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Do you think mount upgrades should be transferred over to your other characters?
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesYes, absolutely. It's quite frustrating that things such as items, champion points, costumes, etc. are allowed to be shared to an individual's other characters. Why not something as critical and important as mount upgrades?0 -
Thornen✭✭✭✭✭YesYes but they would need to increase the cost of training appropriately ie 8x250 per train or a scaling option akin to bags (just not as ridiculously overpriced)
Edit: Removed my stupid suggestion of increasing the time it already takes long enough.Edited by Thornen on December 10, 2015 8:05AM0 -
Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Yes
For me all it would mean is not having to log in out 8 times a day to train the mules and alts I have, its a QOL issue not a free pass.0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
My BIGGEST gripe with the homogenization of the leveling experience is quite simply... this is an MMO of an existing franchise. In that franchise we have established "leveling" guidelines and norms. If players don't like the leveling norms of ESO... ok... there are other games they can go play. Even though I'm not an altaholic I LIKE that my characters level differently. All ZOS is doing with the same-i-fication of our characters is trying to hide the fact that they simply didn't put enough variety in the game for leveling options.
Instead of fixing the problem, they are providing a distraction. And boy are players eating it up! So much so that they are just asking for more!Edited by Gidorick on December 10, 2015 8:17AMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭YesOf course it should.
It never will.
You make a new toon, take it to Cyrodiil before long. Horse Simulator is boring when you have a maxed mount. Riding to and from keeps with 6 speed and 3 stamina is just painful.
So you have to buy upgrades from crown store. Money in ZOS' pockets.
It's the sole reason they do it0 -
Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Yes
My BIGGEST gripe with the homogenization of the leveling experience is quite simply... this is an MMO of an existing franchise. In that franchise we have established "leveling" guidelines and norms. If players don't like the leveling norms of ESO... ok... there are other games they can go play. Even though I'm not an altaholic I LIKE that my characters level differently. All ZOS is doing with the same-i-fication of our characters is trying to hide the fact that they simply didn't put enough variety in the game for leveling options.
Instead of fixing the problem, they are providing a distraction. And boy are players eating it up! So much so that they are just asking for more!
Lol time gating skills like riding training are the most well established homogenized way of doing something in any mmo, it doesn't mean its the best way, usually far from it.0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
My BIGGEST gripe with the homogenization of the leveling experience is quite simply... this is an MMO of an existing franchise. In that franchise we have established "leveling" guidelines and norms. If players don't like the leveling norms of ESO... ok... there are other games they can go play. Even though I'm not an altaholic I LIKE that my characters level differently. All ZOS is doing with the same-i-fication of our characters is trying to hide the fact that they simply didn't put enough variety in the game for leveling options.
Instead of fixing the problem, they are providing a distraction. And boy are players eating it up! So much so that they are just asking for more!
Lol time gating skills like riding training are the most well established homogenized way of doing something in any mmo, it doesn't mean its the best way, usually far from it.
Better than just providing everyone with insta-leveling of secondary characters. If all leveling of alts is taken away... what's there to keep people playing? ZOS should focus on making leveling interesting... not on ways to make it meaningless or even non-existent.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes
My BIGGEST gripe with the homogenization of the leveling experience is quite simply... this is an MMO of an existing franchise. In that franchise we have established "leveling" guidelines and norms. If players don't like the leveling norms of ESO... ok... there are other games they can go play. Even though I'm not an altaholic I LIKE that my characters level differently. All ZOS is doing with the same-i-fication of our characters is trying to hide the fact that they simply didn't put enough variety in the game for leveling options.
Instead of fixing the problem, they are providing a distraction. And boy are players eating it up! So much so that they are just asking for more!
Lol time gating skills like riding training are the most well established homogenized way of doing something in any mmo, it doesn't mean its the best way, usually far from it.
Better than just providing everyone with insta-leveling of secondary characters. If all leveling of alts is taken away... what's there to keep people playing? ZOS should focus on making leveling interesting... not on ways to make it meaningless or even non-existent.
