Nerf Sorcerers NOW

MisterBigglesworth

Makkir wrote: »

Hey OP...this game was not balanced around 1v1 or PvP for that matter. Welcome to MMOs this MMO.

Fixed that for you.

Other MMO developers know how to properly design and balance for PvP.

JaJaLuka

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Mag DK with end game equipment and stats has a 0% chance to beat a mag Sorc 1v1. What kind of absurdity allows him to stay at full health and shields through a dragon leap and multiple flame lashes? He did more damage to himself by bouncing medium attacks off my reflective scales than I did with an ultimate plus multiple hits with my highest damage spell. Its absurd.
I WASTED ALMOST 1,000 HOURS ON THIS CHARACTER.

I recommend you have a look at your build first and maybe link it here before calling for a nerf, nerfing only damages the game. That's how we ended up with this mess.
One the other hand, it's DK's that need a buff, sorcs don't need a nerf, at least not directly anyway. I've been saying I'd prefer shields to replace each other instead of stack, but that's another topic entirely about proper balance and yes my main is a sorc. Sorcs used to be the worst class to play in PvP, it would suck to see them back in that place again.

SirDopey

JaJaLuka wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Mag DK with end game equipment and stats has a 0% chance to beat a mag Sorc 1v1. What kind of absurdity allows him to stay at full health and shields through a dragon leap and multiple flame lashes? He did more damage to himself by bouncing medium attacks off my reflective scales than I did with an ultimate plus multiple hits with my highest damage spell. Its absurd.
I WASTED ALMOST 1,000 HOURS ON THIS CHARACTER.

I recommend you have a look at your build first and maybe link it here before calling for a nerf, nerfing only damages the game. That's how we ended up with this mess.
One the other hand, it's DK's that need a buff, sorcs don't need a nerf, at least not directly anyway. I've been saying I'd prefer shields to replace each other instead of stack, but that's another topic entirely about proper balance and yes my main is a sorc. Sorcs used to be the worst class to play in PvP, it would suck to see them back in that place again.

LOL when were Sorces the worst class to play in PVP? I've played this game since April 2014 and I can never remember them being the WORST class???????

Spliffo

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Its easy defeating sorcerers with a dk. Learn to play

^^this. 1000 hours spent on the best class to counter a magicka Sorc and you still cry for them to be nerfed, just reroll a new class man magicka DK wasn't ment for you

PainfulFAFA

Valrien wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

I'm not one to call nerf, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'd be happy to see a cap put on Overload ulti. Maybe limit it to build it up to a max of 2000 or something simply to stop the people that build it up to a redonkulous level then go on a pvp frenzy....

That would double the uses of overload...

Posts from console player are always a good read lol!

How does a Magicka DK with reflecive scales have a hard time fighting off a fotm (flavor of the month) Sorc whose offense consists of projectiles and ranged abilities? Magicka DKs may not have the burst but you will reflect everything back at him. Once you see him vulnerable then you can pounce on him.

Here another tip for you, Magicka Sorcs dont have enough stamina. They can CC break 3-4 times before they are completely out of stamina, therefore rendering them stuck on the ground.

Luigi_Vampa

Kammakazi wrote: »

Magicka DKs are the bottom of the chain right meow..

Just play defensive.

Use 1H&S and constantly use Invasion whenever his/her immunity is off. Talons, Whip Whip Whip Nae Nae, Dragonfire Scales, Talons, repeat.

Reminds me of two DKs I used to see run around named Watch me Whip and Watch me Nae Nae.

daemonios

SirDopey wrote: »

I'm not one to call nerf, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'd be happy to see a cap put on Overload ulti. Maybe limit it to build it up to a max of 2000 or something simply to stop the people that build it up to a redonkulous level then go on a pvp frenzy....

Wait... Are you under the impression that sorcs can just overload forever? The maximum ultimate is the same for all classes: 1000. If I choose to top it up and save it for overload, I forego the chance to cast anywhere between 4 and more than 10 ultimates, depending on the cost. For the same cost of a cheap ultimate, I can overload maybe all of 2 seconds.

Trade-offs. This game has them.

JD2013

The general council of nerfs have deliberated on your request.

They said no.

Sorry. Higher power and all that.

