ESO RACIAL CHANGE

TheShadowScout

AngryNord wrote: »

And allowing cherry-picking of racials is something that should NEVER be added to ESO. Period.

That one I can agree with.

But as long as they don't allow to cherry-pick the racial passives, I have no issue with a race change feature.

Which will most likely come with, or in the wake of the character recustomization feature. Which may come with the "criminal" DLCs like TG or DB next yerar (it'd make sense for career criminals to have access to "plastic sorcery" when their wanted posters become a bit too widespread... especially since there are already some instances of magic changing peoples race in the game lore)

I will not use it, not unless they add more races and I get an "Oh, that race would have been so much better for this character idea" moment, but I am not angry about it being available for other people as long as they shell out enough crowns for it. Because then anyone who buys it will be supporting the game with their money, paying for more content to be developed all the sooner for all of us... and everyone wins.

Khaos_Bane

AngryNord wrote: »

sagent64 wrote: »

some new players doesnt even know the importance of racial passives maybe giving them chance to change it after learning the game ?

No. Choices have consequences. Live with it or reroll.

Absolutely not, that ridiculous. When players start they don't know the game and should have a chance to make another choice. There shouldn't be racials at all but ESO put them in. Now ESO needs to give players a chance to change their mind. It shouldn't be a crown function, it should be like a respect of anything else in the game.

Stamden

Cadelay wrote: »

I always crack up at these strange traditionalists: "No race changes! No appearance changes! No name changes! No nothing! Everything must stay the same always! No one must ever be able to fix their mistakes!"

Why don't you guys just go and stand in a corner. At least that way flexibility in games won't overwhelm you.

It's because they want to have an advantage over other players that didn't get as lucky on their decision. How is a player supposed to know DKs and Temps would be nerfed into the ground? How is a player supposed to know Imperials/High Elfs would be the best races when they made a character early 2014?

Half of these elitists are cookie-cutter players with setups like High Elf Sorcers and Imperial Nightblades. If these classes/races got nerfed, they would be crying in this thread too. But because they didn't, these players feel they should be rewarded with a permanent advantage over other players.

PrinceBoru

Unhappy with a character?
No worries!
Join the club...
Re-roll your role.
There is a reason for the 8 slots.

You didn't make a mistake...
You just realized you want a different approach.
I'd guess that has happened to a majority of us.
Your next character will be easier to lvl up now that you know the ropes.

I wouldn't expect ESO to change such a huge facet of the game...
so you'd best get on with it.

Xelrick

Hmm Race change and Class changes.

Race change, I'm up for the option if it also alouds changes to appears of current race.

Class changes, well one way they could do it is how Dragon's Dogma did it. Have it cost gold and lock out skills from other classes... Although in ESO it may as well be tack with the Respect option. Then again there only 4 classes right now, and easier to switch characters. Now if down the line they add more classes then a class change option may be better.
Like I totally want to change my main to a Necromancer class.

Artjuh90

Xelrick wrote: »

Hmm Race change and Class changes.

Race change, I'm up for the option if it also alouds changes to appears of current race.

Class changes, well one way they could do it is how Dragon's Dogma did it. Have it cost gold and lock out skills from other classes... Although in ESO it may as well be tack with the Respect option. Then again there only 4 classes right now, and easier to switch characters. Now if down the line they add more classes then a class change option may be better.
Like I totally want to change my main to a Necromancer class.

well i do have to admit dragon's dogma did it well. it was a single player game and you couldn't go from full melee warrior to full mage in one go. you had those combinationclasses in it. problem if eso would implement this class diversity would go further south as it is now.
ZoS has already stated class change wont come which im glad to. there are enough fotm builds. as for class change i would say meh, but in the end it won't change mutch really. people would just reroll in the end with the same result. i know i won't use it, but the name change im glad to give my argonian temp a more lore apropiate name. now if ZoS changes that you see the name of the character in game and not the GT i would be even more happy.
With low level of community it's hard to find RP-ers . this way it would make it more easy, Rp-ers tend to spend more time thinking about the name of their character

RizaHawkeye

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americansteel

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

sagent64 wrote: »

some new players doesnt even know the importance of racial passives maybe giving them chance to change it after learning the game ?

No. Choices have consequences. Live with it or reroll.

It has already been announced that race change is coming to the game as several people have already told you on several other similar threads. I am sorry but your cause is lost.

