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Do you think mount upgrades should be transferred over to your other characters?
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Chelos✭✭✭✭✭No
There is a danger in that, you are quite right.The point is why would a business revert to an old system which would cause a popular money making item to be less popular, thus making less money...
But this idea has another side to it: With the horses the way they have been, having several horses will be a good thing.
You could have a fast one that can't carry much and is not very well armored to go places.
You could have a well armored moderately fast to get through spots in Cyrodiil.
You could have a horse loaded with bags when you're out collecting raw materials.
The additional carrying capacity would probably the worst thing to deal with if you went back to the old system.
But this way your new char could head out on a really speedy horse, if you felt like it.- Ich bin nicht merkwürdig ich bin eine limitierte Auflage!
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
I AM an altaholic. And I -still- like my characters level differently. I -still- like to have to level up each of my eight. I -still- like to have each have to research their crafting individually. I -still- like to have each have their riding train individually.Even though I'm not an altaholic I LIKE that my characters level differently.
ESO has more account-wide stuff with the champion system then -any- other game I ever was interested in. And it will be having even more yet once they implement the final phase of the chamion system.
So why does the "gimme" crowd ask for -STILL- more?
Don't they realize it will take a lot of the fun out of it?
Human nature, I suppose...
...and some people wonder why I dislike playing human characters...
Say "character advancement" instead of "levelling". Levelling is one part of it, and the part they will be taking away... but there is more to advancement then levels - like riding lessions, crafting research, skill point gain and spending, ability and skill line advancement, etc.Better than just providing everyone with insta-leveling of secondary characters. If all leveling of alts is taken away... what's there to keep people playing? ZOS should focus on making leveling interesting... not on ways to make it meaningless or even non-existent.
And yeah, I too wish there was more in those other categories to make things more interesting!
I liked that one better myself, but I can understand why they changed it, to make it easier for people to replace their old mounts with nifty new crownstore mounts, because profit.
Doesn't mean there couldn't be a better way for that either... but they choose this way, sadly.
Personally I have three characters maxed in riding, the rest working on it. And I would prefer to keep having to work on it rather then just copy the progression over...
The -only- thing I might see as possible option is having "daily riding lessions" stack like daily enlightment, so people who are unable to log in daily due to work but play for longer on the weekends are not disadvantaged, but can pay for a weeks worth of stacked riding lessions on their weekend ESO binge...0 -
Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Yes
There is a danger in that, you are quite right.The point is why would a business revert to an old system which would cause a popular money making item to be less popular, thus making less money...
But this idea has another side to it: With the horses the way they have been, having several horses will be a good thing.
You could have a fast one that can't carry much and is not very well armored to go places.
You could have a well armored moderately fast to get through spots in Cyrodiil.
You could have a horse loaded with bags when you're out collecting raw materials.
The additional carrying capacity would probably the worst thing to deal with if you went back to the old system.
But this way your new char could head out on a really speedy horse, if you felt like it.
Rolling back to the old system would only bring back the old problems. Digital vanity items will always sell, people will 'buy me a pony", (non Aussies may have to look that up, also if you weren't a 90's kid) Digital pay to progress items will almost never sell if offered ingame alternatives. And honestly 1000 crowns for 10 days per character is f**king ridiculous.Edited by Thornen on December 10, 2015 2:11PM0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesSo I think what is the simple solution is this.....
just allow people to use in game gold for larger chunks of mount progression and keep everything else as is
maybe allow people to buy 5 or more per day vs one per day.
I did a poll in another thread so no to hijack this one.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on December 10, 2015 2:35PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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FlicksZ✭✭✭YesA horse is virtually an infinite alternate stamina bar and can make a big difference depending on what your doing. I voted yes but would be happy if there were just some other ways to ease the madness.
Exp - increased with eso+, craftable items in game and crown store items.
Crafting - research times decreased with eso+, in game skill points and crowns store items.
Riding - times not decreased with eso+, no in game method to do so, only crown store items....
10 riding upgrades for 1k crowns - IC = 2.5K crowns - Orsinium = 3k Crowns - Whole riding skill via crowns store is mind boggling to me - whole time gate regarding alts if not pre prep'd is mind boggling.