PBpsy

If a mod doesn't delete this thread I swear I will do something MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DannyLV702

SirDopey wrote: »

I'm not one to call nerf, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'd be happy to see a cap put on Overload ulti. Maybe limit it to build it up to a max of 2000 or something simply to stop the people that build it up to a redonkulous level then go on a pvp frenzy....

Are you asking them to buff us??? Yes pls!!!

a1x23

i just literally lol'd at this

eliisra

Spliffo wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Its easy defeating sorcerers with a dk. Learn to play

^^this. 1000 hours spent on the best class to counter a magicka Sorc and you still cry for them to be nerfed, just reroll a new class man magicka DK wasn't ment for you

Sorry...but if you're dying 1v1 to magicka DK's as a magicka sorc, than you suck on so many levels.

I'm mediocre on sorc and there's still no way in hell I would die to either a magicka DK or magplar. It's just not possible, unless I go afk.

Just refresh your shields and stop Overload/CF derping on scales? By only following those simple steps, you have a 100% chance of not getting killed by a magicka DK.

DK's can kill sorc's pretty easy sure, but that requires a stamina DK, not magicka. Even more easy if you combine with Shield Breaker.

pronkg

SirDopey wrote: »

JaJaLuka wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Mag DK with end game equipment and stats has a 0% chance to beat a mag Sorc 1v1. What kind of absurdity allows him to stay at full health and shields through a dragon leap and multiple flame lashes? He did more damage to himself by bouncing medium attacks off my reflective scales than I did with an ultimate plus multiple hits with my highest damage spell. Its absurd.
I WASTED ALMOST 1,000 HOURS ON THIS CHARACTER.

I recommend you have a look at your build first and maybe link it here before calling for a nerf, nerfing only damages the game. That's how we ended up with this mess.
One the other hand, it's DK's that need a buff, sorcs don't need a nerf, at least not directly anyway. I've been saying I'd prefer shields to replace each other instead of stack, but that's another topic entirely about proper balance and yes my main is a sorc. Sorcs used to be the worst class to play in PvP, it would suck to see them back in that place again.

LOL when were Sorces the worst class to play in PVP? I've played this game since April 2014 and I can never remember them being the WORST class???????

The period where every class was running around with restoration staffs.
Sorc was pretty weak when caps were still there

Makkir

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Hey OP...this game was not balanced around 1v1 or PvP for that matter. Welcome to MMOs this MMO.

Fixed that for you.

Other MMO developers know how to properly design and balance for PvP.

I am listening. And don't you dare mention WoW. They had countless overhauls to their PvP trying to balance it without upsetting PvE. They're in fact drastically changing it again for the upcoming Legion expac.

No fantasy MMO ever balances classes around PvP, ever. The drastic majority of the paying player base are PvE'ers. The truth is, a seemingly increasing number of young players get killed in the game and immediately run to the forums to cry for nerfs because they live in this paradigm that the entire game revolves around PvP without considering that making a change to an "OP" ability would change the PvE experience for the larger population of customers(Take all the posts crying for nerfs on Healing Ward, for example, which is the staple heal for a Sorc). I am playing devil's advocate here, because I am about 95% a PvP guy...I just know better at this point in my "mmo career."

Makkir

SirDopey wrote: »

LOL when were Sorces the worst class to play in PVP? I've played this game since April 2014 and I can never remember them being the WORST class???????

The answer to which is the worst class varies depending on the player you ask. Truth is, every class and build has it's kyrptonite.

seedubsrun

It must be really frustrating to make a modern game. I remember when a game would come out and what it was is what you got. No updates, no DLC, no buffs/nerfs. You just play it or don't. There's literally thousands of people that come here to complain every week. I'll bet Zos has in house therapy because of the forums.

MaxwellC

Lol people saying it's easy to beat a sorc and L2P. I give you this yeah it's easy after you break through their shield stacks multiple times (as a DK), I'm stamina based and it's a pain especially when the sorc hides behind his/her mines while spamming det,curse, and frags all while having shields stack upon their health. So much fun trying to use DoTs or crit a shield stacker because both are rendered useless against them.

I'm not for nerfing sorcs they just need to re-attach my clipped wings because it's horrible. (Thinking about "When your legs don't work like they use to no more" song, replace that with wings for us DKs).

pronkg

seedubsrun wrote: »

It must be really frustrating to make a modern game. I remember when a game would come out and what it was is what you got. No updates, no DLC, no buffs/nerfs. You just play it or don't. There's literally thousands of people that come here to complain every week. I'll bet Zos has in house therapy because of the forums.

