Wrecking blow needs changed

a1x23

Right now WB is a problem. I think WB should be bashable again. Any other ability with a cast time is bashable. Also I think the empower from WB should NOT apply to WB. It is arguably the hardest hitting single target ability in the game and adding empower on top is just ridiculous. I mean lets compare it to crystal frags. CF cant proc itself and is bashable. WB is hitting from 20 meters half the time, isn't bashable, empowers itself and is easily animation canceled. This isn't a l2p issue either. Normally WB is comes right after a gap closer which seems to stun you for a second or two. I dont want to see the damage from it lowered I just would like to see these small changes and I would be happy. Just so people dont think I am biased my second most used toon is a stam sorc with WB and I even see the problem with this ability.

Skinzz

I rarely get killed by wb and it's basically useless in a group fight. No nerf is needed.

Forestd16b14_ESO

WB is broken.

WB needs fixed.

No one will listen about WB.

They want WB to stay broken.

WB is the I win button.

Players want there I win button so players want WB.

americansteel

problems- CC break, magic NBs, Sorc sheilding, crystal frags, ambush, DKs and templars nerfs since early launch, talons, CP in cyrodiil, i witnessed 1 not multiple but 1 sorc solo a flag boss in IC,

wrecking blow is the main source of DPS for a two hand player.

Johngo0036

@xskinzcity - USELESS in Group play, WHAT are you smoking,........

EVERY AD and EP(prob DC Too) group i run into has 4+ players spamming it,
you get wrecking blowed from all sides and tell me its USELESS in Group play....

That is a laughable comment..

lolo_01b16_ESO

Great idea, make melee skills interruptable, then I'll get a masters sword and the set that heals you on each interrupt, use la+puncture+bash and no stam build that is not a nb will ever kill me.

Skinzz

Clearly you're not using CCs or dodge rolling if you're getting wrecked by WB. Seems like only low levels use WB so its on you if you get hit by it. Try spamming WB in a group fight and you would be the first to die. Its only single target and has a cast time. You're probably just a sitting target .

Tdroid

Is Wrecking Blow too powerful in PvP? Maybe. I've seen arguments either way. It is a hard-hitting ability, but it is also one of the hard-hitting abilities that are the easiest to avoid. Crystal Frags and Surprise Attack come to mind as less avoidable single target DPS abilities. The soft-Crowd Control immunity seems to be a necessity to have it even playable, with the 1 second wind-up. It is melee ranged, after all. Uselss if you can just be bashed out of it, since you're always in the range of bashing with it.

What I do know, however, is that nerfing Wrecking Blow will likely outright kill Stamina Dragonknights and Sorcerers because they have no other reliable single target ability, Such a shame that ZOS has let Stamina DKs and Sorcs be dependent on it, rather than give them reliable stamina abilities in the class skills.

SemiD4rkness

Almost all NBs slot SA over wrecking blow, nerf SA. Almost all templars slot Jabs over wrecking blow, nerf jabs. If Dks got stam whip they would all use it over wrecking blow. It's a good skill but certainly not OP.

Tomato

I think we should make WB animation take less time then.

DaveMoeDee

Not all abilities should do equal damage. Those that do more damage need costs or need to be easily avoided.

WB is easily avoided. Avoid it. When you don't, it has a big impact. There is nothing wrong with that. It might kill you at times, but there are plenty of battles where you repeated dodge people's wrecking blow before killing them.

I disagree with the comment that WB has no value in a group fight. It is effective if you see a few people fighting, run over and WB one of the from behind. Just don't use it when you are engaged.

Luigi_Vampa

I wish I could Wrecking Blow this thread.

Alucardo

My stam sorc is telling you to shut the hell up right now

Dakrana_Thrazvoth

Wrecking blow is not the real problem. Broken CC immunity and cut animation are the problem.

Runkorko

a1x23 wrote: »

Right now WB is a problem. I think WB should be bashable again. Any other ability with a cast time is bashable. Also I think the empower from WB should NOT apply to WB. It is arguably the hardest hitting single target ability in the game and adding empower on top is just ridiculous. I mean lets compare it to crystal frags. CF cant proc itself and is bashable. WB is hitting from 20 meters half the time, isn't bashable, empowers itself and is easily animation canceled. This isn't a l2p issue either. Normally WB is comes right after a gap closer which seems to stun you for a second or two. I dont want to see the damage from it lowered I just would like to see these small changes and I would be happy. Just so people dont think I am biased my second most used toon is a stam sorc with WB and I even see the problem with this ability.

+1

ItsRejectz

That old chestnut "WB is our only source of DPS"
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not. Its your easiest source of DPS! For instance, animation canceling light attack/ransack/bash puts out more DPS, but that requires you to press more than one button, which most WB spammers have problems with

Runkorko

xskinzcity wrote: »

I rarely get killed by wb and it's basically useless in a group fight. No nerf is needed.

WB is easy to counter 1v1. In grp fights you get WB in your arse and you are dead before you even react. Yea yea L2P inc .... I know. With 24k armor i stil recive 10k WB hits/imagine if you wear cloth or medium or if ZoS finaly listen to more of you and remove 50% reduce dmg taken in cyrodil/ @FENGRUSH read this topics and i want to ask him smth... How when WB is useless in grp fights, you and your friend / yes just 2 of you/ menage to kill 10 players grp only with WB spam last night ? Yes i know they are pve and they have no idea what to do in general BUT this wont change facts - 2 players spaming SINGLE target skill menage to kill grp of 10 /with atleast 2 healers/. Dont get me wrong Feng, we all know what you, Sypher, Leffty and Richard do for this game. Thanks to you guys we can live long enough to see arena and small scale pvp. But lets not deny facts, we cant have HARD hiting dmg CC skill which aply dmg boost at the same time.
And to be honets, WB itself is not the problem. The problem is the time you need to break CC from such skills like Fear WB and Reverberating Bash.

