New crown store item's! (Crown store hype thread 1)

Tomato

The game has already failed

Swundead

Tomato wrote: »

The game has already failed

Ahhhhhhhhhh!

I was waiting for this comment to hit this thread

Banana

I dont like tomatoes

vyrusb23

Banana wrote: »

I dont like tomatoes

They're kind of like the black sheep or ..... FAILURE .... of the fruit community. ;-)

ADarklore

Divinius wrote: »

That's what they said about the game going F2P.

(...or B2P, for the clowns out there that will jump on correcting me.)

I think we need a bit of a reality check here. When early statements were made, they were not aware of all the implications of a year-long delay in console development and subsequent changes to the PC game version, along with changes in the gaming world overall. Trying to hold a business to something they say in the past while the world around them changes and not allowing them to make changes to remain viable is just silly. The fact is, ESO's launch on PC went poorly and they generated a lot of bad press, then pulling console launch and delaying it indefinitely didn't help them at all, especially financially. They understood that IF they were to bring console players into the game, after such a long delay and negative press, they couldn't expect to rely on subscriptions to keep the game viable. No doubt the extra year of development for the console also cost Bethesda a huge budget overrun, and they were not in any mood to risk losing more money by relying solely on subscriptions to recoup their losses. Going B2P was the 'happy medium' which allowed them to gain a massive amount of cash upfront, while allowing the game to rely in optional subscriptions and Crown Store items to generate money over the long term.

Divinius

ADarklore wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

That's what they said about the game going F2P.

(...or B2P, for the clowns out there that will jump on correcting me.)

I think we need a bit of a reality check here. When early statements were made, they were not aware of all the implications of a year-long delay in console development and subsequent changes to the PC game version, along with changes in the gaming world overall. Trying to hold a business to something they say in the past while the world around them changes and not allowing them to make changes to remain viable is just silly. The fact is, ESO's launch on PC went poorly and they generated a lot of bad press, then pulling console launch and delaying it indefinitely didn't help them at all, especially financially. They understood that IF they were to bring console players into the game, after such a long delay and negative press, they couldn't expect to rely on subscriptions to keep the game viable. No doubt the extra year of development for the console also cost Bethesda a huge budget overrun, and they were not in any mood to risk losing more money by relying solely on subscriptions to recoup their losses. Going B2P was the 'happy medium' which allowed them to gain a massive amount of cash upfront, while allowing the game to rely in optional subscriptions and Crown Store items to generate money over the long term.

You misunderstand me. I totally get why ESO went B2P. In fact, I was one of the (many) people that saw it coming months before it did. And I was never one to blame ZOS for "going back on their word" when it happened. I wasn't happy, but I fully understood why it happened.

By "they", I was referring to the very vocal forum posters that keep blindly insisting that "this game will NEVER drop the sub model" right up until the day it was actually announced that they were dropping the sub model.

All I'm saying is never say "never". Putting P2W items (like straight up buying champ points) in the crown store will happen, eventually. Hopefully not any time soon, but before the game dies, I would bet a month's pay that they will try a P2W cash shop before they decide to just shut down the servers.

Morgnarak

Hype it up! I'm hyped too! I can't wait!

ADarklore

Divinius wrote: »

All I'm saying is never say "never". Putting P2W items (like straight up buying champ points) in the crown store will happen, eventually. Hopefully not any time soon, but before the game dies, I would bet a month's pay that they will try a P2W cash shop before they decide to just shut down the servers.

Well, I WILL say 'never' to CP being put in the Crown Store because CP is, with the removal of VR, going to be our new LEVELING system. I have never seen ANY MMO, even in the final days, allowing people to BUY their level... it would be a huge black mark on Bethesda and they will not ruin their reputation by allowing ESO to do that. If anything, they would make gaining CP even easier by perhaps lowering XP requirements even further and putting in 100% XP Scrolls... but they will never (I here I said it again) add the ability to buy CP in the Crown Store.

