This needs to stop AKA: Crown store Scam Tactic to turn game into luxury!

TERMINAT0R_XVII

I think you need to stop playing video games and do something more creative with your life.

Why dont you do some research and write a novel, seeming as you are really good at making text walls.

Volkodav

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

It's amazing to see how social economics is ruining the market. People are so willing to not only justify overspending on items/services/ etc but defend a company for overly pricing said items/services/etc with such zealotry.

People have so little regard to the value of their time to make money. I'm all for supporting, I sub and buy chunks of crowns but I don't throw away my money at over valued convenience or cosmetics.

Peoplw work hard for their money.They shouldnt be knocked for whatever they choose to spend it on. If it was your money,fine,..gripe about it.Since it isnt,you have no right to criticize them. Police your own funds.
(said with kindness.) :}

clayandaudrey_ESO

pysta wrote: »

I'll make it simple for everyone to understand;

Just this month;

Polar Bear Mount (recolor version of brown bear mount) 2500crown, 4 days to get it.
Polar Bear pet (recolor version of brown bear pet) 1000 crown, 4 days to get it.
Senche-Leopard (recolor version of any Senche) 2500 crown, 11 days to get it.

Total so far in less than 12 days; 6000 crown store cash which is approx. 60$ US, put that in Canadian right now around 80$ that you would expect people to pay in less than 12 days.

*Note I am not counting the 3 new Orc outfit or Female outfit because they have not said if yes or no they will be exclusive but for a female or a male it would probably add another; 2100-3000 crown of money to get them.

Now let's look at the definition of a game;

1.a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.

Where does it say in any official dictionary that a game is suppose to be a form of luxury? You expect people to enjoy playing their Role play from MMORPG "RP; Roleplaying" to be able to afford these luxury every month because the problem it's not the money it cost in a way but the short amount of time your put them in the game and the stress you give people to make them rush and spend every month for these items that should be IN the game yes SHOULD BE because it's what make the game alive, the game what it is. Have you ever seen in any other Elder Scrolls a vendor for pets or mount that tells your in 4 days its gone, maybe forever! You should rush, make money, not sleep and get it because next month I'll have another exclusive outrageous expensive pet/mount/outfit just for you!

Let's imagine it would be there and stays for good in the crown store and that every month I pay a subscription, eventually I would be able to afford one then another and it would make me feel happy to ACHIEVE it almost like, I grind or level, do a dungeon to get some rewards in the end. But here... it's not even about having fun, not even about a form pleasure, competition according to rules and decide by skill, strength or luck. It's about stealing as much money you can from people Yes I said stealing it's outrageous how low the world of gaming as become a world of luxury and money making for big company. It's not about giving people fun, pleasure but it's now about finding new way to take AS MUCH money from people.

Can I afford this during Christmas? No, can I afford it in a course of a few month? Maybe yes it's possible since I pay a subscription every month to already SUPPORT YOU but all does it do now at this point is making me feel NOT wanting to play the game today because I am not a rich boy who can afford to spend in one game so much money every month. People don't realize the game is not free to play, they know people will want the new contain because in the end it's what we want to achieve some sort of reward to play games.

I see it like this: We are all doing a marathon and the one to get to the end win the chance to PAY for the trophy to get back home because remember! Someone has to pay for this marathon and to build the trophy.

Here's another; Your favorite football team won the cup or whatever you call it I don't watch these but to get the cup/trophy they need to pay for it to bring it back home or hey we will throw during the event some copies of the trophy to buy instead of you having to get to the end and win! just pay 25000$ you go home with a copy of the trophy!

In short games become a luxury and sometime like these strategy a scam... a shame... I feel bad for everyone and yes even for me to want these to enjoy in-game but can't afford these because remember we all need to eat, to have a roof over our head, a transport, cloths etc in real life. Then you come back home sit down to your favorite game to find out you need to open your budget files to see IF you can afford enjoying new things like everyone else who would be in the game.

You expect people to pay during Christmas... 60 000 crown up to 90 000 crown store money or hope people are stupid enough to do this which is up to 90$ US, 120$ Can again during Christmas and Christmas is about caring, giving? And in a game.... we already purchased and purchasing DLC and subscribing every month. I already buy the volume of Tamriel in real life. This is how much I love this universe but not your Monetary Scam to turn this game a luxury.

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1000crown for a recolor version of a bear pet... wtf *at this point I'll use this word*.

Mr. OP, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Alucardo

They've had two half-price crown discounts pretty close together, giving people the chance to buy all the crowns they need before Christmas. Add that on top of the crowns you get for subbing and it's really not as bad as you make it out to be, because let's be honest, you're not really paying a membership. You're just committing to buying 1,500 crowns a month, and in return you get a few bonuses as well.
If you don't like it, they've made it extremely easy to cancel your subscription. Please, stop complaining over things that aren't warranted.