*Throw ESO+ a bone and update relative horse skills to be more reasonable. Edited to sound less demanding now I've had my coffee.Edited by FlicksZ on December 10, 2015 2:44PM0 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
There is a danger in that, you are quite right.The point is why would a business revert to an old system which would cause a popular money making item to be less popular, thus making less money...
But this idea has another side to it: With the horses the way they have been, having several horses will be a good thing.
You could have a fast one that can't carry much and is not very well armored to go places.
You could have a well armored moderately fast to get through spots in Cyrodiil.
You could have a horse loaded with bags when you're out collecting raw materials.
The additional carrying capacity would probably the worst thing to deal with if you went back to the old system.
But this way your new char could head out on a really speedy horse, if you felt like it.
I think that is overly fetishized role-playing, and a small minority would actually want it. Collecting as board spectrum is more appealing. With a leisure activity the purpose is fun. Thus the major component for obtaining interest would be, is the collectable enjoyable. Fun is the function, not a tangible purpose boardering on micro-management.0 -
Divinius✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoIf you had asked, "would you like mount skill upgrades to be account-wide?" then I would have of course answered "YES!" I mean, who wouldn't?
But since the question was "should" upgrades be account-wide, I have to honestly answer, no. Gold sinks (and crown store sales) are unfortunately necessary for the game, and the character-bound mount skills provide more of both than an account-wide system would.0 -
Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Yes
There is a danger in that, you are quite right.The point is why would a business revert to an old system which would cause a popular money making item to be less popular, thus making less money...
But this idea has another side to it: With the horses the way they have been, having several horses will be a good thing.
You could have a fast one that can't carry much and is not very well armored to go places.
You could have a well armored moderately fast to get through spots in Cyrodiil.
You could have a horse loaded with bags when you're out collecting raw materials.
The additional carrying capacity would probably the worst thing to deal with if you went back to the old system.
But this way your new char could head out on a really speedy horse, if you felt like it.
Rolling back to the old system would only bring back the old problems, people (myself included) will 'buy me a pony", (non Aussies may have to look that up, also if you weren't a 90's kid) Digital vanity items will always sell, digital pay to progress items will almost never sell if offered ingame alternatives. And honestly 1000 crowns for 10 days per character is f**king ridiculous.If you had asked, "would you like mount skill upgrades to be account-wide?" then I would have of course answered "YES!" I mean, who wouldn't?
But since the question was "should" upgrades be account-wide, I have to honestly answer, no. Gold sinks (and crown store sales) are unfortunately necessary for the game, and the character-bound mount skills provide more of both than an account-wide system would.
its still a limitied gold sink that makes no sense, what difference does it make if I pay 180x250g or 18x2500g or 1x45000g? still the same gold sink. Time gating is the reason people leave games, I've seen it happen so often its not funny.-1 -
spawn_to_kill✭✭✭Yesyes please as time in pvpo when a heal or something is needed i can log and keep up with everyoneAugust Palatine
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?
It's not overly comparable. I can craft gear on one character and another can wear it. The only way this would fit as a comparison is if I could not transfer gear between characters.
No, it's not a 1:1 comparison but the core idea is there. If you want your player to have X riding skill or know X trait, you must put in the time and effort. I personally see no issue with the system the way it is. It works fine and training your riding skills are about the easiest thing there is to do in the game. This is simply a case of players proclaiming "but I want it now!".
And since there ARE those of us who like the system the way it is and enjoy that we can have different characters with different skills... it would be best if ZOS left the system the way it is.
If ZOS hadn't changed the system in the first place, we could both be happy as the riding skills were mount skills. You could have one mount you share between players that have the same skills across the board. I could have different mounts with different skills for different situations and/or characters.
I'd welcome them reverting back to that system, but not just blanket sharing of skills.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that mounts are a big money makers in the crown store. Do you really think players would contine to buy them if they had to fully train them as well? You know that's another 135 USD worth of crowns to fully train a mount, right?
At the price, and the very least it could carry over to all characters on the account rather than just one.
Then ZOS needs to leave the system as is. I do NOT want my skills to be shared and I'm not the only one.
What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Yes
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?
It's not overly comparable. I can craft gear on one character and another can wear it. The only way this would fit as a comparison is if I could not transfer gear between characters.