Mettaricana

Sadly gotta wait two weeks for thia stuff..

kevlarto_ESO

Baby Netch, maybe, I am not a big collector of things like that but the Netch is kinda cool and having a trailing gas bag behind me is fitting for some reason..LOL

Fissh

CJohnson81 wrote: »

Fissh wrote: »

CJohnson81 wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

This isn't anything personal it's just really surprising to me that these personality types exist in such numbers as to sustain such a whack business model.

I could personally never buy this garbage and it's really hard for me to wrap my head around people who do.

Just look at these forums light up about the new crown store items. It's kind of disgusting TBH.

What personality type is that you're talking about? Is it the poisonous kind that comments on someone else's post to belittle them? You see people having fun and you have to rain on their parade? Your comment is disgusting.

Hmmm....maybe enabling a blood suckling business model ruins other people's fun?
Just a thought.

Just a thought, don't buy add-ons you don't find valuable? I play drums. I buy the equipment I do because it suits my needs. Is there more expensive equipment? Yes. Is there fancy-looking equipment with questionable utility? Yes. Do I spam the drum companies' message boards when they make those products? Never. Do I find forums where people are excited about new drum products and call their enthusiasm disgusting because I have some personal issue with the drum company making money? No, I'm not a sociopath.

So much personal judgement. Sociopath? Really man?
Listen, I do not buy what I do not need. Micro transactions do not entice me to buy things. You have missed my.point entirely by focusing on judgement.
This business model has yet to be proven long term success. WOW anyone? Long term it was. Trials, a base game of mechanics (meta changes every big patch), etc, should be more in focus. Quick money versus money in the come back. Hold your tongue young man on judgement and understand the argument first.

Iluvrien

ADarklore wrote: »

I think we need a bit of a reality check here. When early statements were made, they were not aware of all the implications of a year-long delay in console development and subsequent changes to the PC game version, along with changes in the gaming world overall. Trying to hold a business to something they say in the past while the world around them changes and not allowing them to make changes to remain viable is just silly. The fact is, ESO's launch on PC went poorly and they generated a lot of bad press, then pulling console launch and delaying it indefinitely didn't help them at all, especially financially. They understood that IF they were to bring console players into the game, after such a long delay and negative press, they couldn't expect to rely on subscriptions to keep the game viable. No doubt the extra year of development for the console also cost Bethesda a huge budget overrun, and they were not in any mood to risk losing more money by relying solely on subscriptions to recoup their losses. Going B2P was the 'happy medium' which allowed them to gain a massive amount of cash upfront, while allowing the game to rely in optional subscriptions and Crown Store items to generate money over the long term.

Yes, how dare we expect to hold a business to the things it said that encouraged us to: a) buy their product in the first place, b) subscribe to the service they provided, c) publicly defend their statements about having no plans to drop subs right up to the point where they announced to the contrary (less than 2 months before the rebrand).

... because that would be "silly".

The poor launch and the console delays were things that were within ZOS's power to change. I am not sure by what power of which deity you think these events were imposed upon an innocent ZOS, but what I do find "silly" is the idea that there was no other path for ZOS to have taken, between closed beta and the point at which we now find ourselves, that could have prevented this mess.

FelixTheCatt

I'm not really a mount person so .... ones just as good as another imo. Some if the appearance/costumes look good. Too pricey for me to mess with though. Pets are kinda meh. Again, they serve no real purpose either.

Spacemonkey

Xeven wrote: »

You said you were "disgusted" by the types of players who enjoy this stuff. Those types of players aren't the ones you should be disgusted by.

I never said anything of the sort so I stopped reading there. I said that I was disgusted at being lied to and strung along and I said I was disgusted at this business model.

Regardless of what you would like to believe I never meant for this argument to continue into the next page but its twisted comments like these that kept me here.

I will leave with an apology to anyone who might have been offended.

@Xeven I agree with you regarding the business model, I think somewhere in the middle they could've done a better job to increase their original dwindling player base, etc... (It would be a wall of text)

To the 'offense' you've caused;

You sir, are a prick, an inconsiderate ***, a quite shallow human being to be franck.

