New Items Available in the Crown Store - 12/3 (all platforms)

Hanokihs

Enodoc wrote: »

Copying in here what I put in another thread:

Enodoc wrote: »

This is getting very close to that Crown Store red line of reward for effort. You shouldn't be able to get the rewards for something if you don't put in the effort. Here, you're getting the rewards for the quests (albeit not all the rewards, as the quest also gives XP) without having to do the quests. It wouldn't be so much of an issue if these items gave you the initial disease (Noxiphilic Sanguivoria or Sanies Lupinus) rather than the skill line directly, as then you'd still need to do the quest (ie, put in the effort) to get the reward.

It's not even effort, really. If players can sprint to the shrine, get bitten by a random nice person, and then complete the quests at levels as low as 10-15, who really cares? I certainly wouldn't say the process involves any amount of serious trying.

Sure, there's an achievement, but hey, that's absolutely useless.

Sure there are dyes involved, but since both werewolf colors are brown (like that isn't hard to come by...) and vampire doesn't unlock both until at least level 45 (give or take), the value of those rewards doesn't change.

I don't even see how this is P2W, considering vamps and werewolves have godawful Weaksauce Weaknesses in PVP and dungeons. These are vanity skills at best; when it comes to truly competetive builds, they hardly serve any purpose at all.

BomblePants

You know what - if there weren't so many people charging for bites, scamming and being total a**e about bites - they prob would have never appeared in the cs.

I am a warewolf who received a free bite and also gives all her bites free - but I have began to cringe and the terrible behaviour of my fellow hounds at the shrine.... If I am not in ww form I am constantly asked to trade, or receive messages such as '10k and I bite you' !!

I honestly believe these items were put in the store to combat exactly this kind of stuff.... and as a ww who did do the whole quest etc... I still think that it kinda serves some folks right....

Pepper8Jack

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Pepper8Jack wrote: »

As someone who has been playing since launch on consoles non-stop, with well over 500 hours logged and over 300 of those on a single character; who from week 1 was trying to get a vampire bite on my main; spent dozens of hours waiting at spawn points never seeing a blood spawn appear and dozens more sitting at the shrine only to get repeatedly scammed; who became so frustrated with the experience after trying every in-game night for more than a month, just gave up on the whole idea and changed my desired build to adapt to it, I am thrilled this is finally in the crown store.

I already have been bitten by a friend on an alt in another faction, did the quest and became a vampire the "legit" way. I have literally no desire to try doing so again on my main. This will save me time, and more importantly sanity, being able to just buy it from the store. That is literally the definition of convenience.

You can call literally anything a convenience.
"Want a top level character but don't want to invest the time and effort? Just buy it, its convenience.
Want a monster helm and shoulder, cool its in the crown store now, because who wants to waste all that time and sanity grinding for it when you can just buy it! Convenient!"

I'm sorry you had such a hard time getting a bite, that is crappy. But that's the way they designed it. As someone who has been here since PC launch, has about 60 days of playtime on a single character and has had to go through the same thing as everyone else to get a bite in this game, this is bogus. (only reason i mention my playtime is bc for some reason you thought yours was valid for your own argument)

My point is only this, they keep saying they wont add anything but convenience items. Anything can be called a convenience. Getting a bite this way, with no effort on your part but your credit card info, to get an entire skill line plus an achievement and a color (obviously only if its the first time) not even having to do a quest! is just, well its disheartening.

Whatever. ZOS is just running this game into the ground and we are all along for the ride anyway.

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Pepper8Jack wrote: »

As someone who has been playing since launch on consoles non-stop, with well over 500 hours logged and over 300 of those on a single character; who from week 1 was trying to get a vampire bite on my main; spent dozens of hours waiting at spawn points never seeing a blood spawn appear and dozens more sitting at the shrine only to get repeatedly scammed; who became so frustrated with the experience after trying every in-game night for more than a month, just gave up on the whole idea and changed my desired build to adapt to it, I am thrilled this is finally in the crown store.

I already have been bitten by a friend on an alt in another faction, did the quest and became a vampire the "legit" way. I have literally no desire to try doing so again on my main. This will save me time, and more importantly sanity, being able to just buy it from the store. That is literally the definition of convenience.

You can call literally anything a convenience.
"Want a top level character but don't want to invest the time and effort? Just buy it, its convenience.
Want a monster helm and shoulder, cool its in the crown store now, because who wants to waste all that time and sanity grinding for it when you can just buy it! Convenient!"

I'm sorry you had such a hard time getting a bite, that is crappy. But that's the way they designed it. As someone who has been here since PC launch, has about 60 days of playtime on a single character and has had to go through the same thing as everyone else to get a bite in this game, this is bogus. (only reason i mention my playtime is bc for some reason you thought yours was valid for your own argument)

My point is only this, they keep saying they wont add anything but convenience items. Anything can be called a convenience. Getting a bite this way, with no effort on your part but your credit card info, to get an entire skill line plus an achievement and a color (obviously only if its the first time) not even having to do a quest! is just, well its disheartening.

