Possible changes to Dye System

MornaBaine

LostRedden

I think they're fine how they are.

Huxide

dyes through achievements promotes achievement hunting, achievement hunting promotes doing stuff you havent done before, possibly fun stuff and stuff that sometimes take more challenge than usual, a challenge is usually fun.

ZOS shouldnt change it unless they want everyone to stay in their comfort zone........

(edit was typo fixing)

robkrush

I would appreciate if the color would look the same on every piece of gear. Otherwise I'm fine with the current dye system. Oh, and we need to be able to color weapons.

AlienSlof

All dyes should have both a PvP and a PvE method of attainment.

I'm rubbish at PvP and rarely do any. There are some lovely colours I'd love to have from it though. I do like that they're attached to achievements and have to be earned, though, and free for all my characters to use.

And free. No cost other than time.

I played Tera and Neverwinter before this and in both games dyes came with a real money cost - and not cheap either, as well as one use only. Want to change colour? Buy another dye.

ESO's dye system is FAR superior.

LadyNalcarya

There's a lot of fancy dyes that are really easy to obtain so I dont see a problem with them being tied to achievements.

MornaBaine

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

There's a lot of fancy dyes that are really easy to obtain so I dont see a problem with them being tied to achievements.

Actually most of the best, most vibrant ones, are tied to really hard achievements. My personal pet peeve is Legate's Black. It's an insanely long term PvP achievement that I will never have because I don't like to PvP. There really should be a PvE Equivalent. And before anyone claims I'm biased against PvPers and don't want them to have nice things, I really DO believe that there should be both a PvE AND a PvP way to get ALL the dyes.

While a lot of players like both PvE and PvP we all know that MOST players vastly prefer one over the other. And I have long said that all the things available to PvEers should alos be available to PvPers via PvP means.

MercyKilling

Back when dyes were first on the slot to be introduced, I offered feedback as to how to work it.

Simply attach a "cost" to the dye, and make said "cost" purchased with all these achievement points we've been accumulating for absolutely no reason whatsoever. This way, a player could purchase what colors they wanted.

Common = 5 points
Uncommon = 10 points
Rare = 25 points


Or some such. However, TO THIS VERY DAY.....we players have absolutely NO USE WHATSOEVER for all these achievement points that have been in the game SINCE LAUNCH DAY.

I say either get rid of achievement points or give us a reason to have them.

TheShadowScout

Dyes... I would prefer the current system, with simply an added an option to buy a unlock for any dye per crown store. Then much like crafting motivs, people can choose to either play for it, or pay for it...

(and yes, I might also feel tempted by "Legate Black" )

Voxicity

I think they're fine how they are. Could be worse, they could act like titles (character only)

Be thankful

Skayaq

It's fine how it is. I don't get this thing with trying to consider pve and pvp as two separate games, and wanting everything to be available through either. If you want something, go do the activity in the game that gives you want you want.

Artjuh90

there are already titles for some achiefments so point 5 is pointless that's why 0% of the votes are there.
and why do you want dyes in the crownstore? just why? does everything have to be handed over on a silver platter. i really like they made a difference of 3 scales in the dyes from easy to optain to hard. would like to see less of them locked behind PvP. but the PvP player might feel the same about PvE.if you want a dye work for it

Artjuh90

MercyKilling wrote: »

Back when dyes were first on the slot to be introduced, I offered feedback as to how to work it.

Simply attach a "cost" to the dye, and make said "cost" purchased with all these achievement points we've been accumulating for absolutely no reason whatsoever. This way, a player could purchase what colors they wanted.

Common = 5 points
Uncommon = 10 points
Rare = 25 points


Or some such. However, TO THIS VERY DAY.....we players have absolutely NO USE WHATSOEVER for all these achievement points that have been in the game SINCE LAUNCH DAY.

I say either get rid of achievement points or give us a reason to have them.

do agree with having a use for achiefment points. only problem is dyes are account wide. so many achiefments i have 3-4 times which stacks up if i would buy dyes. they should do something character bound with them. because i have 3 character who fully completed cadwell's gold. i have enough achiefment points lol :P

CJohnson81

I think the system is great. Having a crazy flashy armor is one of the few ways to flaunt your skills around town. I'd like to see regular updates to achievements, so that more dyes come available, and to give us more to do!

Tandor

I don't want to see any of the changes suggested, although I would like to see the unlocking of dyes being made character-specific rather than account-wide. I prefer all my characters to earn their achievements and the rewards for doing so.

Refuse2GrowUp

Seems the basis of the poll is leaning towards making this easier to obtain...especially PvP/PvE dyes. I vote leave things as are and work to get what you want

Shadow_Akula

Artjuh90 wrote: »

there are already titles for some achiefments so point 5 is pointless that's why 0% of the votes are there.
and why do you want dyes in the crownstore? just why? does everything have to be handed over on a silver platter. i really like they made a difference of 3 scales in the dyes from easy to optain to hard. would like to see less of them locked behind PvP. but the PvP player might feel the same about PvE.if you want a dye work for it

Perfect answer about the crown store - guys we just got Lycanthropy and Vampirism on the store, let there be something that we have to earn instead of buying with crowns.

The only change I wanted was the shield That's now solved since we can customise our shield colours to match our armor now (it really bugged me having covenant blue armor (really cool at night in the game) and then having a silver shield on the back).

