Nerf Sorcerers NOW

Catblade

Sorc is the only class i know that can melt face and not take a bit of damage. That being said leave them alone shield nerf was enough

Anzriel

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Um don't you mean nerf NBs. Cause out of the 4 classes Sorcerers sure some are OP but they seem at a decent spot right now.

NB's are too, in that Stam and Magicka are reasonably equal and have unique and good points for each. The other classes just need to be balanced around these two classes.

Personally I'd say stamina NB seems better than magicka in most magicka NBs in pvp, magicka seems better to me in most pve situations. I'd say balancing classes around being at magicka NBs level would be a decent place to start. I'm no expert though.

CavalierPrime

I resent the l2p stuff. Sure this was a vMSA winner playing his pet sorc character against me. He is a good sorc, but I guarantee he isnt better in a vacuum. Ive been playing games since I was 5 (28 now), and I've watched another thousand hours of eso videos to match my thousand hours on my dk. I have a college degree from a top 100 university. This guy just had my number in this specific instance, and its clear his abilities weren't meant to be exploited like that. Hence why im calling for a nerf. He won the fight before it started and its not fair.

LBxFinalDeath

The real victims here are the Templars...they statistically have 0% chance of beating a good Sorc in a 1v1 scenario.

Wollust

CavalierPrime wrote: »

I resent the l2p stuff. Sure this was a vMSA winner playing his pet sorc character against me. He is a good sorc, but I guarantee he isnt better in a vacuum. Ive been playing games since I was 5 (28 now), and I've watched another thousand hours of eso videos to match my thousand hours on my dk. I have a college degree from a top 100 university. This guy just had my number in this specific instance, and its clear his abilities weren't meant to be exploited like that. Hence why im calling for a nerf. He won the fight before it started and its not fair.

Yeah, I'd say that's a l2p issue

Catblade

Anzriel wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Um don't you mean nerf NBs. Cause out of the 4 classes Sorcerers sure some are OP but they seem at a decent spot right now.

NB's are too, in that Stam and Magicka are reasonably equal and have unique and good points for each. The other classes just need to be balanced around these two classes.

Personally I'd say stamina NB seems better than magicka in most magicka NBs in pvp, magicka seems better to me in most pve situations. I'd say balancing classes around being at magicka NBs level would be a decent place to start. I'm no expert though.

Stam NB is amazing for burst but for sustain and decent dmg i vote magika. In a group setting my stamblade is what i pick every time but if i need to solo (which is very often) I prefer magika

JaJaLuka

SirDopey wrote: »

JaJaLuka wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Mag DK with end game equipment and stats has a 0% chance to beat a mag Sorc 1v1. What kind of absurdity allows him to stay at full health and shields through a dragon leap and multiple flame lashes? He did more damage to himself by bouncing medium attacks off my reflective scales than I did with an ultimate plus multiple hits with my highest damage spell. Its absurd.
I WASTED ALMOST 1,000 HOURS ON THIS CHARACTER.

I recommend you have a look at your build first and maybe link it here before calling for a nerf, nerfing only damages the game. That's how we ended up with this mess.
One the other hand, it's DK's that need a buff, sorcs don't need a nerf, at least not directly anyway. I've been saying I'd prefer shields to replace each other instead of stack, but that's another topic entirely about proper balance and yes my main is a sorc. Sorcs used to be the worst class to play in PvP, it would suck to see them back in that place again.

LOL when were Sorces the worst class to play in PVP? I've played this game since April 2014 and I can never remember them being the WORST class???????

I've played since launch, all classes. There was a time when sorcs were pretty terrible.

AzraelKrieg

CavalierPrime wrote: »

I resent the l2p stuff. Sure this was a vMSA winner playing his pet sorc character against me. He is a good sorc, but I guarantee he isnt better in a vacuum. Ive been playing games since I was 5 (28 now), and I've watched another thousand hours of eso videos to match my thousand hours on my dk. I have a college degree from a top 100 university. This guy just had my number in this specific instance, and its clear his abilities weren't meant to be exploited like that. Hence why im calling for a nerf. He won the fight before it started and its not fair.