No, it's not a 1:1 comparison but the core idea is there. If you want your player to have X riding skill or know X trait, you must put in the time and effort. I personally see no issue with the system the way it is. It works fine and training your riding skills are about the easiest thing there is to do in the game. This is simply a case of players proclaiming "but I want it now!".
And since there ARE those of us who like the system the way it is and enjoy that we can have different characters with different skills... it would be best if ZOS left the system the way it is.
If ZOS hadn't changed the system in the first place, we could both be happy as the riding skills were mount skills. You could have one mount you share between players that have the same skills across the board. I could have different mounts with different skills for different situations and/or characters.
I'd welcome them reverting back to that system, but not just blanket sharing of skills.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that mounts are a big money makers in the crown store. Do you really think players would contine to buy them if they had to fully train them as well? You know that's another 135 USD worth of crowns to fully train a mount, right?
At the price, and the very least it could carry over to all characters on the account rather than just one.
Then ZOS needs to leave the system as is. I do NOT want my skills to be shared and I'm not the only one.
I'm all for zos making money off vanity items and will happily buy cosmetic mounts by the bucketload,(if they look good that is) but as for agreeing with mount training in crown store....well lets buy levels and skill line training in crown store because that is exactly what it is!!!1 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoLOL @Thornen. Jackie Chan is great. I should have added to that comment... I do think that allowing CROWN STORE riding lessons to be cross-character would be good. I just don't want the in-game gold training to be changed.
Of course... wouldn't that be a little pay-to-win?What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?
It's not overly comparable. I can craft gear on one character and another can wear it. The only way this would fit as a comparison is if I could not transfer gear between characters.
No, it's not a 1:1 comparison but the core idea is there. If you want your player to have X riding skill or know X trait, you must put in the time and effort. I personally see no issue with the system the way it is. It works fine and training your riding skills are about the easiest thing there is to do in the game. This is simply a case of players proclaiming "but I want it now!".
And since there ARE those of us who like the system the way it is and enjoy that we can have different characters with different skills... it would be best if ZOS left the system the way it is.
If ZOS hadn't changed the system in the first place, we could both be happy as the riding skills were mount skills. You could have one mount you share between players that have the same skills across the board. I could have different mounts with different skills for different situations and/or characters.
I'd welcome them reverting back to that system, but not just blanket sharing of skills.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that mounts are a big money makers in the crown store. Do you really think players would contine to buy them if they had to fully train them as well? You know that's another 135 USD worth of crowns to fully train a mount, right?
At the price, and the very least it could carry over to all characters on the account rather than just one.
Then ZOS needs to leave the system as is. I do NOT want my skills to be shared and I'm not the only one.
I'm curious how you justify massive leap from mount upgrades to skill lines? It seems only for the purpose over-dramatization and fear-mongering.
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DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesYes because one of the most painful things is starting a new character with a mount that is slower than actually sprinting and last for 5 seconds. I can level a V16 quicker than a mount to a reasonable speed of 40. I mean 40 days to actually get to what is the normal speed? Joke. I'd even pay 100k gold to do it.PC Master Race
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?
It's not overly comparable. I can craft gear on one character and another can wear it. The only way this would fit as a comparison is if I could not transfer gear between characters.
No, it's not a 1:1 comparison but the core idea is there. If you want your player to have X riding skill or know X trait, you must put in the time and effort. I personally see no issue with the system the way it is. It works fine and training your riding skills are about the easiest thing there is to do in the game. This is simply a case of players proclaiming "but I want it now!".
And since there ARE those of us who like the system the way it is and enjoy that we can have different characters with different skills... it would be best if ZOS left the system the way it is.
If ZOS hadn't changed the system in the first place, we could both be happy as the riding skills were mount skills. You could have one mount you share between players that have the same skills across the board. I could have different mounts with different skills for different situations and/or characters.
I'd welcome them reverting back to that system, but not just blanket sharing of skills.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that mounts are a big money makers in the crown store. Do you really think players would contine to buy them if they had to fully train them as well? You know that's another 135 USD worth of crowns to fully train a mount, right?
At the price, and the very least it could carry over to all characters on the account rather than just one.
Then ZOS needs to leave the system as is. I do NOT want my skills to be shared and I'm not the only one.
I'm curious how you justify massive leap from mount upgrades to skill lines? It seems only for the purpose over-dramatization and fear-mongering.
