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(Resolved) Skipping training in Cyrodiil forever shorts you 1 skill point.
Eiagra
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UPDATE: Thanks to the guidance of below posters, I was able to learn that the skill points rewarded for doing the tutorial missions is from Alliance Rank. Thank you for pointing this out to me! 
It looks like you get one point for joining (Alliance Rank 1) and another point for getting enough AP to reach the next rank (Alliance Rank 2).
Original Post Below:
Edited by Eiagra on December 26, 2015 6:53AM It looks like you get one point for joining (Alliance Rank 1) and another point for getting enough AP to reach the next rank (Alliance Rank 2).Original Post Below:
So, this was something of a disappointing thing to discover... apparently, skipping training because you already know what you are doing shorts your character 1 skill point you would normally acquire by doing the siege engine tutorial quests. PERMANENTLY.
There is absolutely no indication of this in the dialog. We are, of course, asked, "Are you sure?" because there is "Lots to learn," but this does not give any indication that it will short you a skill point, just that you'll be missing out on information regarding siege engine usage.
I would like to request that the dialog text receive an addendum: "(You will not receive the skill point for completing the siege engine tutorial.)" -- does not require voiceover changes -- as well as the "red option lock-in text" to reinforce that this is a permanent change. It's a small change that can help prevent ignorance from doing this tiny amount of damage.
One skill point may not make or break a character in the long run, and I'm aware of that, but this really soured my mood. Early on, skill points can be in fairly short supply if you are trying to evenly raise a bunch of abilities at once, so they're a bit precious. I dislike a lack of information causing this kind of distress, however minor that distress may be.
Tried going over to the NPCs regardless, but it seems I'm locked out. Blargh.
There is absolutely no indication of this in the dialog. We are, of course, asked, "Are you sure?" because there is "Lots to learn," but this does not give any indication that it will short you a skill point, just that you'll be missing out on information regarding siege engine usage.
I would like to request that the dialog text receive an addendum: "(You will not receive the skill point for completing the siege engine tutorial.)" -- does not require voiceover changes -- as well as the "red option lock-in text" to reinforce that this is a permanent change. It's a small change that can help prevent ignorance from doing this tiny amount of damage.
One skill point may not make or break a character in the long run, and I'm aware of that, but this really soured my mood. Early on, skill points can be in fairly short supply if you are trying to evenly raise a bunch of abilities at once, so they're a bit precious. I dislike a lack of information causing this kind of distress, however minor that distress may be.
Tried going over to the NPCs regardless, but it seems I'm locked out. Blargh.
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Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
✭my dk has 266 skill points and doesn't have 1 skyshard from cyrodill or craglorn. his alliance rank is 5. it is not that skillpoints are rare lol0 -
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zerosingularity✭✭✭✭my dk has 266 skill points and doesn't have 1 skyshard from cyrodill or craglorn. his alliance rank is 5. it is not that skillpoints are rare lol
My NB is 0 of 310+ skill points free, so for some, every skillpoint matters. I would like conformation if this is true or not. I know you gain AP and an alliance war rank up by skipping the lessons, allowing you to immediately start learning Rapid Maneuver, and every rank up nets a skillpoint. Do we actually lose a skillpoint by skipping the training? (IE do we get 2 skillpoints by doing the training and end up the same alliance rank, or just one?)NA-PC
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Arkadius✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't think that's the case. You don't get skill points by doing these quests. You get AP by doing them and you get skill points by gaining AP.5 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What Xiana said, unless the quest has as a reward "Skill Point" then the point you got was from quickly gaining ranks with ap (since ranks 1-3 take almost nothing to gain).2 -
Eiagra✭✭✭✭✭First time doing the "Skip" option from Alliance War once I hit level 10. One of those "Hmm, I haven't done this, maybe I should try it and see" moments that I came to regret. I deleted and re-created the character, and I'll try the other route and see whether this skill point is a quest reward or a result of gaining Alliance Rank 2 (skipping puts you at Alliance Rank 1).
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Is this the answer?I'll try the other route and see whether this skill point is a quest reward or a result of gaining Alliance Rank 3 (skipping puts you at Alliance Rank 2).
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't think that's the case. You don't get skill points by doing these quests. You get AP by doing them and you get skill points by gaining AP.
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Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭iirc, all my characters got two skill points from the cyrodil intro quests along with a couple proximate skyshards.
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Fat_Cat45✭✭✭✭✭You don't earn a skillpoint from doing the siege training quest, you earn AP which then levels you up in Alliance War to unlock a skill point.
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The only skill point you can mess up and not get, is from the mage guild quest line. The Cryodiil tutorial does not give a skill point, just AP.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Shadesofkin wrote: »Eh...there are plenty of skill points to go around.
That all depends on if you want to have multiple weapons, multiple armor, vamp/ww, and crafting on one character. Also, early on, one can never have enough SPs IMO... hence the reason I take a fresh 'off the boat' character and run around in higher level zones collecting Skyshards- funny how I can get to roughly level 17 just from the 'found location' XP alone.
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Eiagra✭✭✭✭✭For anyone checking in after, I've revised the original post. Thanks again to those who pointed out the AP gains associated with the tutorial quests!██████ █████████ ███████ In verity.0