Lord-Gibson

I am one of those people who have been a sub since day one and have bought numerous items in the crown store. I recently bought the white bear to match my outfit even. To me its just money and no Im not rich by any means but I play a lot and I love the game.

With that being said, I do it b/c its something I find fun and relaxing to do. Some people go to the spa or to the movies or go bowling or out to eat so many times a week....ect. I do none of these things really so eso is my hobby and thats where I spend my hobby money. Sure I could spend it on better things but this is what makes me happy and I do it.

Sure things are overpriced but in my opinion most things in this country are but yet its that way b/c people will spend the money. I was complaining the whole time I was buying the new bear mount but yet I got it anyway...lol. I dont buy everything though, just what I like and want to have.

Well there is my two cents on the matter. Happy gaming to everyone and may the rng-esus bless u in your adventures.

Xjcon

Long way of saying you don't like to spend money on things but feel obligated since it's limited time.

It's quite simple. Don't buy the stuff.

In no way does it impact my game if I don't buy costumes or mounts.

Vorcil

I'M A LOYAL PLAYER, WHY U ABUSE ME

It seems completely arbitrarily defined, but that's the price you get for f2p right?

I spent 50 dollars this month on ESO.

15 dollars would be fine, but the 1800 crown allowance isn't enough on eso+

So I never buy ESO plus because there are no benefits crown and item wise. If eso+ gave me a mount a month and access to DLC that would be fine, but I had to fork out for 12k crowns just so I don't miss out.

JamilaRaj

Vorcil wrote: »

If eso+ gave me a mount a month and access to DLC that would be fine, but I had to fork out for 12k crowns just so I don't miss out.

I would go a bit further and suggest that all mounts should be only for one month. At this rate, there will be eventually so many mounts that people who will want to ride something exotic and unlike what everyone else has (imagine common brown horse - very exotic, unique style!) will simply recycle one of their old mounts instead of buying the current one. It is really short sighted from ZOS to sell mounts once to be ridden forever. They got planned obsolescence right with DLCs; new (paid) zones supersede the old, which are no longer worth of playing for various reasons such as inferior rewards. Mounts can only fall out of fashion, but will eventually rebound! They need to die of old age or something!!!

Prabooo

I just want to say this: Does a WHITE POLAR BEAR stop you from playing?

Lag does. And fortunately it is not always.

Appleblade

Read both pages. Still no idea what the kerfuffle is about. Something optional costs money or something?

Dagoth_Rac

Think it is overpriced? Don't buy it. If enough people join you in not buying it, ZOS will start charging less for in-game virtual luxury items. If not enough people join you in not buying it, then maybe it was not overpriced.

vyrusb23

pysta wrote: »

I'll make it simple for everyone to understand;

Just this month;

Polar Bear Mount (recolor version of brown bear mount) 2500crown, 4 days to get it.
Polar Bear pet (recolor version of brown bear pet) 1000 crown, 4 days to get it.
Senche-Leopard (recolor version of any Senche) 2500 crown, 11 days to get it.

Total so far in less than 12 days; 6000 crown store cash which is approx. 60$ US, put that in Canadian right now around 80$ that you would expect people to pay in less than 12 days.

*Note I am not counting the 3 new Orc outfit or Female outfit because they have not said if yes or no they will be exclusive but for a female or a male it would probably add another; 2100-3000 crown of money to get them.

Now let's look at the definition of a game;

1.a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.

Where does it say in any official dictionary that a game is suppose to be a form of luxury? You expect people to enjoy playing their Role play from MMORPG "RP; Roleplaying" to be able to afford these luxury every month because the problem it's not the money it cost in a way but the short amount of time your put them in the game and the stress you give people to make them rush and spend every month for these items that should be IN the game yes SHOULD BE because it's what make the game alive, the game what it is. Have you ever seen in any other Elder Scrolls a vendor for pets or mount that tells your in 4 days its gone, maybe forever! You should rush, make money, not sleep and get it because next month I'll have another exclusive outrageous expensive pet/mount/outfit just for you!

Let's imagine it would be there and stays for good in the crown store and that every month I pay a subscription, eventually I would be able to afford one then another and it would make me feel happy to ACHIEVE it almost like, I grind or level, do a dungeon to get some rewards in the end. But here... it's not even about having fun, not even about a form pleasure, competition according to rules and decide by skill, strength or luck. It's about stealing as much money you can from people Yes I said stealing it's outrageous how low the world of gaming as become a world of luxury and money making for big company. It's not about giving people fun, pleasure but it's now about finding new way to take AS MUCH money from people.

