This needs to stop AKA: Crown store Scam Tactic to turn game into luxury!

pysta

I'll make it simple for everyone to understand;

Just this month;

Polar Bear Mount (recolor version of brown bear mount) 2500crown, 4 days to get it.
Polar Bear pet (recolor version of brown bear pet) 1000 crown, 4 days to get it.
Senche-Leopard (recolor version of any Senche) 2500 crown, 11 days to get it.

Total so far in less than 12 days; 6000 crown store cash which is approx. 60$ US, put that in Canadian right now around 80$ that you would expect people to pay in less than 12 days.

*Note I am not counting the 3 new Orc outfit or Female outfit because they have not said if yes or no they will be exclusive but for a female or a male it would probably add another; 2100-3000 crown of money to get them.

Now let's look at the definition of a game;

1.a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.

Where does it say in any official dictionary that a game is suppose to be a form of luxury? You expect people to enjoy playing their Role play from MMORPG "RP; Roleplaying" to be able to afford these luxury every month because the problem it's not the money it cost in a way but the short amount of time your put them in the game and the stress you give people to make them rush and spend every month for these items that should be IN the game yes SHOULD BE because it's what make the game alive, the game what it is. Have you ever seen in any other Elder Scrolls a vendor for pets or mount that tells your in 4 days its gone, maybe forever! You should rush, make money, not sleep and get it because next month I'll have another exclusive outrageous expensive pet/mount/outfit just for you!

Let's imagine it would be there and stays for good in the crown store and that every month I pay a subscription, eventually I would be able to afford one then another and it would make me feel happy to ACHIEVE it almost like, I grind or level, do a dungeon to get some rewards in the end. But here... it's not even about having fun, not even about a form pleasure, competition according to rules and decide by skill, strength or luck. It's about stealing as much money you can from people Yes I said stealing it's outrageous how low the world of gaming as become a world of luxury and money making for big company. It's not about giving people fun, pleasure but it's now about finding new way to take AS MUCH money from people.

Can I afford this during Christmas? No, can I afford it in a course of a few month? Maybe yes it's possible since I pay a subscription every month to already SUPPORT YOU but all does it do now at this point is making me feel NOT wanting to play the game today because I am not a rich boy who can afford to spend in one game so much money every month. People don't realize the game is not free to play, they know people will want the new contain because in the end it's what we want to achieve some sort of reward to play games.

I see it like this: We are all doing a marathon and the one to get to the end win the chance to PAY for the trophy to get back home because remember! Someone has to pay for this marathon and to build the trophy.

Here's another; Your favorite football team won the cup or whatever you call it I don't watch these but to get the cup/trophy they need to pay for it to bring it back home or hey we will throw during the event some copies of the trophy to buy instead of you having to get to the end and win! just pay 25000$ you go home with a copy of the trophy!

In short games become a luxury and sometime like these strategy a scam... a shame... I feel bad for everyone and yes even for me to want these to enjoy in-game but can't afford these because remember we all need to eat, to have a roof over our head, a transport, cloths etc in real life. Then you come back home sit down to your favorite game to find out you need to open your budget files to see IF you can afford enjoying new things like everyone else who would be in the game.

You expect people to pay during Christmas... 60 000 crown up to 90 000 crown store money or hope people are stupid enough to do this which is up to 90$ US, 120$ Can again during Christmas and Christmas is about caring, giving? And in a game.... we already purchased and purchasing DLC and subscribing every month. I already buy the volume of Tamriel in real life. This is how much I love this universe but not your Monetary Scam to turn this game a luxury.

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1000crown for a recolor version of a bear pet... wtf *at this point I'll use this word*.

AchlysNox

That's a very long rant to say that you don't like the pricing in the store. If you don't like the price of a polar bear mount, then why don't you just ignore that it's there? Just because it's there, doesn't mean you have to buy it.

While I agree that the crown prices are a bit steep, I can live on quite happily knowing that I won't be buying a re-painted brown bear for 1000 crowns.

pysta

AchlysNox wrote: »

That's a very long rant to say that you don't like the pricing in the store. If you don't like the price of a polar bear mount, then why don't you just ignore that it's there? Just because it's there, doesn't mean you have to buy it.

While I agree that the crown prices are a bit steep, I can live on quite happily knowing that I won't be buying a re-painted brown bear for 1000 crowns.

Yes I know it's long but because if you do not give people and especially them a reason "the company" like go see your boss in real life and simply say; "I don't like this or that, good bye" Well they want you to give them a reason to "justify" your opinion. If not well it's not even taken in consideration. I always tell my customers this;

I prefer to have them in the long run than making them pay an outrageous price that is not justify in any way and never see them again.