They probably only have one rule, don't ever get involved in a discussion!

And people wonder why they never respond lol

Catblade

Dk is just plain horrible. Don't listen to the people saying it's not reroll anything else

mlstevens42_ESO

How about learn to play before you come here and whine. I know it is hard to understand but just because you got a capped out character did not automatically make you a deity minor or major. It really doesn't matter how long or hard it was to get where you are with a character unless you learned how to utilize it properly. Another thing might be hard for some to learn is that player skill is not always equal. Some people are just going to be better. Yes folks ya heard it here first there are some you may not ever be able to beat. Not because they have more cp's or vastly better gear stats or what not but because they are just more skilled, better reactions or whatever. There is no shame in losing.

The shame is the constant barrage of I didn't win so that means they cheated or are over powered so nerf them. Each class has it's strengths and weaknesses. Learn what yours are so you can counter theirs that is the whole name of the game.

Dakrana_Thrazvoth

Nerf this thread.

Unstable.Pixel

Damn.. this thing is still going?

MisterBigglesworth

Makkir wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Hey OP...this game was not balanced around 1v1 or PvP for that matter. Welcome to MMOs this MMO.

Fixed that for you.

Other MMO developers know how to properly design and balance for PvP.

I am listening. And don't you dare mention WoW. They had countless overhauls to their PvP trying to balance it without upsetting PvE. They're in fact drastically changing it again for the upcoming Legion expac.

Actually I was thinking about GW2. They equalize all the stats and unlock all your abilities for PvP.

But I'm also familar with the upcoming PvP changes for WoW. They're "promising" there will only be a maximum 7% power difference based on your gear in PvP. Should be interesting. Certainly a lot more fair than ESO.

Oh, and concerning:

making a change to an "OP" ability would change the PvE experience for the larger population of customers

Blizzard is also making a separate talent system specifically for PvP. Abilities will behave differently in competitive PvP in order to not negatively affect PVE.

It took them 12 years but they finally did what people were asking them to do all along.

MrDerrikk

I had an "OP" Magicka Sorc in PvP and I never killed another player with it ever. It's entirely a L2P issue.

That said, Magicka DK's are in desperate need of a buff. At the moment the only reason I made one is because I like to set things on fire.

Skinzz

Buff nightblades

Yolokin_Swagonborn

It looks like all four classes need a nerf. Here are some recent threads.

Sorcerer
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234824/please-nerf-crystal-fragments-update/p1


Templar
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/214148/is-anything-going-to-be-done-about-puncturing-strikes/p1

DragonKnight
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234221/and-people-say-dragoknights-aint-op-i-say-nerf-them-guy-doesnt-take-no-damage-from-focused-aim/p1


I tried searching for Nerf NB threads but I ran out of detect pots.


The Root of the Problem...

radiostar

JamieAubrey wrote: »

YOU GET A NERF
YOU GET A NERF
EVERYTHING GETS A NERF

LOL, have to add the Oprah giffy to that

But no! Do not nerf Sorcs yet. I haven't played that class yet and I was looking forward to some FUN, Z!

MrDerrikk

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

It looks like all four classes need a nerf. Here are some recent threads.

Sorcerer
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234824/please-nerf-crystal-fragments-update/p1


Templar
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/214148/is-anything-going-to-be-done-about-puncturing-strikes/p1

DragonKnight
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234221/and-people-say-dragoknights-aint-op-i-say-nerf-them-guy-doesnt-take-no-damage-from-focused-aim/p1


I tried searching for Nerf NB threads but I ran out of detect pots.


The Root of the Problem...

To be fair the nerf DK one comes from a very unreliable source, and as absolutely everyone agreed in it the OP was not playing very well at all.

Nerf NB threads however are very common indeed, and seem to have 50/50 for people for/against. I just want them to never touch my poor NB healer's skills...

Forestd16b14_ESO

Um don't you mean nerf NBs. Cause out of the 4 classes Sorcerers sure some are OP but they seem at a decent spot right now.

MrDerrikk

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Um don't you mean nerf NBs. Cause out of the 4 classes Sorcerers sure some are OP but they seem at a decent spot right now.

NB's are too, in that Stam and Magicka are reasonably equal and have unique and good points for each. The other classes just need to be balanced around these two classes.