They are Riding Skills not Mount Upgrades... Riding Skills.... Skills.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?
It's not overly comparable. I can craft gear on one character and another can wear it. The only way this would fit as a comparison is if I could not transfer gear between characters.
No, it's not a 1:1 comparison but the core idea is there. If you want your player to have X riding skill or know X trait, you must put in the time and effort. I personally see no issue with the system the way it is. It works fine and training your riding skills are about the easiest thing there is to do in the game. This is simply a case of players proclaiming "but I want it now!".
And since there ARE those of us who like the system the way it is and enjoy that we can have different characters with different skills... it would be best if ZOS left the system the way it is.
If ZOS hadn't changed the system in the first place, we could both be happy as the riding skills were mount skills. You could have one mount you share between players that have the same skills across the board. I could have different mounts with different skills for different situations and/or characters.
I'd welcome them reverting back to that system, but not just blanket sharing of skills.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that mounts are a big money makers in the crown store. Do you really think players would contine to buy them if they had to fully train them as well? You know that's another 135 USD worth of crowns to fully train a mount, right?
At the price, and the very least it could carry over to all characters on the account rather than just one.
Then ZOS needs to leave the system as is. I do NOT want my skills to be shared and I'm not the only one.
I'm curious how you justify massive leap from mount upgrades to skill lines? It seems only for the purpose over-dramatization and fear-mongering.
They are Riding Skills not Mount Upgrades... Riding Skills.... Skills.
They have more in common with pack and bank upgrades than actual skill lines.
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
Once upon a time, they were mount upgrades.I'm curious how you justify massive leap from mount upgrades to skill lines? It seems only for the purpose over-dramatization and fear-mongering.
But for a good part of a year now, they have been riding skills.
Ever since the game went BtP and got a crown store...
The idea was to make it more attractive for people to replace their old gold-bought horses with shiny new crown-paid prettified mounts. And since having to upgrade a new mount all over again would have been a chore that might have negatively impacted their crown-mount sales, they switched the system, and made all mount-stuff -riding skills- instead of mount upgrades. Not a skill line, just riding skills.
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kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesI can see a few things not account wide, but riding skill why not, grinding multiple alts and doing somethings are just not fun to do over and over again.0 -
KewaG✭✭✭IdgafI'm on the fence on this one. I assume Idgaf means on the fence so that's what I chose.
On the one hand I like that you have to work for everything you get. On the other hand I hate that you have work so hard for everything. I mainly wish you could just pay for the upgrades and not have to log in everyday to every character to do it. I'd rather pay up front and have it be on a timer so that every 20 hours you get upgraded.
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Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭IdgafWhen the game first started you fed the mount for skills. Unless I remember it wrong, you could put the mount in the stables and pick it up with another character. But enough short sighted folks complained because they didn't want to have to buy multiple mounts and you have what we've got now.
Personally, I'd rather have a trained mount that I can keep and pass on rather than a trained rider that I feel I'm not able to delete.
They would have made more money the other way because folks have shown they want to buy different mounts. I bet very few in comparison buy the training. They could have made them cheaper too because folks would buy more of them.
But like usual folks get what they ask for, now they have to live with it.
Edit: small edit for clarification.Edited by Casdha on December 10, 2015 6:59PMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%1 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoTheShadowScout wrote: »The idea was to make it more attractive for people to replace their old gold-bought horses with shiny new crown-paid prettified mounts. And since having to upgrade a new mount all over again would have been a chore that might have negatively impacted their crown-mount sales, they switched the system, and made all mount-stuff -riding skills- instead of mount upgrades. Not a skill line, just riding skills.
Funny thing about that @TheShadowScout, it dissuades me from buying more mounts because unless I want to start a new character... it won't change my gameplay.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoHey, I only purchase new mounts when they fit any of my character ideas better then what they had originally... so yeah, my orc craftsmistress did upgrade from a brown horse to a bear with orsinium, but unless I see something and think "Oh, that'd fit way better with my character... " I don't buy the mounts.0 -
Enodoc✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI would rather see each mount upgrade be individual to that mount, as it was pre-1.6, but the mounts themselves carry upgrades between characters. But that is unlikely to happen as it would mean all newly-released mounts would start at 0.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes
Play on the PTS for that.You have the choice of several levels including V16.0