PvP Ranks Account Wide

Eirella

I wouldn't really mind account wide ranks since I play more than one character, but alliance skill lines should stay per character imo.

frozywozy

Ghostbane wrote: »

I've been saying this for years, keep the skill line per character, rank per account.

The skill points just need a UI rework of making them "Alliance Points gained milestone" per character.

I have also been praising this solution for years now. The only reason why I'm not a templar healer right now is because of this boundary. I want people to know who they are fighting and what skill level is the player in front of him, no matter if it's an alt or not. Plus, this is a great way to increase incomes from a marketing point of view. People won't be stuck anymore on a class they've been playing for over 2 years and will get to enjoy the game alot more on a new character. It will be like a new start for alot of people stuck with high alliance pvp ranks character who don't want to give up yet to reach the rank50.

Zavus

hey maybe if they make AR account wide, well get enough 50's to complain about no rewards of the worthy that the devs 'might' fix it.

roigseguib16_ESO

Zavus wrote: »

hey maybe if they make AR account wide, well get enough 50's to complain about no rewards of the worthy that the devs 'might' fix it.

Rewards of the Worthy should still apply to AR50 I think.. but that is another discussion I asume

roigseguib16_ESO

Derra wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

I've been saying this for years, keep the skill line per character, rank per account.

The skill points just need a UI rework of making them "Alliance Points gained milestone" per character.

But this is horrible. The skills are the useful part.

Rank actually shows commitment to a character. Apart from that there is no further use... I like the idea of sticking to a char and having a higher rank on that one than someone who´s just hopped every fotm train. Bleh.

I get your point, but still, is the choice of adopting the account rank or character rank is given (UI wise it can work more or less like titles) it can be pretty easy to solve. You want to progress on your character separately? Fine. You want to work on AR50, fine as well. Although again, I get your point.

roigseguib16_ESO

frozywozy wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

I've been saying this for years, keep the skill line per character, rank per account.

The skill points just need a UI rework of making them "Alliance Points gained milestone" per character.

I have also been praising this solution for years now. The only reason why I'm not a templar healer right now is because of this boundary. I want people to know who they are fighting and what skill level is the player in front of him, no matter if it's an alt or not. Plus, this is a great way to increase incomes from a marketing point of view. People won't be stuck anymore on a class they've been playing for over 2 years and will get to enjoy the game alot more on a new character. It will be like a new start for alot of people stuck with high alliance pvp ranks character who don't want to give up yet to reach the rank50.

I absolutely agree. People being happy with playing with different characters and being able to experience different types of gameplay makes them last longer. And if you just decide that you want to stick to a character, that is fine, the AP gains will be the same.

themdogesbite

Beesting wrote: »

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

I get tryharded enough for just being me, but when i logon templar which is very very rare oh my god im forever screaming team??? On TS lol.
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Team? Team?? TEAM???

I have no idea what abraxus is on about but i did notice that the few eu players that leveled their dk, temp and sorc to ava 50 now ragequitted playing it because they are sad of the nerfes to the class

It cant be for the reason they dont want to give others the " i zerged a grand overlord " achievement

They only evidence missing is that we dont have a nightblade grand overlord on eu (as far as i am aware), he would probably still play the class because this is the prefered class of choice now

As to the original topic, i guess it is fun to run around as recruit and pretend you are a total pvp noob ^^

There is a grand overlord NB on EU, Warbow, hes still rank 49 though so understandebly he will still play it.

Reasons why i dont play my rank 50 DK; There is no insentive to, i don't get rewarded for it at all and im a walking target fro litteraly everyone. If it would be like this on all my chars im not sure i would find PvP much fun since there is no sence of progression for me anymore, thats why i usualy reroll when i reach ava 24 on my new chars.

roigseguib16_ESO

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

I get tryharded enough for just being me, but when i logon templar which is very very rare oh my god im forever screaming team??? On TS lol.
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Team? Team?? TEAM???