Or is it?

good one

Toc de Malsvi

Zheg wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

And allowing cherry-picking of racials is something that should NEVER be added to ESO. Period.

Then they should not have drastically changed some racials (looking at you khajiit) from what they were at launch, and they shouldn't have completely upturned the meta at launch by removing soft caps. Frankly, I'd be with you if ZOS hadn't affected the systems so much over the past 2 years through no fault of the player. Just because wrobel can't figure out how to control the meta does not mean players should suffer for a race choice they made in good faith like almost all other games where racials were of minimal importance, remained constant, or received insignificant tweaks throughout the game. They matter SO much in ESO, khajiit has been drastically changed since launch (removed flat crit dmg racial making them the best for magicka), argonians used to have viable potion builds, and +% stat and regen racials used to not matter at all because soft caps were present.

It's really all on ZOS and they are the only ones to be blamed here. Racial changes are necessary simply because ZOS didn't know what they were doing and had to make sweeping changes multiple times throughout the past 2 years.

In a game where pvp, undaunted, and vet levels take mass amounts of grinding, re-rolls are easier said than done, especially for players with limited gaming time.

Ignoring the fact they ZOS has stated that race changes are coming. This is the best argument for race change, claiming that someone should have to stick with their choices is all well and good if the choices they made didn't suddenly become different choices because ZOS wanted to rebalance and change the choice options. Passives have been changed and thus players should have the option to change those passives outside of starting a new character.

theher0not

If they could add this and keep it balanced I would love it (but it should be only buyable with gold to not be p2w). I would really love to be able to play as a khajiit warloc (Siphoning focused magica NB). But I can live with or without racial changes (but Yes I would love to see this since I dislike the idea of "racials" that give power and not only faster leveling since it generally forces me to play a race I don't like for full potential)

Skiserony

AngryNord wrote: »

And allowing cherry-picking of racials is something that should NEVER be added to ESO. Period.

I suppose you run around with a Imperial NB and a Altmer Sorc or a Dunmer DK?

People need the race change, if you have chosen the race in the beginning of the game there were almost no consequences. Now? It does have big consequences.

Murmeltier

AngryNord wrote: »

sagent64 wrote: »

some new players doesnt even know the importance of racial passives maybe giving them chance to change it after learning the game ?

No. Choices have consequences. Live with it or reroll.

Thats so bad, think about the Players who choose their Races before 1.6, they couldnt know that Zos erase the Softcaps.

However, you can be an Angry Nord and tell us all with your Angry Style what do you think it is right or not, at the End Zos will bring this Ingame. So live with it .

MrDerrikk

Murmeltier wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

sagent64 wrote: »

some new players doesnt even know the importance of racial passives maybe giving them chance to change it after learning the game ?

No. Choices have consequences. Live with it or reroll.

Thats so bad, think about the Players who choose their Races before 1.6, they couldnt know that Zos erase the Softcaps.

However, you can be an Angry Nord and tell us all with your Angry Style what do you think it is right or not, at the End Zos will bring this Ingame. So live with it .

He's a Nord though, so he's been done badly by the racial changes too, as Nord racials are quite awful in the current game.

Malmai

AngryNord wrote: »

I can't believe this has never been brought up before over the 1.5 year+ existence of this game...

Because they can't handle it ? Too much code to fix

Iluvrien

The only situation I have sympathy for is the one where people created characters before the Racials changed in 1.6.

Personally I hate the idea of race change as a general mechanic, but would be less grumpy about seeing a one-time use race-change token being mailed to each character (bound) who was started before 1.6.

One change to take care of the people affected by the racials/softcaps change and then.... no more.

Reznique

They will be added 100%, doesnt matter if someone disagrees- racial changes will bring $$$ thus why not

Iluvrien

OLIVI3R wrote: »

They will be added 100%, doesnt matter if someone disagrees- racial changes will bring $$$ thus why not

Why not?

Being a hitman also brings in $$$. Is it a good career?

Some ideas are just plain unpleasant, even when they do bring in money,

Deceptive_Yoshi

I believe they wanted racial passives to be more balanced before they added that feature in.

ADarklore

Pistolera_ESO wrote: »

SERIOUSLY!!! No class change, but stupid race change... typical.