Can I afford this during Christmas? No, can I afford it in a course of a few month? Maybe yes it's possible since I pay a subscription every month to already SUPPORT YOU but all does it do now at this point is making me feel NOT wanting to play the game today because I am not a rich boy who can afford to spend in one game so much money every month. People don't realize the game is not free to play, they know people will want the new contain because in the end it's what we want to achieve some sort of reward to play games.

I see it like this: We are all doing a marathon and the one to get to the end win the chance to PAY for the trophy to get back home because remember! Someone has to pay for this marathon and to build the trophy.

Here's another; Your favorite football team won the cup or whatever you call it I don't watch these but to get the cup/trophy they need to pay for it to bring it back home or hey we will throw during the event some copies of the trophy to buy instead of you having to get to the end and win! just pay 25000$ you go home with a copy of the trophy!

In short games become a luxury and sometime like these strategy a scam... a shame... I feel bad for everyone and yes even for me to want these to enjoy in-game but can't afford these because remember we all need to eat, to have a roof over our head, a transport, cloths etc in real life. Then you come back home sit down to your favorite game to find out you need to open your budget files to see IF you can afford enjoying new things like everyone else who would be in the game.

You expect people to pay during Christmas... 60 000 crown up to 90 000 crown store money or hope people are stupid enough to do this which is up to 90$ US, 120$ Can again during Christmas and Christmas is about caring, giving? And in a game.... we already purchased and purchasing DLC and subscribing every month. I already buy the volume of Tamriel in real life. This is how much I love this universe but not your Monetary Scam to turn this game a luxury.

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1000crown for a recolor version of a bear pet... wtf *at this point I'll use this word*.

You'll never "get it."

Reported for trolling.

LindsC

pysta wrote: »

I'll make it simple for everyone to understand;

Just this month;

Polar Bear Mount (recolor version of brown bear mount) 2500crown, 4 days to get it.
Polar Bear pet (recolor version of brown bear pet) 1000 crown, 4 days to get it.
Senche-Leopard (recolor version of any Senche) 2500 crown, 11 days to get it.

Total so far in less than 12 days; 6000 crown store cash which is approx. 60$ US, put that in Canadian right now around 80$ that you would expect people to pay in less than 12 days.

You can get a little over 6000 for roughly 47 bucks. Not 60.

PrinceBoru

As far as I'm aware, nobody is playing or paying involuntarily.
Shouldn't that be the end of the "discussion"?
Otherwise this is just another circle jerk thread.

Easily_Lost

Vorcil wrote: »

So I never buy ESO plus because there are no benefits crown and item wise. If eso+ gave me a mount a month and access to DLC that would be fine, but I had to fork out for 12k crowns just so I don't miss out.

Just to let you know, ESO+ does give you access to DLC

Spacemonkey

I don't mind it. It gives me choice on to what to spend the crowns I get from the Sub.
Agreed it seems like the price is a bit steep. But 1) I don't want everything. 2) I don't even really want anything. 3) It's kinda fun to have the choice of all that stuff seeing as the ESO+ sub doesn't really GIVE ME ANYTHING.

So see it as a perk for people paying for the game and keeping it alive. With the option of you being able to get that stuff also WITHOUT having to sub.

Vendrath

Oh no, the game costs money to play, ZOS should remove the subscription

<sub requirement removed>

Oh no, the crown items are too expensive

<crown items made free>
<ZOS no longer has money>
<Game shuts down>

Nobody is forcing you to buy stuff on the crown store and everything on it is either cosmetic or adds a small convenience factor. Stop the whining and either play the game and enjoy it or find something else to enjoy. If you are stressing over not being able to buy the latest cosmetic item, you have much larger issues.

Jayne_Doe

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

It's amazing to see how social economics is ruining the market. People are so willing to not only justify overspending on items/services/ etc but defend a company for overly pricing said items/services/etc with such zealotry.

People have so little regard to the value of their time to make money. I'm all for supporting, I sub and buy chunks of crowns but I don't throw away my money at over valued convenience or cosmetics.

Actually, I don't even believe that ZOS needs defending.

These are vanity items only and are specifically priced to make money. Basically, you are supporting ZOS and getting a token in return. These are not items needed to win the game and not even items that are for convenience (which are more conveniently priced). These are strictly vanity items intended to entice players into supporting the game.

