This game needs an economy stimulant right meow

Tors

Makkir wrote: »

3) Remove Siege from the PvP vendors and instead make it player crafted.

Great idea!

Makkir wrote: »

Thank you for your time

Your Welcome

Catblade

I turned up for the meows. Also i stopped using guild shops completely because greed. Lower your prices maybe and stop being so damn greedy. I'll also show any player how to go out and get what they need themselves f guild traders

Draxys

What economy?

Brrrofski

Maybe your sales are down because most people got the stuff they need?

I haven't bought something from a guild store in weeks.

I have stockpiles of stuff I may need and in a guild that members swap stuff with others.

I have little to no use for guild stores anymore

Tors

Brrrofski wrote: »

Maybe your sales are down because most people got the stuff they need?

I haven't bought something from a guild store in weeks.

I have stockpiles of stuff I may need and in a guild that members swap stuff with others.

I have little to no use for guild stores anymore

Which is the entire point the OP was making.....

Khaos_Bane

The economy needs to improve in general, not just for PvP. The OP looks like all PvP suggestions.

The real problem here is BoP and RNG in PvE AND PvP content.

Makkir

Zerok wrote: »

Now, is deflation a bad thing? It depends for whom. A poor player will be able to purchase stuff it couldn't have otherwise. A rich player will make less money, but his current cash will provide a bigger purchasing power.

It's bad when there is A LOT of gold already in the economy. Deflation isn't bad for sellers when it comes to consumables because at some point in time the "consumed" comes back into demand again. The problem is BoP gear, and the fact BoE gear doesn't deteriorate with time (it's not consumed) and with only 2 or 3 traits really being in demand, once I acquire those pieces I never have to buy again. So someone who exclusively sells gear loses all those customers permanently once they acquire their armor, until the next expac or gear tier is introduced that is. The same could be said about someone who sells motifs. Imagine an ESO where you needed a Deadric Motif every time you crafted Daedric armor. In the current system this would be unimaginably painful due to the drop rate of the Daedric motif. But then imagine the drop rate were increased by 90%, which would drastically reduce the price, however it would be in constant demand. Hell I would even suggest a chance to find the style motif when deconning items. So over a span of a year you would make more money selling multiple motifs to everyone who is crafting versus selling it once to someone who will no longer need it once they have it learned.

Imagine an ESO where once your armor reaches 0 durability it breaks completely and becomes vendor trash (Like armor in Star Wars Galaxies did). In other words, it becomes consumed. In the current game this would not work at all, but if the gear was easier to craft and obtain to the point where a v16 Arch Mage Robe cost, say, 2k on average, then it would work because replacing gear would only be an inconvenience in terms or time, not cost. But the benefit is creating a more fluid economy. Constantly items coming in, constant items coming out. What we have now is constant items coming in, not a whole lot going out. Very tight bottle neck.

Lastly consider this game doesn't boast the 7 million subscribers some other MMO might have....so your consumers aren't exactly in an unlimited supply.

The suggestions I offered in the OP, while they don't need to be limited to PvP or PvE, simply find ways to increase demand on existing items in the game which I believe is the root of the problem.


Edits- Fixed grammatical errors driving my OCD bonkers.

Makkir

Brrrofski wrote: »

Maybe your sales are down because most people got the stuff they need?

I haven't bought something from a guild store in weeks.

I have stockpiles of stuff I may need and in a guild that members swap stuff with others.

I have little to no use for guild stores anymore

I love the comments from the ones who completely missed the point.

That was exactly my point. Thanks for wasting bandwidth though.

Xjcon

So is the point that Elder traders online isn't fun for you anymore?

Dualrifle

Well, people still trading around, it's just that because of the "tax" cut when you put stuff on guild trader, I know more on more people resort to shouting. Other than that I think people try to sell them at higher prices that it should be.

I know for one that when gold tempers and stuff are not as expensive, some of us can still afford to buy it.
Now, with all those "reseller" and people who want to be rich quickly, we would just rather use purple stuff.... The bonus is not a game changer anyway. And looking at how gear is constantly updated it is really not worth it to upgrade to gold gear unless you are a hardcore player. Or very lucky player who got lucky with their loot.