JamilaRaj

pysta wrote: »

I'll make it simple for everyone to understand;

Just this month;

Polar Bear Mount (recolor version of brown bear mount) 2500crown, 4 days to get it.
Polar Bear pet (recolor version of brown bear pet) 1000 crown, 4 days to get it.
Senche-Leopard (recolor version of any Senche) 2500 crown, 11 days to get it.

Total so far in less than 12 days; 6000 crown store cash which is approx. 60$ US, put that in Canadian right now around 80$ that you would expect people to pay in less than 12 days.

*Note I am not counting the 3 new Orc outfit or Female outfit because they have not said if yes or no they will be exclusive but for a female or a male it would probably add another; 2100-3000 crown of money to get them.

Now let's look at the definition of a game;

1.a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.

Where does it say in any official dictionary that a game is suppose to be a form of luxury?

But ESO is not a game anymore. It is just vehicle for milking players, especially like you who a) mistake it for a game and b) have "own everything" as their objective.

pysta wrote: »

You expect people to enjoy playing

No, they expect them to pay.

pysta wrote: »

their Role play from MMORPG "RP; Roleplaying" to be able to afford these luxury every month because the problem it's not the money it cost in a way but the short amount of time your put them in the game and the stress you give people to make them rush and spend every month for these items that should be IN the game yes SHOULD BE because it's what make the game alive, the game what it is. Have you ever seen in any other Elder Scrolls a vendor for pets or mount that tells your in 4 days its gone, maybe forever! You should rush, make money, not sleep and get it because next month I'll have another exclusive outrageous expensive pet/mount/outfit just for you!

That is right, the stress is here, because it makes players pay. If it was not here, players could deliberate forever before buying anything, if at all. If they instead threaten players that unless they pay immediately, they will not be able to buy X ever again, many will give in and pay.

pysta wrote: »

Let's imagine it would be there and stays for good in the crown store and that every month I pay a subscription, eventually I would be able to afford one then another and it would make me feel happy to ACHIEVE it almost like, I grind or level, do a dungeon to get some rewards in the end. But here... it's not even about having fun, not even about a form pleasure, competition according to rules and decide by skill, strength or luck. It's about stealing as much money you can from people Yes I said stealing it's outrageous how low the world of gaming as become a world of luxury and money making for big company. It's not about giving people fun, pleasure but it's now about finding new way to take AS MUCH money from people.

Can I afford this during Christmas? No, can I afford it in a course of a few month? Maybe yes it's possible since I pay a subscription every month to already SUPPORT YOU but all does it do now at this point is making me feel NOT wanting to play the game today because I am not a rich boy who can afford to spend in one game so much money every month. People don't realize the game is not free to play, they know people will want the new contain because in the end it's what we want to achieve some sort of reward to play games.

I see it like this: We are all doing a marathon and the one to get to the end win the chance to PAY for the trophy to get back home because remember! Someone has to pay for this marathon and to build the trophy.

Here's another; Your favorite football team won the cup or whatever you call it I don't watch these but to get the cup/trophy they need to pay for it to bring it back home or hey we will throw during the event some copies of the trophy to buy instead of you having to get to the end and win! just pay 25000$ you go home with a copy of the trophy!

In short games become a luxury and sometime like these strategy a scam... a shame... I feel bad for everyone and yes even for me to want these to enjoy in-game but can't afford these because remember we all need to eat, to have a roof over our head, a transport, cloths etc in real life. Then you come back home sit down to your favorite game to find out you need to open your budget files to see IF you can afford enjoying new things like everyone else who would be in the game.

You expect people to pay during Christmas... 60 000 crown up to 90 000 crown store money or hope people are stupid enough to do this which is up to 90$ US, 120$ Can again during Christmas and Christmas is about caring, giving? And in a game.... we already purchased and purchasing DLC and subscribing every month. I already buy the volume of Tamriel in real life. This is how much I love this universe but not your Monetary Scam to turn this game a luxury.

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1000crown for a recolor version of a bear pet... wtf *at this point I'll use this word*.

pysta

Just imagine this;

15$ a month you pay, let say they have a minimum of 10 000 customers playing that give them just for a month 150 000$ US. In theory it's almost 100 employee paid each month. Even then it would be hard to justify a simple change of animal color for 10$.

Now... people probably spend approx 15-30$ minimum a month with a crown store. That is 150 000$-300 000$ just for 10 000 playing customers and we all know they have more than 10 000 players in fact the rumor is they have over a millions players so if you put it this way 15$ per month for 1 000 000 player that would mean 15 000 000$ they would make a month! So again tell me how can you justify to scam people with ridiculous price on collectible item in-game. Let's admit it we all know the collectible is the big thing and since the new era of Free to play it's the best tactic in every F2P game to outrageously take money from players.