Definitely a l2p thing. He didn't win the fight before it started, you lost it before it started because you thought you could go head on with a class that is currently uber defensive. You played to his strengths. Just because you've been playing games since you were 5 (So have I but that's beside the point), watched "thousands" of hours worth of ESO videos to match your "thousands" of hours of DK playtime, and a degree from a "Top 100" university you expect a class you don't play because you made the choice not to play to get nerfed because one guy used the skills he has in a way that made his build effective against yours. You're a DK. If a sorc has shields on chances are they're magicka based which means you should buffing yourself and reflect projectiles back at them until the bubble bursts. Do DKs need a buff? Yes. Do sorcs need a nerf? No. Do you need to learn to play and stop thinking that just because you've been gaming for a long time, watched lots of videos and have degree? HELL YES!

Casering

I agree on the buff DK idea I was pretty mad about something similar earlier got my butt kicked by a sorc with wards DK just seems pretty lame atm needs a bit of damage buffs on the skills DK seems more of a support class crap in a 1v1 but decent in a swarm with night blades and other classes either way the DK should be adjusted for the pvp for at the moment it takes a special snowflake to make it work and blatantly most of us are not one of them

runagate

CavalierPrime

I won't be trolled. I will toke the 420 and let all your l2p roll off my back. So maybe this sorc was special. Maybe he has fought many DK and had the right medicine for our tactics. Do all sorcs deserve to be nerfed because one top-flight sorc gave me the business? YES. The greatest sorcs represent the class as a whole. Im not demanding that my Dragon Leap, Talons,and whips should have killed him. But it should have at least moved his health bar a little bit.

AzraelKrieg

Not all DKs fight the same. But judging from the skills you did exactly what I thought you did. You tried to brute-force through a shield stack. The fact he beat you is no surprise. Hell, a NB would have struggled but a DK that is set up for magicka should have done far better than what you did. You lost because you don't know how to play against his build. He won not because of an exploit but because you didn't think of using skills that would have given you an advantage. Best way to beat a defensive sorc as a DK is to be defensive. Use Talons to lock them down, Chains to close the gap, Reflective Scales to knock back his projectiles and use light attacks to cut down the shields. As you said, he cleared vMSA so he knows class and he know his build. It's pretty evident you don't.

azoriangaming

I agree magicka dk needs a buff in pvp.

As for sorcs needing a nerf noooooo they're perfectly fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vKw_7lzRrQ

CavalierPrime

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Not all DKs fight the same. But judging from the skills you did exactly what I thought you did. You tried to brute-force through a shield stack. The fact he beat you is no surprise. Hell, a NB would have struggled but a DK that is set up for magicka should have done far better than what you did. You lost because you don't know how to play against his build. He won not because of an exploit but because you didn't think of using skills that would have given you an advantage. Best way to beat a defensive sorc as a DK is to be defensive. Use Talons to lock them down, Chains to close the gap, Reflective Scales to knock back his projectiles and use light attacks to cut down the shields. As you said, he cleared vMSA so he knows class and he know his build. It's pretty evident you don't.

I did reflect his stuff. I unleashed damage for a sustained period of time, and it wasn't until he added to my damage with his own reflected spells did his bar even start slipping below 100%. But a couple button presses later and he was back with a million point damage shield. Thats my beef. This wasn't the first time I have been killed in pvp, but this one disturbed me enough to make a forum thread because of these shield exploits. He and I are both supposed to be mages and this violates the flavor and lore of the game. Now I have to find an opposing alliance sorc and basically memorize every skill in the game by visual cues, even those from the other classes. I dont want a game as simplistic as Battlefront, I like the complexity, but theres a limit.

KingYogi415

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Mag DK with end game equipment and stats has a 0% chance to beat a mag Sorc 1v1. What kind of absurdity allows him to stay at full health and shields through a dragon leap and multiple flame lashes? He did more damage to himself by bouncing medium attacks off my reflective scales than I did with an ultimate plus multiple hits with my highest damage spell. Its absurd.
I WASTED ALMOST 1,000 HOURS ON THIS CHARACTER.

well start another,
by the time you level up your sorc the meta will have changed and dk might be back on top.

yah DK's are just tanks right now. bout it bud

damtotb16_ESO

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Wow this post... *grabs food and drink" Right.. replies should be good

haha

Septimus_Magna

What spells killed you?

As a DK you're able to reflect most spells back which should give you a huge advantage.
Harness magicka also absorbs all sorc dmg so use it in combination with igneous shield and healing ward to pop back to full health quickly.