I have no idea what abraxus is on about but i did notice that the few eu players that leveled their dk, temp and sorc to ava 50 now ragequitted playing it because they are sad of the nerfes to the class

It cant be for the reason they dont want to give others the " i zerged a grand overlord " achievement

They only evidence missing is that we dont have a nightblade grand overlord on eu (as far as i am aware), he would probably still play the class because this is the prefered class of choice now

As to the original topic, i guess it is fun to run around as recruit and pretend you are a total pvp noob ^^

There is a grand overlord NB on EU, Warbow, hes still rank 49 though so understandebly he will still play it.

Reasons why i dont play my rank 50 DK; There is no insentive to, i don't get rewarded for it at all and im a walking target fro litteraly everyone. If it would be like this on all my chars im not sure i would find PvP much fun since there is no sence of progression for me anymore, thats why i usualy reroll when i reach ava 24 on my new chars.

I respect you and all the Grand Overlords out there a lot, belive me. I personally don't give a crap about the Kill a Grand Overlord achievement, I think I have it because of you but if so, it might be pure luck, never chased you nor any other Grand Overlord for that nonsense. However, the case of someone reaching AR50 is very singular. We are talking of maybe 4 to 6 people in each server out of all the rest. And actually, very few people would reach AR50 if all the AP gained in an account was added, since most people close to it are either working hard on that one character or are not that close (From AR39 to AR50 there is 34.000.000 AP) Basically, is having two Legates. I understand the lack of motivation for you and the few Grand Overlords, the same way I understand those who push for a character progression rather than account progression Rank system, but you already finished the game, therefore the incentives to play with other characters are there, but I hardly believe that you give a damn about your Sorc being AR25 or 26, whilst someone like me with several twentysomething might prefer to be able to play them all while not losing focus on the AR50 goal.
This also affects the exclusivity of Grand Overlord, that is true, and there should be some sort of recognision to Grand Overlords who obtained their title before it happened to be Account Wide. I really think that the benefits are higher than the problems.

Hexys

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

I get tryharded enough for just being me, but when i logon templar which is very very rare oh my god im forever screaming team??? On TS lol.

Trains breaking formation just to have a pop, zerk buster.

There is a 60 man EP zerg here... I'm jumping off and suicide at resource. XD

OT:
+ for accountwide alliance rank
- for accountwide assault/support level

Corzz

I think the solution to the people wanting alliance war skills account wide is just to tone down the grind for alliance war/undaunted skill lines the alliance war ones aren't too terrible if you pvp all the time although the way the meta is almost all magic builds run proxy and you cant perform to your full extent without it.

The issue is pvp players take forever to get undaunted because we simply don't want to level it vice versa for pve players, not only have you got to grind 1-v16 collect lore books skyshards but also replaying the same boring dungeons over and over just so we can be competitive takes the fun out of re-rolling.

Still on the fence about making alliance title account bound I would like it yes but at the same time the grand overlords deserved their title by sticking with the same character for all that time and seing a level 10 grand overlord who can't play their current character at all would be stupid.

themdogesbite

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CorrieSmith wrote: »

I think the solution to the people wanting alliance war skills account wide is just to tone down the grind for alliance war/undaunted skill lines the alliance war ones aren't too terrible if you pvp all the time although the way the meta is almost all magic builds run proxy and you cant perform to your full extent without it.

The issue is pvp players take forever to get undaunted because we simply don't want to level it vice versa for pve players, not only have you got to grind 1-v16 collect lore books skyshards but also replaying the same boring dungeons over and over just so we can be competitive takes the fun out of re-rolling.

Still on the fence about making alliance title account bound I would like it yes but at the same time the grand overlords deserved their title by sticking with the same character for all that time and seing a level 10 grand overlord who can't play their current character at all would be stupid.

Well tbh some of the grand overlords still cant play their chars...