They are even giving away 1 000 000$ in a contest! I can't believe if they can do that and then justify the outrageous price of items in the crown store?...

JamilaRaj

pysta wrote: »

They are even giving away 1 000 000$ in a contest! I can't believe if they can do that and then justify the outrageous price of items in the crown store?...

Why not? Free ad on every gaming website, box sales and plenty of new players to sell fluff for outrageous prices to.
It is just brilliant. Their marketing stuntmen are top notch.

CJohnson81

First off video games are a luxury. Many people on this earth don't have the means to play games. At all. They are busy trying live and eat and not get killed. So, yes, sitting in front of a screen with a high-end piece of electronics to entertain you is 100% a luxury.

Let's imagine it would be there and stays for good in the crown store and that every month I pay a subscription, eventually I would be able to afford one then another and it would make me feel happy to ACHIEVE it almost like, I grind or level, do a dungeon to get some rewards in the end.

So you're saying that you'd like the feeling of accomplishment of saving your crowns to afford a cosmetic item in store. You can still do that. In real life too! Save your money for the next luxury item. Or, start saving for the next DLC which is slated to come out early next year. It should just require a few dollars a month in a jar to get there. Then when the DLC comes out, you can buy it, guilt free, because you saved for it. You can even feel accomplished for doing so. There's nothing wrong in that.

I think your argument should be for more long term additions to the Crown Store, I agree 100% with that. I don't think there are enough of them while there are these opportunities for the premium stuff.

Valrien

In other words you're mad at a company for selling items that don't negatively affect your gameplay or anyone else's at all because you don't like how they price them or their methods for getting people to buy them?

Sounds like someone needs their pacifier.

pysta

Valrien wrote: »

In other words you're mad at a company for selling items that don't negatively affect your gameplay or anyone else's at all because you don't like how they price them or their methods for getting people to buy them?

Sounds like someone needs their pacifier.

For a moment I forgot how people are selfish in our generation. Thank you for reminding me of your humanity.

lolo_01b16_ESO

If you think it's not worth buying them just be happy that other people pay for the servers so you can play the game.

pysta

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

If you think it's not worth buying them just be happy that other people pay for the servers so you can play the game.

It's worth buying but not at an outrageous price all the time and in a rush then remove it to push us to buy. Also Im already giving them more than my share to play the game. I pay a subscription since the release, I buy the real book of tamriel and I even sometime put a little more in the crown store so I think I have my right to say something.

pysta

I would not have made this post if I dint care about the items also. I do, I like them and I want in a way to achieve them but in this situation it's more frustrating and a turn off than anything else. I'm all for a little work and worth for it but not everyone and thats the majority cannot afford every month crazy price items in the store and in such short time for availability. It's just showing that their pocket worth more than the community, a long term run with them and the world they create.

Valrien

pysta wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

In other words you're mad at a company for selling items that don't negatively affect your gameplay or anyone else's at all because you don't like how they price them or their methods for getting people to buy them?

Sounds like someone needs their pacifier.

For a moment I forgot how people are selfish in our generation. Thank you for reminding me of your humanity.

"Selfish", says the guy who abhors one of the ways Zenimax makes money in-between DLCs :P

pysta

Valrien wrote: »

pysta wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

In other words you're mad at a company for selling items that don't negatively affect your gameplay or anyone else's at all because you don't like how they price them or their methods for getting people to buy them?

Sounds like someone needs their pacifier.

For a moment I forgot how people are selfish in our generation. Thank you for reminding me of your humanity.

"Selfish", says the guy who abhors one of the ways Zenimax makes money in-between DLCs :P

So you think that Zenimax does not make enough money and that I should give them more so everyone else? We are too selfish to them?

CJohnson81

You know, the reason why it's so short lived a lot of times is to make sure that the item remains scarce. So many people complain that their special snowflake once in a lifetime item has now become available again (forthcoming senche mounts, anyone?). Well, it's only available for four days and not everyone can get it. So, it remains special.

Again, there is a dearth of long term evergreen cosmetic items, and hopefully, now that all of the platform launches are out of the way, devs can focus on creating new content and fixing issues.

Valrien

pysta wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

pysta wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

In other words you're mad at a company for selling items that don't negatively affect your gameplay or anyone else's at all because you don't like how they price them or their methods for getting people to buy them?

Sounds like someone needs their pacifier.

For a moment I forgot how people are selfish in our generation. Thank you for reminding me of your humanity.