How is the leveling of characters in anyway related to mount skills?PS4 EU DC
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Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Yes
My BIGGEST gripe with the homogenization of the leveling experience is quite simply... this is an MMO of an existing franchise. In that franchise we have established "leveling" guidelines and norms. If players don't like the leveling norms of ESO... ok... there are other games they can go play. Even though I'm not an altaholic I LIKE that my characters level differently. All ZOS is doing with the same-i-fication of our characters is trying to hide the fact that they simply didn't put enough variety in the game for leveling options.
Instead of fixing the problem, they are providing a distraction. And boy are players eating it up! So much so that they are just asking for more!
Lol time gating skills like riding training are the most well established homogenized way of doing something in any mmo, it doesn't mean its the best way, usually far from it.
Better than just providing everyone with insta-leveling of secondary characters. If all leveling of alts is taken away... what's there to keep people playing? ZOS should focus on making leveling interesting... not on ways to make it meaningless or even non-existent.
How is logging into 8 characters every day to click 2 buttons interesting? We are talking about mount training here not instant v16.1 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No@leepalmer95 @Thornen I'm considering all aspects of enhancing a specific character to be "leveling" that character. "Mount Skills" as you call them are "Riding Skills" of the character. the "insta-level" comments are toward the general mindset that leads to threads such as these.
Now, that being said... I've always kind of disliked the change to mounts... I liked it that we were leveling our mounts and that specific mount was getting better... but that ship has long sunk so we are stuck with what we have.
Personally I would prefer there to be so many riding skills that players are encouraged to design their mount and tweak the specific abilities they are upgrading. Like if we had a total of 12 riding skills like I suggest in my Advanced Mounts Overhaul concept thread (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159507/advanced-mounts-overhaul-concept/p1) it would take 720 days to max all riding skills. That's kind of ridiculous, so players would be encouraged to play with their riding abilities and to actually mold a build instead of just rushing to the end.
Right now I'm sure you're thinking something along the lines of "TWO YEARS?!!? NO! NO WAY! THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE!!!". Well, that's where we differ. I don't feel the need to RUSH to end game or top level and I think that desire to rush to the end just misses the point of what leveling is supposed to be... especially in a TES game. Sure, maybe two years is a bit extreme, but my point remains the same. Too many players are focused on being max-whatever right away and by catering to those players ZOS is not only going to make THOSE players loose interest (because when they get what they want they will get bored) they are going to make other players loose interest as well.
If you're logging on to 8 characters every day JUST to level your mount... I'd argue that you're doing it wrong.Edited by Gidorick on December 10, 2015 8:41AMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesYes
It demotivates me to create ult since I wont play 120$ to upgrade the mount and im not gonna wait for 6 months of logging everyday and training every ult I have.
It just doesn't make sense.
Even though I paid like 40$ twice for 2 characters to get them to max speed I would still be happy if the second character's was wasted so that it can be transferred to all my characters.
I think this is BS move from Zenimax that doesn't make any sense. Just like horses are account wide so should the training.0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Thornen✭✭✭✭✭YesBigevilpeter wrote: »Yes
It demotivates me to create ult since I wont play 120$ to upgrade the mount and im not gonna wait for 6 months of logging everyday and training every ult I have.
It just doesn't make sense.
Even though I paid like 40$ twice for 2 characters to get them to max speed I would still be happy if the second character's was wasted so that it can be transferred to all my characters.
I think this is BS move from Zenimax that doesn't make any sense. Just like horses are account wide so should the training.
Only way I'd even consider buying crown store mount upgrades is if the training was account wide, no way I'm forking out money on a per character basis with the way it's priced atm.Edited by Thornen on December 10, 2015 8:49AM0 -
Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Yes
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?
Crafting can be maxed in a few hours if you know what your doing, researching traits well why would you want to do that more than once anyway?0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoBigevilpeter wrote: »Yes
It demotivates me to create ult since I wont play 120$ to upgrade the mount and im not gonna wait for 6 months of logging everyday and training every ult I have.
It just doesn't make sense.
Even though I paid like 40$ twice for 2 characters to get them to max speed I would still be happy if the second character's was wasted so that it can be transferred to all my characters.