But please don't take it personally - if you did, you would be proving me right ; )


(but you can totally send me hate mail if you did - no one will know - I'll keep it a secret)

Ch4mpTW

I'm REALLY excited for the new content coming out. Especially the mounts and clothes. Now is the time I'm really thankful that I spent so much money on getting those 5500 crowns for the discounted price they were listed as. As well as being happy I'm an ESO Plus subscriber.

The_Great_Maldini

AfkNinja wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

puffy99 wrote: »

Everytime I look at these stupid cat and bear mounts and costumes it reminds me of where ESO's priorities are rather than fixing my DK and TEMP and balancing the game...

Good job ESO merry xmas!

Priority number 1 = Make Money

Thats about it tbh

Do you work for free?

Capitalism at it's finest. Isn't this what we want.....?

Yes, this is exactly what we want. It is why we live in America. You can move to Sudan if you don't enjoy the American way of life. Let me know how that works out for you...

The_Great_Maldini

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

puffy99 wrote: »

Everytime I look at these stupid cat and bear mounts and costumes it reminds me of where ESO's priorities are rather than fixing my DK and TEMP and balancing the game...

Good job ESO merry xmas!

Priority number 1 = Make Money

Thats about it tbh

Do you work for free?

Do you get paid for pretending to work?

Your comment doesn't even make sense.

CJohnson81

Fissh wrote: »

So much personal judgement. Sociopath? Really man?
Listen, I do not buy what I do not need. Micro transactions do not entice me to buy things. You have missed my.point entirely by focusing on judgement.
This business model has yet to be proven long term success. WOW anyone? Long term it was. Trials, a base game of mechanics (meta changes every big patch), etc, should be more in focus. Quick money versus money in the come back. Hold your tongue young man on judgement and understand the argument first.

Those comments weren't focused at you, but you decided to come to the rescue of someone who was clearly here just to cause a problem. The company you keep... You seem to misunderstand the point of this thread. This was a thread to be excited about the crown store items. Your friend's comments were completely unnecessary and far beyond insulting (read as: typical sociopathic behavior).

Threads exist for you to commiserate with others about the myriad ills the game suffers. So you and your buddy can go talk corporate blood-sucking greed over there and we'll stay here and talk about the silk orc pajamas, sir.

ADarklore

Iluvrien wrote: »

The poor launch and the console delays were things that were within ZOS's power to change. I am not sure by what power of which deity you think these events were imposed upon an innocent ZOS, but what I do find "silly" is the idea that there was no other path for ZOS to have taken, between closed beta and the point at which we now find ourselves, that could have prevented this mess.

Ah yes, heaven forbid things actually change during development because after all, things always go 100% as planned. Clearly you've never been involved in the manufacturing process, I am, and see this happen all the time. Tools get developed to manufacture a product, only to discover that the tool actually doesn't work as was designed... so now it's back to the drawing board. One cannot foresee the future or always see problems until you get into the process, and sometimes problems appear but most companies work to fix their problems instead of scrapping and starting over... and from what I understand, that is pretty much what they had to do with console launch, scrap and start over.

Also, if you haven't lived in the real world long, this happens ALL THE TIME, especially in the gaming world. Products are marketed and hyped, but those in the marketing departments are not always involved in the reality of the product they are marketing. Changing business models are the norm, as is starting out subscription and going F2P or B2P later, this really should not have been a surprise. Also, the reality is that ZOS may have wanted to stay subscription, but REALITY dictated otherwise. Whether it be an issue with either Playstation or Microsoft during the negotiation process, or perhaps it was the knowledge that most console gamers would never accept a forced subscription... after all, look at how many players already complain about how little is offered- imagine if they were forced to subscribe for it. Thus, the reality is, ZOS took the happy medium, they went B2P with an optional subscription.

I give ZOS the benefit of the doubt here, it isn't as if they are an established company after all, it is an entity created by Bethesda solely for ESO... so their lack of experience can be blamed for many of the missteps that have occurred. However, I do believe they are doing their best and I, personally, have been pleased with the direction the game is going. Other than the strange bugs that seem to appear after after major patch- such as being stuck and unable to attack bug that seems to have hit after the last update.