richer" but in the end it won't matter at all because all your items you have at the time will be worth alot less aswell. i don't mind having a global auctionhouse bit it will affect the economy in a big way for good or bad we will just have to wait and see if it's implemented

Lightninvash

Yes

Another option is we could as a community for the different factions put a set place for buying and selling wares in a city. say like crafting motifs/ researching items/ raw matireals/ and recipes in one area. crafted gear/ set gear in another section dealing with armor and weapons. then we could have an area for potions food and ect like that. and finally an area for miscellaneous items. either set it as towns per type of trade or sections in a big city. and could even be a city/ area for dungeon recruitment and pvp