Streak, Curse and Daedric Mines are the only sorcs spells that can hit through reflective scales so you should be able to sustain with the 3 shields described above.

damtotb16_ESO

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Mag DK with end game equipment and stats has a 0% chance to beat a mag Sorc 1v1. What kind of absurdity allows him to stay at full health and shields through a dragon leap and multiple flame lashes? He did more damage to himself by bouncing medium attacks off my reflective scales than I did with an ultimate plus multiple hits with my highest damage spell. Its absurd.
I WASTED ALMOST 1,000 HOURS ON THIS CHARACTER.

Hey m8,
maybe you should recpecc to stamina at the moment?
I play stamina DK with sw&board and 2 hand mace setup and it feels solid vs all classes including sorc.
You certainly did not waste your time on DK!

TheBull

Typical Magicka DK vs Sorc. DK=1,000,000 dmg done, 850k absorbed, 15+ mins.

PrinceBoru

Nerf it No Buff it No Nerf it No buff it No nerf it no Buff it yadda yadda etc

Sharee

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Here another tip for you, Magicka Sorcs dont have enough stamina. They can CC break 3-4 times before they are completely out of stamina, therefore rendering them stuck on the ground.

Unless of course the magicka sorc has ~800 stam regen(which isn't all that hard to get nowadays). Then he will regen back the stamina he used to CC break before he needs to break again, effectively never running out of stamina for CC breaking.

Troneon

Sorcs and NB's are silly OP at the moment...

Not changing anytime soon.

Mettaricana

JamieAubrey wrote: »

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dRudE

I understand OP's frustration, a mag DK is the hardest class for a sorc to 1v1 due to the DK being able to perma reflect a lot of the sorcs DPS, so falling to that sorc must have been due to a mistake in rotation or class building technique.

I agree absolutely that mag DK's could do with some spice right about now but they can hand a sorc his comeuppance when played correctly.

Jultzy

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Hey OP...this game was not balanced around 1v1 or PvP for that matter. Welcome to MMOs this MMO.

Fixed that for you.

Other MMO developers know how to properly design and balance for PvP.

@MisterBigglesworth I know blizzard and their world of warcraft aint one of them. Care to name any that does that?

TheShadowScout

I had my dragonknight experience a while back sorcering in cyrodil... two fights against the same DK, one which went really badly for me as everything was reflected, and the second going well as I completely changed my loadout and went with unreflectable stuff. Now I have the second as permanent secondary weapon, in an "In case of DK, switch to..." kind of way...

So, it very much depends on your ability selection from the sorc side.

As for those permashielded supersorcs, yeah, I met them on my NB a few times. Respawn every time, all the fabled NB gankpower never got me past their shields... its a bit annoying, but in such cases, the best thing to do IMO is just acknowledge there are way better PvPlayers then me, and move on...

Tyrion87

I'm just curious what kind of impulse prompts people to build their chars as magicka-nightblade, magicka-dragonknight, stamina-sorcerer... It's even out of logic! What kind of inflicting physical damage heros (warriors, knights, fighters, even assassins or thieves) rely on magicka instead of stamina? It could happen only in ESO... If you decided to create such a ridiculous and irrational char, you should be aware of its weaknesses. For me it should be always weaker (not worse, but weaker) than a traditional e.g. magicka based sorcerer - it should be always more challenging and suited for more experienced players who, in that case, need to rely on nothing but technique and strategy.

Brrrofski

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I'm just curious what kind of impulse prompts people to build their chars as magicka-nightblade, magicka-dragonknight, stamina-sorcerer... It's even out of logic! What kind of inflicting physical damage heros (warriors, knights, fighters, even assassins or thieves) rely on magicka instead of stamina? It could happen only in ESO... If you decided to create such a ridiculous and irrational char, you should be aware of its weaknesses. For me it should be always weaker (not worse, but weaker) than a traditional e.g. magicka based sorcerer - it should be always more challenging and suited for more experienced players who, in that case, need to rely on nothing but technique and strategy.

Completely flawed logic.

They are all pretty powerful

The two left behind are magica DKs and Templars. Mainly but to lack of burst without magica det.

Stam sorc and stam templars wreck face with a good build.

Tonnopesce

remilafo wrote: »

The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist:

☑ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?

You forgot the Buff Argonian passives and the Class change.

Tankqull

since 1.6 mana classes can´t kill each other anyway...