Rylana

Hm, at combined 44,500,000 (rounded to nearest 100k), my rank would be 43 account-wide

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/96794/64-680-700-alliance-points-required-to-get-to-pvp-rank-50/p1

Im cool with this. Thats what, Warlord? kek

If it was done per faction, however, id be

Rank 31 in EP with 1 toon
Rank 32 in AD with 4 toons (have a lowbie that isnt listed in my sig cause it dont fit)
Rank 24 in DC with 2 toons

And one mule thats never been to Cyro.

I cant believe I did all this math just now x.x And I cant believe my EP toon still hasnt quite surpassed my AD toons, considering I havent played AD regularly in nearly a year x.x

Dkill

I think is a great idea but really don't matter to me i play 3 toons now and i cycle each campaign i play a toon and stick to it until the end. ( No GRXknight i wont tell you the name of my new toon ). As per getting proxy at level 10 i don't care either, achieving level 7 Alliance can be done fast so does it really matter?

Corzz

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Well tbh some of the grand overlords still cant play their chars...

PewPew

Jhunn

Yes plox

Kas

the great thing about it would be that i could just officially put my templar to the grave, always play the fotm and never complain - maybe even stop reading/posting here

MLRPZ

Ayeline as Reach AvA50 on his NB on eu no ?

Dakrana_Thrazvoth

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

Ever since I started PvPing I found it hard to decide which one of my very dear characters do I want to rank in PvP, and the truth is I am stuck with my templar because is the one I decided to invest the most in increasing its PvP rank. PvP Rank is not a key feature nor gives you any real advantage past AR24, however, is a goal for a lot of people to reach Rank 50, or at least try.

What I suggest is to have an AP gain system similar to the current Champion System for which every character can benefit from certain Alliance Rank. For me is a matter of being able to play with any character and don't feel like I am wasting AP not investing it on my "main" pvp character. Through this change many people would decide that is now worthy trying out PvP and put more hours on it by playing with different classes, and therefore, enjoy the game longer.

I understand the flaws of this change: what about players with characters in more than one alliance? what about those who have already one Grand Overlord? what about Assault and Support skill-lines? I acknowledge all of those and here I list a few scenarios which I think could be feasible.

1. Sum all the AP gained by that account and make a common Alliance Rank for it. The account alliance rank can be unlocked after doing the introductory quest in Cyrodiil, for example.
2. Apply the rank of the highest alliance rank of the account to all characters.
3. Skill lines Assault and Support can be independent of the rank itself, forcing all characters to level up their Skill Lines despite them being a high PvP rank or can be account wide and be unlocked as the account alliance rank.
4. The rank reflects someone's experience in Cyrodiil and in AvA, therefore is representative of someone despite being on an alter character.
5. On a Lorefriendly note: alliance rank represents the rank of that person within the lines of the Daggerfall Covenant, Aldmeri Dominion of Ebonheart Pact, therefore an alternative character should be awarded that rank since its "owner" is the one who earned it.
6. Alliance Rank should apply ONLY to certain faction, therefore if someone has characters in different alliances, what can be done is either sum up the AP for each alliance and give that person the Alliance Rank for their (e.g,) EP characters and an other one for its AD characters OR only give that person one rank for one of the alliances, that way you prevent giving incentives to people to constantly reroll faction.

I think that Alliance Rank can be used as a motivation to people. Actually, a lot of players who have been here since BETA don't have much else to do, and this way they can continue exploring different classes and different challenges but without losing their goals. Check the effect of Champion Points in the amount of alters that players have. When the XP you earn with an alternative VR3 character applies as well to the progress of your main and the rest of characters people suddently feel much more willing to spend their time levelling them and playing the game.

What do you guys feel? Is there a way to bring this concern to Devs? @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

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I love very much your idea. I hope ZOS create something like that. I dont want to play so much on my reroll because I want to keep my alliance rank on my current character and try to unlock the next rank. That's really annoying to restart at zero each time with a new character.