I can understand about no class changes... when you think about it... imagine you are VR16, you switch class, guess what- all your skills are ZERO. Now run around in high level content with no high level skills because you need XP to level them first... and you can't go back to older content because you are too high to gain XP. Originally I wanted class changes too, but then when I thought about it, yeah, it would be pretty much impossible.

pjwb16_ESO

AngryNord wrote: »

I can't believe this has never been brought up before over the 1.5 year+ existence of this game...

it has been suggested by the community lots of times actually :p1

AngryNord

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

I can't believe this has never been brought up before over the 1.5 year+ existence of this game...

it has been suggested by the community lots of times actually :p1

I see irony and sarcasm still are difficult concepts to grasp...

Junkogen

Zheg wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

And allowing cherry-picking of racials is something that should NEVER be added to ESO. Period.

Then they should not have drastically changed some racials (looking at you khajiit) from what they were at launch, and they shouldn't have completely upturned the meta at launch by removing soft caps. Frankly, I'd be with you if ZOS hadn't affected the systems so much over the past 2 years through no fault of the player. Just because wrobel can't figure out how to control the meta does not mean players should suffer for a race choice they made in good faith like almost all other games where racials were of minimal importance, remained constant, or received insignificant tweaks throughout the game. They matter SO much in ESO, khajiit has been drastically changed since launch (removed flat crit dmg racial making them the best for magicka), argonians used to have viable potion builds, and +% stat and regen racials used to not matter at all because soft caps were present.

It's really all on ZOS and they are the only ones to be blamed here. Racial changes are necessary simply because ZOS didn't know what they were doing and had to make sweeping changes multiple times throughout the past 2 years.

In a game where pvp, undaunted, and vet levels take mass amounts of grinding, re-rolls are easier said than done, especially for players with limited gaming time.

Very well put. ZOS refuses to address the racial passive imbalance. The least they can do is offer a race change option. Sadly, they're going to charge crowns to do it even though they're the ones who upended players' choices. They also made the factions imbalanced, as well. Now the AD and DC have way better racial advantages than EP. EP has the Dunmer and Nords make good tanks. Otherwise, the other factions' races offer much more versatility and stronger advantages. Wrobel has his work cut out for him for sure. If he'll even take on the issue.

ADarklore

Junkogen wrote: »

They also made the factions imbalanced, as well. Now the AD and DC have way better racial advantages than EP. EP has the Dunmer and Nords make good tanks. Otherwise, the other factions' races offer much more versatility and stronger advantages. Wrobel has his work cut out for him for sure. If he'll even take on the issue.

There is a reason they created the Adventurer's Pack... any race, any alliance.

Junkogen

ADarklore wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

They also made the factions imbalanced, as well. Now the AD and DC have way better racial advantages than EP. EP has the Dunmer and Nords make good tanks. Otherwise, the other factions' races offer much more versatility and stronger advantages. Wrobel has his work cut out for him for sure. If he'll even take on the issue.

There is a reason they created the Adventurer's Pack... any race, any alliance.

Yeah,but what if you want to play the races in your alliance. I don't know. I think they should balance the factions better, but they made all these decisions back when there were soft caps and the game played a lot differently. They just can't seem to dig themselves out of their initial whole. It's like they've been redesigning the whole game little by little but the players who happened to not win the character creation lottery have suffered. I should have waited to start playing a year knowing that this type of stuff always happens in MMOs. It takes forever to get the game anywhere close to something balanced. Changes create more problems as the new elements don't work well with the remnants of the original game design.

KramUzibra

AngryNord wrote: »

And allowing cherry-picking of racials is something that should NEVER be added to ESO. Period.

They have already confirmed it during an episode of eso live. When the barber shop get implemented you will be able to change your facial and body appearance, dimensions and race.

KramUzibra

Pistolera_ESO wrote: »

SERIOUSLY!!! No class change, but stupid race change... typical.

Class change wouldn't make sense. You would loose all ability progression. If your going to start over with all new abilities why not just reroll.

Reevster

Sad thing is, that some players think that a race change will make them better players...lol... um no..if you suck with the current race you have you will suck with a different race as well.

Ra'Shtar

I wouldn't stop being a khajiit templar healer not even for free, screw racials.

vyrusb23

No.

Kalante

As a new player i chose dk nord and fully leveled it up to v14 trough pve. Never realized that nord was one of the worst races for pvp. I mainly do pvp nowadays. Like none of the top players use nord. I am screwd unless i make a new character which i am and i think it's a punishment.