At most I can make these days doing writs and pledge for everyday is probably around 6-7k, if my crafted stuff sells I can get like 2-5k more. I play like 3-4 hours daily and not on prime time. So maybe my experience is not necessarily useful as comparison

DaveMoeDee

Not sure why I should care if economy tanks. Why does that matter?

I have bought a few things from guild traders. 100% of my nirnhoned research was from items I bought from guild traders. I also once traveled to every guild trader to check out prices on Footman pieces and then bought what I needed.

I doubt I would ever repeat what I did on Footman. Buying stuff takes too much effort for me to bother with it unless I really need something -- which is incredibly rare due to my casual relationship with the game.

Bartdude

Makkir wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Maybe your sales are down because most people got the stuff they need?

I haven't bought something from a guild store in weeks.

I have stockpiles of stuff I may need and in a guild that members swap stuff with others.

I have little to no use for guild stores anymore

I love the comments from the ones who completely missed the point.

That was exactly my point. Thanks for wasting bandwidth though.

And maybe it has something to do with over inflated prices? it wouldn't shock me if some guild traders have been buying everything up cheap in the hopes of creating a monopoly. if i'm correct then I would say it's having the opposite effect than what they intended. I for one would rather go and farm for tempering alloy etc than pay stupidly high prices from a guild trader.

Rebeccas04nub18_ESO

I've been noticing the same problem, my stuff isn't selling. I'm getting more and more expired items even when the price is reasonable. I can sell alchemy ingredients and tempers, maybe top level potions and food but that's about it. I got an Ancient Elf motif back from the guild store and I priced it well below what they are supposed to be bringing. It seems to me that what we really need is an influx of new players to buy our wares.

NoMoreChillies

Bind on Pickup

not a single person likes it
its destroying the economy
getting gear you will never use, never sell and break down for peanuts is insane.

remove it please

ADarklore

Bartdude wrote: »

And maybe it has something to do with over inflated prices? it wouldn't shock me if some guild traders have been buying everything up cheap in the hopes of creating a monopoly. if i'm correct then I would say it's having the opposite effect than what they intended. I for one would rather go and farm for tempering alloy etc than pay stupidly high prices from a guild trader.

Ah yes, I've seen this happen on certain Traders... last week I was looking for Warlock V12 rings... found a couple of traders selling them for roughly 25K but I didn't have the gold then. I go back this week... now they're selling for 500K+ in Traders in the same location. Perhaps people could make money if they didn't try to rob others out of a sense of greed... a game economy works well when players can buy what they need at reasonable prices. I often wonder how many players have left the game because they see prices of some items and think that they'll never be able to acquire enough gold to ever get what they want?

Volkodav

The one thing that would help would get rid of BoP. Period.

Desommettor

A General Auction House would allow for the economic change this game needs. The guild traders make it to where solo players have no real way to make money other than selling everything to the merchants. Making guild traders rich and everyone else poor. This is especially needed for Console who has no chat and without guild traders have to talk over other people in chat to sell. A general Auction House would allow everyone to have easy access to sell to other players as well as make it harder for people to buy out guild traders and raise prices by re-submitting them at a higher margin. The Auction House would also allow access to lower level materials. New players are really the only ones who are getting lots of low level mats but are not members of guilds. So we find a ton of vet plus mats in guild traders and no 1-50. A general Auction House would correct this problem.

DannyLV702

I only clicked for the meow

Makkir

Desommettor wrote: »

A General Auction House would allow for the economic change this game needs. .

It absolutely would not. There are several Auction House discussions on this forum already. Check them out, I have already made arguments in those threads.

Solariken

Bravo, OP! Such great ideas here.

silky_soft

You know what would help the economy? Rubedo leather, kuta and yellow tempers. Also purple HP and 2 regen food/drinks.