Whatever. ZOS is just running this game into the ground and we are all along for the ride anyway.

A couple of things I need to address here:

Including play time was absolutely relevant to my anecdote.

Arguing that anything can be called convenience is blatantly taking my point to the extreme. Yes, you could call a max level boost or set gear "convenience", but there's a distinct difference between those things and vamp/ww: vamp/ww don't inherently put you at an advantage over people who don't have it. Getting monster sets or level boosts do give you that. The point I was making is that people who aren't like us, who won't (or can't) put months of playtime in will not demonstrate the same commitment to getting these kinds of things, but may still want to be able to play as a vampire. This allows those people that opportunity.

And frankly for people who are like us, how many times do you have to go through this process before you're sick of it? Honestly if I start a new character build with the intention of playing ww, or if I want to switch my sorc to a vamp, I don't want to have to jump through all of the hoops again and again to do it. It's for this same reason that I don't mind xp scrolls on the store.

So until they are selling set gear, level boosts, damage boosts, AP gains, etc., I'm fine with it, because what they are offering isn't going to make me rage quit when I get killed by it in pvp.

All that being said, I would prefer that they left it so that you still have to do the quest, but that's not what were discussing at the moment.

godagarah5000

now what we need is a marcus corvinus hybrid form aka vampire lord form which its clearly based off of

Lava_Croft

Just make us pay 10000 crowns for Undaunted armor sets pieces with random traits already.

Glaiceana

BomblePants wrote: »

You know what - if there weren't so many people charging for bites, scamming and being total a**e about bites - they prob would have never appeared in the cs.

I am a warewolf who received a free bite and also gives all her bites free - but I have began to cringe and the terrible behaviour of my fellow hounds at the shrine.... If I am not in ww form I am constantly asked to trade, or receive messages such as '10k and I bite you' !!

I honestly believe these items were put in the store to combat exactly this kind of stuff.... and as a ww who did do the whole quest etc... I still think that it kinda serves some folks right....

As I said in another thread, this will not stop scammers. Do you think they care about Crown Store bites? They will continue to scam no matter what. If anything, it's even easier for them to scam people. Because now the bites have been given real money value, more people will want it but not all can afford it or have an ability to buy crowns. So then they will try to look for bites in game even more. So the scammers get even more chances to steal 10k from people.

Hanokihs

Glaiceana wrote: »

As I said in another thread, this will not stop scammers. Do you think they care about Crown Store bites? They will continue to scam no matter what. If anything, it's even easier for them to scam people. Because now the bites have been given real money value, more people will want it but not all can afford it or have an ability to buy crowns. So then they will try to look for bites in game even more. So the scammers get even more chances to steal 10k from people.

I see your point, but I don't think that's true. The Crown Store items cater to impatient people, or those who've done the quests before and don't want to do them again. When it comes to waiting around at the shrines, I've watched who shows up, and as far as I can tell there are generally three kinds of people (not including those already infected):

• those who are impatient (and want to buy their bite from someone quickly),
• those who already have someone to bite them for free, and
• those who just stick around playing the lute until some random person comes along and asks if anybody needs one.

Most people who get scammed seem to fall into the first category; I've seen them stand there, asking every single person who shows up if they're willing to bite. They constantly advertise that they're willing to give money for it, and eventually, someone will come along, take advantage of them, and run away. The CS item will eliminate this problem for those people.

Most people who have already been bitten before on other characters fall into the second category; they've already got friends or guildmates who are vamp/werewolves, so they don't need to ask for anything. The only reason someone like this would by the CS item is so that they can skip the quest or infect a level 1 character with the disease without worrying about taking food/potions with them and sprinting to the shrine. The CS item will eliminate the problem for these people.

Those who frequent the forums or have never offered money for a bite largely fall into the latter category. They already know about scammers, but never worry about them, because they know someone will show up and give away what they want for free. For these people, patience is their payment.

Ultimately, scamming activity should decrease from this, not increase. Theoretically, wouldn't more people rather save up money for Crowns and avoid the shrines completely now that they have a chance? Fewer buyers offering gold, fewer victims of theft, right?

Glaiceana

@Hanokihs Indeed I see the same categories for people at the shrines. However, while I do agree impatient people are more likely to get scammed, when asking every wolf for the bite, I'm not sure there are many of them that would instead rush to buy the bite for that amount of crowns. You have to consider how much money 1500 crowns is. IF they have a stock pile of crowns or money to spare, then sure, perhaps they would buy it without a second thought, just to get the skill line faster.