I think this is BS move from Zenimax that doesn't make any sense. Just like horses are account wide so should the training.
Only way I'd even consider buying crown store mount upgrades is if the training was account wide, no way I'm forking out money on a per character basis with the way it's priced atm.
Ya know... I'd be comfortable with that. If a Crown Store Riding Lesson was cross characters. ZOS needs to make money... that would encourage the purchase of that Crown Store item and those of us who like it the way it is can continue to level each Individually. I LIKE it that one character is fast, one is enduring and one is hefty.Edited by Gidorick on December 10, 2015 9:03AMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »It really doesn't make any sense other than the business profitability opportunity for ZOS to charge crowns for upgrades but that's just my opinion
Of course it's a business opportunity to make money, they are a business after all, and profits are what keep them IN business and keep the game going. With ESO being B2P and not subscription required, it is these type of items that help keep the game going. I've spent plenty on upgrades only to then decide I didn't like the character and deleted them, wasting the upgrade in the process... but I'm still OK with it because it was my choice to create and delete multiple characters after upgrading them. Oh, and another reason why I bought so many Crowns during the sale!
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?
It's not overly comparable. I can craft gear on one character and another can wear it. The only way this would fit as a comparison is if I could not transfer gear between characters.0 -
Chelos✭✭✭✭✭NoRiding is now a skillset (and the way it currently is is horrible to me).
Having this carry over to all other chars makes no sense at all.
Returning to how it was in the beginning would be the preferred option.
It would actually make sense to have different mounts.
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?
It's not overly comparable. I can craft gear on one character and another can wear it. The only way this would fit as a comparison is if I could not transfer gear between characters.
No, it's not a 1:1 comparison but the core idea is there. If you want your player to have X riding skill or know X trait, you must put in the time and effort. I personally see no issue with the system the way it is. It works fine and training your riding skills are about the easiest thing there is to do in the game. This is simply a case of players proclaiming "but I want it now!".
And since there ARE those of us who like the system the way it is and enjoy that we can have different characters with different skills... it would be best if ZOS left the system the way it is.
If ZOS hadn't changed the system in the first place, we could both be happy as the riding skills were mount skills. You could have one mount you share between players that have the same skills across the board. I could have different mounts with different skills for different situations and/or characters.
I'd welcome them reverting back to that system, but not just blanket sharing of skills.Edited by Gidorick on December 10, 2015 11:22AMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoRiding is now a skillset (and the way it currently is is horrible to me).
Having this carry over to all other chars makes no sense at all.
Returning to how it was in the beginning would be the preferred option.
It would actually make sense to have different mounts.
Yea, I'm on board with that too. Maybe we should make a poll "Should Riding Skills be Mount Skills again?"What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?
It's not overly comparable. I can craft gear on one character and another can wear it. The only way this would fit as a comparison is if I could not transfer gear between characters.
No, it's not a 1:1 comparison but the core idea is there. If you want your player to have X riding skill or know X trait, you must put in the time and effort. I personally see no issue with the system the way it is. It works fine and training your riding skills are about the easiest thing there is to do in the game. This is simply a case of players proclaiming "but I want it now!".
And since there ARE those of us who like the system the way it is and enjoy that we can have different characters with different skills... it would be best if ZOS left the system the way it is.
If ZOS hadn't changed the system in the first place, we could both be happy as the riding skills were mount skills. You could have one mount you share between players that have the same skills across the board. I could have different mounts with different skills for different situations and/or characters.
I'd welcome them reverting back to that system, but not just blanket sharing of skills.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that mounts are a big money makers in the crown store. Do you really think players would contine to buy them if they had to fully train them as well? You know that's another 135 USD worth of crowns to fully train a mount, right?
At the price, and the very least it could carry over to all characters on the account rather than just one.
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Chelos✭✭✭✭✭NoYea, I'm on board with that too. Maybe we should make a poll "Should Riding Skills be Mount Skills again?"
Actually I would like the riding to remain a charakter skill that would show how hard it is to get someone out of the saddle with an attack.
The other skills like speed, carrying ability and stamina should be per animal.