Alucardo

ItsRejectz wrote: »

That old chestnut "WB is our only source of DPS"
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not. Its your easiest source of DPS! For instance, animation canceling light attack/ransack/bash puts out more DPS, but that requires you to press more than one button, which most WB spammers have problems with

It also means you have to roll with S+B, which not everyone enjoys doing. This is the importance of DD abilities in class skill trees, to allow people to play however the hell they want. Nobody should be forced to use particular weapons if they don't want to.
Honestly though, I hate relying on Wrecking blow, but for me it's the most effective skill. High damage, knock down, empower and it even gets buffed on low health players when Executioner is on my bar. Why wouldn't I use it on a stam sorc or stam DK?
Yes, S+B can be good too and I use it as a backup DPS on my stam DK, but only works in your favour if you're fluent in animation cancelling or can tank incoming damage at the same time, otherwise you're a sitting duck.

Jade1986

Ive said it once and ill say it again, this is a symptom of the 2 handed tree being garbage. It only has one powerful ability and the other 3 are just garbage , save for executioner when the enemy has low health.

It will NOT be bashable -ever- again, watch ANY videos from when the game frist came out and you will see why. Ranged abilities are bashable because they are RANGED, so they are not constantly in danger of being bashed. Block with your sword and shield for gods sake if you are snb , they will run out of stamina before you do. There are more than enough tools to counter it.

Runkorko

laced wrote: »

Ive said it once and ill say it again, this is a symptom of the 2 handed tree being garbage. It only has one powerful ability and the other 3 are just garbage , save for executioner when the enemy has low health.

decent heal+ dmg buff with slow/root immunity. high dmg charge or chgarge slow,nice execute+ great pasives and you call them garbage ? Do you even pvp?

Mumyo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYNgamnjimo&list=LLN85g0qa0_A4_Uwq_5yceDw

at 13:00, Templar with bashable WB against crushing shock sorc which is perma interrupt and it still works fine...

Also it had a longer casttime in 1.5 and earlierl... Works just fine but u need brains for it.
Making this bashable would put a stop to stupid spamming of abilities.
Wb should be something u use out of a good situation to burst someone down but not to spam it for a free win, this only makes noobs strong and hurts the experienced players. Literally makes em leave.

a1x23

Maybe making it bashable isn't the answer. But I still think the empower should NOT apply to WB.

blur

Once the WB whining stops, it will be something else. It's a never-ending cycle. Myopic and poor players always need a scapegoat.
Wrecking Blow is not the problem. Players who are playing poorly while removing themselves from the equation are.

Galalin

a1x23 wrote: »

Maybe making it bashable isn't the answer. But I still think the empower should NOT apply to WB.

Here let me solve this for you.... empower does NOT apply to the next WB... there.

Jesus so many ppl commenting that don't have a clue. I died to something nerf it and just keep making stuff up till it gets nerfed.

Just curious what testing you did to confirm that the empower from wb applies on the next wb?

DK SCRUB OUT

Zohr

Wrecking Blow is one of the most easily countered abilities out there. You seem them winding it up? Walk in to them. Roll dodge out. Stay on top of them. So many options people don't seem to think about...

Asmael

Vâo wrote: »

Wrecking blow is not the real problem. Broken CC immunity and cut animation are the problem.

Just this.

Also, f****'d up range. Ability would be fine without all the bugs...

altemriel

a1x23 wrote: »

Right now WB is a problem. I think WB should be bashable again. Any other ability with a cast time is bashable. Also I think the empower from WB should NOT apply to WB. It is arguably the hardest hitting single target ability in the game and adding empower on top is just ridiculous. I mean lets compare it to crystal frags. CF cant proc itself and is bashable. WB is hitting from 20 meters half the time, isn't bashable, empowers itself and is easily animation canceled. This isn't a l2p issue either. Normally WB is comes right after a gap closer which seems to stun you for a second or two. I dont want to see the damage from it lowered I just would like to see these small changes and I would be happy. Just so people dont think I am biased my second most used toon is a stam sorc with WB and I even see the problem with this ability.

no more nerfing to the DKs pls!!

you still can dodge roll trought the DK when starting the WB. DKs are so much nerfed, that WB is their biggest skill, so please learn to play and do not ask for more nerfs on this class!

no offence pls, but I just had to write it!

Olen_Mikko

This again? My god, just L2P, or learn to counter. Not everything should be easy (altough countering wb is) and changed, just because people can't or won't counter.

I occasionally don't notice wb is being casted and take couple swings at me, probably die, but i don't complaing. I should've countered it.

Orchish

It's so easy to counter though. constantly moving in and around them through their body cancels their wrecking blow.

Emma_Overload

I don't think WB needs to be nerfed, BUT......

It's time for all the OTHER attacks with cast times to be buffed! Abilities like Crystal Blast and Dark Flare are USELESS in PvP because they're so easily interrupted. It's totally bogus that only Wrecking Blow gets a free pass, considering it's the hardest hitting non-Ultimate in the game.

Emma_Overload

Orchish wrote: »

It's so easy to counter though. constantly moving in and around them through their body cancels their wrecking blow.

That only works when you're not already lying on the ground. There are guys out there who can time their WBs so that you're perma-stunned. I hate it!