Artjuh90

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Seems the basis of the poll is leaning towards making this easier to obtain...especially PvP/PvE dyes. I vote leave things as are and work to get what you want

have to disagree

Acrolas

MercyKilling wrote: »

TO THIS VERY DAY.....we players have absolutely NO USE WHATSOEVER for all these achievement points that have been in the game SINCE LAUNCH DAY.

A lot of games never add a spending feature to achievement points. They're mostly just there so players can measure each other's game ***s by having a bigger number than somebody else.

I don't even remember what mine is. 1200 inches? 1300 inches? I don't care, apparently you can only really feel the first 600 anyway.

Svartulv

Well, first of all I would like to dye finally my beautiful red sword into something more brutal
The rest of this system seems ok to me.

AnnieBeGood

Leave the dyes as they are....

But let me dye my costumes, please............. and change my hair occasionally.

Tandor

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Seems the basis of the poll is leaning towards making this easier to obtain...especially PvP/PvE dyes. I vote leave things as are and work to get what you want

have to disagree

I believe he was referring to the basis of the poll, not the result of the poll. That is, all the options for change were by way of dumbing down the dye system.

Polls are at their least effective when the bias of the pollster is all too transparent.

MornaBaine

Actually I was sure to put the "leave as is" option in AND I don't see what wold be dumbing down about there being PvE and PvP ways to get the same dye, which assumes that each would be of comparable difficulty.

Gidorick

MornaBaine wrote: »

Actually I was sure to put the "leave as is" option in AND I don't see what wold be dumbing down about there being PvE and PvP ways to get the same dye, which assumes that each would be of comparable difficulty.

Honestly Morna, I think ZOS creates enough of a separation between PVP and PVE as is. If they were to allow PVE achievement dyes to be accomplished through PVP and visa versa, they would just segregate the two gameplay communities even more than they are now.

Ruben

If it works, don't fix it.

Refuse2GrowUp

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Seems the basis of the poll is leaning towards making this easier to obtain...especially PvP/PvE dyes. I vote leave things as are and work to get what you want

have to disagree

Lol, I didn't say results of the poll...I said basis. The way the first couple options are worded led me to believe this is one of those polls aimed at simply giving stuff (in this case dyes) to players or offering an alternative to earning them

SeptimusDova

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Enemy-of-Coldharbour

robkrush wrote: »

I would appreciate if the color would look the same on every piece of gear. Otherwise I'm fine with the current dye system. Oh, and we need to be able to color weapons.

^ Agree 100%.

MornaBaine

Gidorick wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Actually I was sure to put the "leave as is" option in AND I don't see what wold be dumbing down about there being PvE and PvP ways to get the same dye, which assumes that each would be of comparable difficulty.

Honestly Morna, I think ZOS creates enough of a separation between PVP and PVE as is. If they were to allow PVE achievement dyes to be accomplished through PVP and visa versa, they would just segregate the two gameplay communities even more than they are now.

I don't have a problem with that though. The game styles are radically different enough that there is a very large percentage of players who only WANT to do exclusively one or the other. No one should be "forced" to engage in an activity they hate in order to play the content they love in a game. And I mean that just as much for the PvP crowd as I do the PvE crowd.

I honestly wish I liked PvP better in this game. But I just don't. No way am I going to do it exclusively for weeks on end JUST to get a dye that really SHOULD be available to me by some other means.

MornaBaine

MercyKilling wrote: »

Back when dyes were first on the slot to be introduced, I offered feedback as to how to work it.

Simply attach a "cost" to the dye, and make said "cost" purchased with all these achievement points we've been accumulating for absolutely no reason whatsoever. This way, a player could purchase what colors they wanted.

Common = 5 points
Uncommon = 10 points
Rare = 25 points


Or some such. However, TO THIS VERY DAY.....we players have absolutely NO USE WHATSOEVER for all these achievement points that have been in the game SINCE LAUNCH DAY.

I say either get rid of achievement points or give us a reason to have them.

It drives me crazy that there is actually NOTHING to do with the Achievement points in this game and that there are NO meaningful rewards for the various achievements. ALL of them should grant a title. And the harder ones should grant a unique item of some sort. Whether that be a pet, a costume, a trinket with a nifty effect or a piece of gear.

Tandor

MornaBaine wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Actually I was sure to put the "leave as is" option in AND I don't see what wold be dumbing down about there being PvE and PvP ways to get the same dye, which assumes that each would be of comparable difficulty.

Honestly Morna, I think ZOS creates enough of a separation between PVP and PVE as is. If they were to allow PVE achievement dyes to be accomplished through PVP and visa versa, they would just segregate the two gameplay communities even more than they are now.

I don't have a problem with that though. The game styles are radically different enough that there is a very large percentage of players who only WANT to do exclusively one or the other. No one should be "forced" to engage in an activity they hate in order to play the content they love in a game. And I mean that just as much for the PvP crowd as I do the PvE crowd.

I honestly wish I liked PvP better in this game. But I just don't. No way am I going to do it exclusively for weeks on end JUST to get a dye that really SHOULD be available to me by some other means.

Why should it? It's a PvP reward. Do you feel entitled to have the PvP skills while not doing PvP as well?

That's why I said the options for change were about "dumbing down" the dye system. At present you have to do certain things to unlock certain dyes, but you want to be able to get them more easily, for example by buying them or not bothering with the PvP (or the PvE achievements for that matter). In other words, dumbing down.