I guess you are right that the scamming shouldn't increase because of the CS bites. But I still don't think it will stop.

So far all I've noticed is more people desperately asking for bites in the zone chats.

Hanokihs

@Glaiceana Well, the same could be said of anything sold in the CS - that exploitation by players of the in-game gold version won't stop. I mean, most motifs are there too (all but 3?), but that doesn't stop guild stores from price gouging individual pages anyway, right?

Maybe losing a little gold is the price of learning patience and caution.

I've noticed more people asking for free ones, too; despite them being a nuisance, I do take time to mention that there's a thread dedicated to asking for free bites here on the forums, and suggest that they just wait around or come back to the shrine in a few hours and politely ask again.

Arguably, the real way to stop scammers is to prevent them having a steady supply of victims; if more people are aware of the alternatives - particularly new players who want to try the skills or who just think vamps/wolves are cool - they won't be as likely to throw away all their money. Kind of like it's always nice to point out that it's worth the effort to try several different guild kiosks before paying those exorbitant prices being listed or shouted in some major hubs.

Skullstachio

This has got to be one of their best Crown Store Items yet, & for multiple reasons.

1: people in the game itself will be less likely to fall for other people's scams. (players can walk away from Vampires/Werewolves charging gold for bites knowing they can just get it from the crown store instead, thus saving their hard earned gold from a fate worse than death.)

2: it will save time for low level players who wish to become a Vampire or Werewolf Immediately. (or at their own leisure.)

Kudos to Zenimax Online. Keep up the good work.

BlueViolet

Dual.sphereeb17_ESO wrote: »

No, the complaints here is that this opens a precedent for skipping content.

Agreed.
I'm not going to reiterate some of the excellent points made by others here especially what @Vyle_Byte has written, but I think this is a very sad and sorry thing to see in the store.

Hanokihs

BlueViolet wrote: »

Dual.sphereeb17_ESO wrote: »

No, the complaints here is that this opens a precedent for skipping content.

Agreed.
I'm not going to reiterate some of the excellent points made by others here especially what @Vyle_Byte has written, but I think this is a very sad and sorry thing to see in the store.

When it comes to "skipping content," the issue should be judged on a case-by-case basis.

On the one hand, yes, they are enabling people to skip 1 or 2 quests in order to gain an immediate reward.
On the other hand, the quests are hopelessly simple, and the reward granted isn't of substantial value in terms of gameplay, especially when it comes to PVP interactions.

I mean, the tutorial is "content" but we're allowed to skip that because it's tedious and painfully easy; the only reason new players can't is because there's no other way to teach the mechanics (and it's part of the story). The quests to become a werewolf or vampire are also painfully easy.

Skipping content in a game is not inherently bad; it's only when the process gives substantial rewards and/or advantage over other players that it becomes a problem. Werewolf/Vampire bites and skills are neither.

BlueViolet

Hanokihs wrote: »

BlueViolet wrote: »

Dual.sphereeb17_ESO wrote: »

No, the complaints here is that this opens a precedent for skipping content.

Agreed.
I'm not going to reiterate some of the excellent points made by others here especially what @Vyle_Byte has written, but I think this is a very sad and sorry thing to see in the store.

When it comes to "skipping content," the issue should be judged on a case-by-case basis.

On the one hand, yes, they are enabling people to skip 1 or 2 quests in order to gain an immediate reward.
On the other hand, the quests are hopelessly simple, and the reward granted isn't of substantial value in terms of gameplay, especially when it comes to PVP interactions.

I mean, the tutorial is "content" but we're allowed to skip that because it's tedious and painfully easy; the only reason new players can't is because there's no other way to teach the mechanics (and it's part of the story). The quests to become a werewolf or vampire are also painfully easy.

Skipping content in a game is not inherently bad; it's only when the process gives substantial rewards and/or advantage over other players that it becomes a problem. Werewolf/Vampire bites and skills are neither.

I completely disagree.
But you're entitled to your opinion, however misguided I believe that mindset is.

MornaBaine

It's realllly lame but I can live with it. Maybe it's a sign that they'll be willing to listen to vampire and werewolf players eventually and give us better cosmetic options for both!

But what I really want to know is....

WHAT IS THE VAMPIRE IN THAT TOP PIC WEARING??? I WANT IT!!!!!!!!!!

found1779

godagarah5000 wrote: »

now what we need is a marcus corvinus hybrid form aka vampire lord form which its clearly based off of

I agree and also a werewolf item that lets us change are werewolf fur color and a werewolf polymorph that lets people with lycanthropy stay a werewolf

found1779

Someone made a datamining thread a while back and it said werewolf lord and vampire lord now I know what a vampire lord looks like but what does a werewolf lord look like anyone know they said in that datamining thread they might be in the crownstore