"Selfish", says the guy who abhors one of the ways Zenimax makes money in-between DLCs :P

So you think that Zenimax does not make enough money and that I should give them more so everyone else? We are too selfish to them?

I think that they're a company and are supposed to make money. A bear mount is a bear mount, does it matter if it's overpriced? They're cosmetic. What most people don't understand is that the items are limited, not exclusive. They are liable to come back to the store whenever Zenimax feels like it so if someone can't afford it they should just wait for the next offer.

Turelus

They're trying to make money to keep the game running.

Most games that have a cash shop charge high prices for fluff and do limited time offers, it's how they get people to buy things. ZOS also has taken the stance that they will never sell Pay to Win items limiting what they can sell even further.

End of the day they have to do this stuff, they have to push it down peoples throats because if the sales don't happen we don't have a game.

Jitterbug

Crazy story.
Last night I logged in, played for several hours and had a great time in both PvE and PvP, and even some PvDoor.
All of this fun was achieved without a single albino mount.
Go figure...

Turelus

Jitterbug wrote: »

Crazy story.
Last night I logged in, played for several hours and had a great time in both PvE and PvP, and even some PvDoor.
All of this fun was achieved without a single albino mount.
Go figure...

Pics or it didn't happen.

CavalierPrime

I have my eye on the Leopard Senche but I am disappointed its 2500. Why dont I just buy the cool yellow Senche for 1800 and the cool Goat pet for 400 and still save 300 crowns?

Volkodav

Ya know,I didnt even see the new costume for the female in the store.I saw the men's ones though.

MissBizz

CavalierPrime wrote: »

I have my eye on the Leopard Senche but I am disappointed its 2500. Why dont I just buy the cool yellow Senche for 1800 and the cool Goat pet for 400 and still save 300 crowns?

You'll love your new pet goat. He eats rocks and is absolutely adorable.

JamilaRaj wrote: »

<SNIP>
That is right, the stress is here, because it makes players pay. If it was not here, players could deliberate forever before buying anything, if at all. If they instead threaten players that unless they pay immediately, they will not be able to buy X ever again, many will give in and pay.
<SNIP>

True story. I still don't have the fox. I think it's super cute, but, I like to save my crowns in case something limited comes out I just love... I'll get the fox one day.. but I've held off. If they said they were taking it out of the store though, I'd snatch it right up.

Greevir

Damn, I can't believe ZOS forces you to buy it!

OmniDevil

TL:DR - I don't want to spend money. Darn companies and their trying to make money and everything!

CavalierPrime

MissBizz wrote: »

You'll love your new pet goat. He eats rocks and is absolutely adorable.

And he may force me to switch to 2pc Blood Spawn so he matches my look. I will name him Jerry, Devourer of Souls.

KingYogi415

crowns were almost half off. last month. you should have bought some if you get stressed about not being able to afford purely cosmetic items.

bear cub plus polar mount= less then 20$

I bought the re-skinned polar bear cub because it is limited time.

Im going to buy the Black Panther because it looks ***.

seriously though who collects costumes, you can unlock more prestigious one for free in the game.

Also in a couple months their will be a new pleathora of items for you to complain about.

BabeestorGor

1. Games are a luxury, not a neccessity
2. Mounts and costumes are a luxury within the game, not a neccessity to play it
3. ZOS are a company, not a charity, they exist to make money

WalkingLegacy

It's amazing to see how social economics is ruining the market. People are so willing to not only justify overspending on items/services/ etc but defend a company for overly pricing said items/services/etc with such zealotry.

People have so little regard to the value of their time to make money. I'm all for supporting, I sub and buy chunks of crowns but I don't throw away my money at over valued convenience or cosmetics.

Heindrich

Cosmetics are cosmetics. I don't care what zos charges for them. I'd much rather they make lots of money from people rich enough to afford such things than turning the game P2W with crownstore items that actually affects performance.

Karacule_Fairystar

Enlighten me TS, because I can't find a game developer who runs a game wherein cosmetics in the in-game store do not have an exclusive/monthly cosmetic showcase that are being sold. Every fps/moba games does that much more of a subscription based game.

Anyway its rewarding for people who bought it, but that doesn't hinder YOU as a gamer to compete on par with them.

P.S. try to relate this situation irl. it's somewhat relative.

BabeestorGor

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

It's amazing to see how social economics is ruining the market. People are so willing to not only justify overspending on items/services/ etc but defend a company for overly pricing said items/services/etc with such zealotry.

People have so little regard to the value of their time to make money. I'm all for supporting, I sub and buy chunks of crowns but I don't throw away my money at over valued convenience or cosmetics.

You don't have to buy them if you think they are overpriced. Just don't act like the OP and claim ZOS is stealing from you.