MrDerrikk

@Desommettor

Obligatory link:

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept/p1

Vangy

I can only speak from a personal perspective regarding this matter. A few things happened and one led to another causing a slow down of sales;

1. BOP gear
2. Trials not scales to 16 making v14 boe gear worthless
3. People acquiring what they need and therefore not buying stuff anymore


What this means is that most people already have what they want. Consumables are always in demand but the thing is, 80% of the people here are maybe casuals like me. I had 1.2 million stocked but with v16 and upgrading of both my toons to Gold gear and enchants and the will power and agility set I'm down to 400k. Normally I wouldn't think twice about buying a stack of columbine for making tripots but now, there is virtually no way for me to make money making the money I have precious. I'm not gona pay 320g a Pop for columbine lol. A vast majority of players know where to farm it and nowadays I just set aside 30 mins every weekend to get columbine. So that's one example. Things like potent nincrux etc I get them from guildies who sell it to me for 10k vs the 21k in guild stores. I know a couple of irl friends who stopped buying things off Traders and have built up a network of friends who supply each other with what we need at a fraction of the price that is in guild stores.

So in short, everyone is feeling the pinch with bop system being implemented. So stop being greedy. Drop prices. And there will be buyers. I got my robust ring of agility for 120k. The same guy had been posting in Rawl kha that he wanted to sell it for 250k. I told him no the first time and after 2 weeks he was still posting and I gave him my offer of 120 and he said yes. There are buyers. Just not at the crAzy prices you guys are posting them for.

Makkir

@Vangy The problem is clearly stated in my OP. The problem isn't over priced items. There's an addon called Master Merchant that clearly reflects that. The prices on all popular items have been steadily dropping for weeks now. People already have the items, so the demand is decreasing. Refer to my comment about Ancestor Silk. Prices will always match demand. When IC released there was a higher demand on the v16 mats than there is today, and the prices reflected that. Prices are falling because everyone has his/her v16 crafted set now so there's no reason to spend loads of gold on more mats.

An "over priced" item sits in the Trade store for 30 days until it's returned to the seller and relisted at a lower price. In fact, an item is worth what consumers are willing to pay for it. There is no such thing as greedy or over priced items in this game. What Martin Shkreli has done is greedy. If I was THE only person who had access to Ancestor Silk, then you can call me greedy and over priced. But if I can continually sell stacks for 200k/stack then there is no reason to drop prices until they stop selling at that price, especially since everyone has access to acquiring ancestor silk. The next guy is very welcome to list his stack for 100k.

In essence, the problem with the in game economy is you have 1 million people running towards a door that is only 3 feet wide.

Makkir

silky_soft wrote: »

You know what would help the economy? Rubedo leather, kuta and yellow tempers. Also purple HP and 2 regen food/drinks.

In all seriousness, I think the drop rates from deconns were stealth nerfed or just bugged. I get so few tempers now from refining versus months ago.

Holycannoli

Without an AH I simply do not bother. I'm not running around to guild traders looking for what I might want. I honestly don't see how others can waste their precious gaming time doing so.

Makkir

Holycannoli wrote: »

Without an AH I simply do not bother. I'm not running around to guild traders looking for what I might want. I honestly don't see how others can waste their precious gaming time doing so.

I didn't realize your time was more precious than someone who enjoys the "commerce" aspect of the game.
I mean, that's like asking ZOS to remove emotes because you personally think RPing is a waste of time.

Bartdude

Yes a lot of players probably have there v16 mats now but the main reason for that is Orsinium, most PVE players waited for it's release because they didn't want to go to IC and get ganked or pay high prices for the mats from guild traders. IMO that's the real reason the prices for v16 mats have dropped. this thread is a good read too:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/236573/to-whoever-is-tampering-with-the-ps4-market#latest

Holycannoli

Makkir wrote: »

I didn't realize your time was more precious than someone who enjoys the "commerce" aspect of the game.
I mean, that's like asking ZOS to remove emotes because you personally think RPing is a waste of time.

I enjoy commerce in a game, I just don't enjoy having to spend so much time running around trying to find what I want. It's tedious, annoying and an unnecessary waste of time.

I mean hell even in Everquest 16 years ago we didn't have to run around, we just gathered in the EC tunnel and socialized while we were trading. 16 years ago and we still had a better trading system than ESO.

GreenSoup2HoT

We have nothing to sell.....

wheres the pvp set's? there is hardly any worth selling thats why. i miss shadowwalker days and morang tong etc