OP - you don't NEED these items to win the game or even to enjoy it. You don't NEED to buy any of these things. Basically, you want all of them, but don't have enough money to buy all of them so you want ZOS to lower the price so you can get all of them.

dodgehopper_ESO

JamilaRaj wrote: »

pysta wrote: »

They are even giving away 1 000 000$ in a contest! I can't believe if they can do that and then justify the outrageous price of items in the crown store?...

Why not? Free ad on every gaming website, box sales and plenty of new players to sell fluff for outrageous prices to.
It is just brilliant. Their marketing stuntmen are top notch.

I have no problem with ZoS trying to market their game to the masses. The million dollar win is a great way to get their name out there. Marketing is vital for MMO's and honestly I believe that WoW owes a large part of its success to marketing, and not so much to the game itself. There are plenty of games that were just as good if not better than WoW. WoW just outmarketed them and was able to afford more and more features to put their competition out of business. Don't know them for trying to make sales.

I'm not fond of pixels being sold as limited time offers either but I recommend you look at it like this. Unless something is SUPER important for you to have, don't buy it. It takes maturity to say no to yourself. I would love to buy everything on the cash shop, but the reality is I'm mature enough to know that I probably will get very little use out of most of it. My solution to the problem is to simply not buy something unless I know without a shadow of a doubt that I will use it. This is the same reason that I haven't bought Fallout 4 yet. It is a matter of time value of money. I know that I barely have time to play ESO right now. I also know that Fallout 4 will not get played in the short term because my time is scarce. Why would I buy a game for 90 dollars that I likely won't have time to play until next year? The price of the game will likely go down by then, and I have no idea if I'll even have time to play it in half a year. I might be better off just waiting until the GotY comes out. By not purchasing now I have the option to choose. That is exactly how you should treat these digital items. I like the polar bear but lets face it I can think of no reason why I would ride around on a polar bear. It evokes images of Coca Cola Christmases but what does that have to do with ESO? Who would ride it? My Orc nightblade might, but honestly I think the brown bear would look better on him or an Echatere. So again why would I buy a polar bear mount for a third string character who probably wouldn't use it anyway? When you think about it this way, the decision makes itself.

In the case of the magical shiny horse from takubar (The ice horse) I purchased it because it made perfect sense for my Telvanni Sorcerer character as well as my Altmer Sorcerer. Its pretty gaudy I'll admit it, but it makes sense for a powerful magician to have an elemental horse from another plane: and I had two characters that it made sense to purchase for. I didn't find the fire horse particularly interesting, or the shriven horse, so again I didn't purchase those. If everything is compelling for you, you probably have an addiction and need to think of ways to calm down.

Spacemonkey

Yeah I put off buying Fallout 4 for the same reasons. No time. I figured I'll buy it when ME:Andromeda comes out and I'll take a couple of weeks(months?) off from work. :P

JamilaRaj

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

pysta wrote: »

They are even giving away 1 000 000$ in a contest! I can't believe if they can do that and then justify the outrageous price of items in the crown store?...

Why not? Free ad on every gaming website, box sales and plenty of new players to sell fluff for outrageous prices to.
It is just brilliant. Their marketing stuntmen are top notch.

I have no problem with ZoS trying to market their game to the masses. The million dollar win is a great way to get their name out there. Marketing is vital for MMO's and honestly I believe that WoW owes a large part of its success to marketing, and not so much to the game itself. There are plenty of games that were just as good if not better than WoW. WoW just outmarketed them and was able to afford more and more features to put their competition out of business. Don't know them for trying to make sales.

I'm not fond of pixels being sold as limited time offers either but I recommend you look at it like this. Unless something is SUPER important for you to have, don't buy it. It takes maturity to say no to yourself. I would love to buy everything on the cash shop, but the reality is I'm mature enough to know that I probably will get very little use out of most of it. My solution to the problem is to simply not buy something unless I know without a shadow of a doubt that I will use it. This is the same reason that I haven't bought Fallout 4 yet. It is a matter of time value of money. I know that I barely have time to play ESO right now. I also know that Fallout 4 will not get played in the short term because my time is scarce. Why would I buy a game for 90 dollars that I likely won't have time to play until next year?

Because nobody gives a !#$% whether you will play it not; what matters is whether you will pay. And as I wrote earlier, that is why the pressure is here. If they threatened you either pay immediately or you will never be able to play Fallout 4 (!!!), you might give in and pay even though you do not have time to actually play it. Just in case.
There is nothing to lose. At worst, people who were not going to pay anyway will not pay. At best, people who were not going to pay will pay, and at the very least people who were going to pay will pay sooner. Some will feel bitter because of coertion, but who cares? You do not need consumers to be happy if you can simply threaten them again.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

The price of the game will likely go down by then, ...