You don't have to buy any mount with crowns, there's regular horses for that.Do you really think players would contine to buy them if they had to fully train them as well? You know that's another 135 USD worth of crowns to fully train a mount, right?
At the price, and the very least it could carry over to all characters on the account rather than just one.
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesHaving this apply to all 8 of my mounts would be the only thing that might persuade me to buy the mount training scrolls from the crown store. As it is now they are far too expensive and offer too little of a benefit.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!2 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »It really doesn't make any sense other than the business profitability opportunity for ZOS to charge crowns for upgrades but that's just my opinion
Of course it's a business opportunity to make money, they are a business after all, and profits are what keep them IN business and keep the game going. With ESO being B2P and not subscription required, it is these type of items that help keep the game going. I've spent plenty on upgrades only to then decide I didn't like the character and deleted them, wasting the upgrade in the process... but I'm still OK with it because it was my choice to create and delete multiple characters after upgrading them. Oh, and another reason why I bought so many Crowns during the sale!
Ahhhh those crowns....definatley purchased a lot too but it isn't a good use of crowns IMO.
The change of mounts from what did exist to now begs mount upgrades to follow the same path. It use to be upgrades per mount and each mount only belonged to one character unless purchased on the crown store
I'd much rather all mounts be on the crown store and pay that way vs waiting for them to reappear and instead spend crowns on upgrades for each character. I've only purchased approx 20 PTS and those came from bundles but I've purchased a few mounts and costumes. But mainly exp scrolls is where I spend crownsEdited by NewBlacksmurf on December 10, 2015 12:00PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Yes
What if I don't want to wait the however many days it takes to level crafting? Should that be automatically leveled too? Where's the line?
It's not overly comparable. I can craft gear on one character and another can wear it. The only way this would fit as a comparison is if I could not transfer gear between characters.
No, it's not a 1:1 comparison but the core idea is there. If you want your player to have X riding skill or know X trait, you must put in the time and effort. I personally see no issue with the system the way it is. It works fine and training your riding skills are about the easiest thing there is to do in the game. This is simply a case of players proclaiming "but I want it now!".
And since there ARE those of us who like the system the way it is and enjoy that we can have different characters with different skills... it would be best if ZOS left the system the way it is.
If ZOS hadn't changed the system in the first place, we could both be happy as the riding skills were mount skills. You could have one mount you share between players that have the same skills across the board. I could have different mounts with different skills for different situations and/or characters.
I'd welcome them reverting back to that system, but not just blanket sharing of skills.
Honestly what difference is it in the long run? Like I said earlier logging onto 8 characters once a day to click 2 buttons to train a mount up is no different than having to put a mount into the bank before switching to a character. It's a QOL issue as it stands its bad as it is, 180 days per character to max out the riding skills. Nothing you can do besides paying rl money can speed this up, and at the price they charge 1000 crowns for 10 ranks = 18000 crowns per character x8 =144000 crowns total...well unless I marry an oil baron I don't think I will ever consider paying for 1 crown store upgrade.
TL:DR Hell just make mount upgrades account bound increase the cost to 2.5k and time to 48hrs. That way we plebs don't have to log onto 8 characters a day to click 2 buttons and would probably even spend some of those crowns that are sitting there waiting for the next xpac. Or option 2, let us log onto 1 character and click 8 buttons (honestly at this point my preferred option), let us mount train any character on our account from the stables without having to switch.1 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
You don't have to buy any mount with crowns, there's regular horses for that.Do you really think players would contine to buy them if they had to fully train them as well? You know that's another 135 USD worth of crowns to fully train a mount, right?
At the price, and the very least it could carry over to all characters on the account rather than just one.
Even training bought steeds can be done without crowns.
The point is why would a business revert to an old system which would cause a popular money making item to be less popular, thus making less money...
If ZOS rolled back the way mounts worked and players had to train them individually that would make players less likely to buy new crown store mounts. The fact that players can buy mounts with in game currency doesn't factor into a question of why would a company choose to cut off a revenue stream.
Conversely making at least the crown bought mount upgrades account wide makes them more attractive to customers.0