All the more reason for coercing players into paying now.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

...and I have no idea if I'll even have time to play it in half a year. I might be better off just waiting until the GotY comes out. By not purchasing now I have the option to choose. That is exactly how you should treat these digital items. I like the polar bear but lets face it I can think of no reason why I would ride around on a polar bear. It evokes images of Coca Cola Christmases but what does that have to do with ESO? Who would ride it? My Orc nightblade might, but honestly I think the brown bear would look better on him or an Echatere. So again why would I buy a polar bear mount for a third string character who probably wouldn't use it anyway? When you think about it this way, the decision makes itself.

In the case of the magical shiny horse from takubar (The ice horse) I purchased it because it made perfect sense for my Telvanni Sorcerer character as well as my Altmer Sorcerer. Its pretty gaudy I'll admit it, but it makes sense for a powerful magician to have an elemental horse from another plane: and I had two characters that it made sense to purchase for. I didn't find the fire horse particularly interesting, or the shriven horse, so again I didn't purchase those. If everything is compelling for you, you probably have an addiction and need to think of ways to calm down.

newtinmpls

Spacemonkey wrote: »

the ESO+ sub doesn't really GIVE ME ANYTHING.

Hmmmm... I sub.
I get the pleasure of playing, the DLCs to play in (besides the base game), and crowns to spend on fun stuff.

Deandril

If you try to ride a polar bear it will kill you and eat you! I recommend the sorrel horse.

Flynnn

I don't mind them having exclusive items on sale for a limited time, what I hate is the price of all the items. I would spend money in the crown store from time to time but when a mount and a pet are more than an entire DLC, that is supposed to have 20+ hours of story content, there is a problem. I should be able to drop $20 and get a mount and a pet for myself and my wife plus still have a few crowns left over.
*** ridiculous, therefore I don't spend anything beyond DLC. In the end they lose money.


BTW, I'm not going to take the time to read all the replys past the first page to see if someone posted something similar.

Snit

pysta wrote: »

But ESO is not a game anymore. It is just vehicle for milking players

Do be a cow, man.

I have no problem not buying stuff I don't need, such as mounts.* I find no fault in a F2P game spending some dev resources on making stuff to sell, either. Clearly, it's possible to go overboard (See e.g., Archeage or Neverwinter Online), but few people seem to think ESO has.


* unless they introduce wolf mounts. That, I would "need"

TheDarkShadow

They will come back, don't worry. Like the Black Senche, since I started playing 1 year ago, it has come back 3 times.

One thing I've learned in game with store like this is: buy crowns or whatever they call the store currency, when they're on sale, or whenever I have the money for it, and wait till they put something I like on the store. I buy the 50$ crown pack on Black Friday when it's only 30$, because I know for sure they gonna put something cool on the store in Christmas.

NiclasFridholm

Well we didnt have Crown store while we happily subscribed. Game went B2P and they have to make money somehow if we want new DLC:s and progression. This comes with B2P and it will get even worse if it goes F2P, just accept it or move on...

Still subscribing...

TiberX

They certainly found a recipe for financial success with the game becoming FTP and the introduction of crown store.
Firstly nobody forces u to buy that stuff, but.... here it comes..

Only DLCs are worth playing, nothing else is in anyway rewarding.
Since they did this they forced us into grinding BOE items and playing only DLCs like they were fearing we wont buy if we have an option
Removed all older content Trials in particular, where i had fun because of playing with friends, same reason as the 1 above
ALL older gear became 99% obsolete

Like they are trying ti get rid of old players just to get in a new category who only plays to collect mounts and pets and costumes

I hope im not right BTW.

Furiant

pysta wrote: »

They are even giving away 1 000 000$ in a contest! I can't believe if they can do that and then justify the outrageous price of items in the crown store?...

Except that they very likely aren't "spending" a million dollars. This kind of sweepstakes often uses tax write-offs and financial alchemy to shuffle money around in such a way that their bottom line remains the same. It's basically creating that prize money from thin air. Yes, you have to have a certain amount of capital in the first place in order to pull this off, but you don't actually have to lose any of it.

Read up on Microsoft's purchase of Minecraft (and a lot of other stuff) for a better picture of why jettisoning a few billion dollars can be more profitable than keeping it.

newtinmpls

Ah durn it.

My pirate Breton tried on the new dress, and it looked lovely on her, but she just isn't the sort to dress up. So I thought maybe I'd buy it for me Altmer Sorc who is the type... but the color is just wrong on her.

She actually doesn't look to bad in the guy/orc outfit, but when I put it on my Orc those sleeve cuff thingies loook horrible.

Hey, the fact that i even considered a costume for a moment ... monumental compliment to the designer.