PvP Ranks Account Wide

roigseguib16_ESO

Ever since I started PvPing I found it hard to decide which one of my very dear characters do I want to rank in PvP, and the truth is I am stuck with my templar because is the one I decided to invest the most in increasing its PvP rank. PvP Rank is not a key feature nor gives you any real advantage past AR24, however, is a goal for a lot of people to reach Rank 50, or at least try.

What I suggest is to have an AP gain system similar to the current Champion System for which every character can benefit from certain Alliance Rank. For me is a matter of being able to play with any character and don't feel like I am wasting AP not investing it on my "main" pvp character. Through this change many people would decide that is now worthy trying out PvP and put more hours on it by playing with different classes, and therefore, enjoy the game longer.

I understand the flaws of this change: what about players with characters in more than one alliance? what about those who have already one Grand Overlord? what about Assault and Support skill-lines? I acknowledge all of those and here I list a few scenarios which I think could be feasible.

1. Sum all the AP gained by that account and make a common Alliance Rank for it. The account alliance rank can be unlocked after doing the introductory quest in Cyrodiil, for example.
2. Apply the rank of the highest alliance rank of the account to all characters.
3. Skill lines Assault and Support can be independent of the rank itself, forcing all characters to level up their Skill Lines despite them being a high PvP rank or can be account wide and be unlocked as the account alliance rank.
4. The rank reflects someone's experience in Cyrodiil and in AvA, therefore is representative of someone despite being on an alter character.
5. On a Lorefriendly note: alliance rank represents the rank of that person within the lines of the Daggerfall Covenant, Aldmeri Dominion of Ebonheart Pact, therefore an alternative character should be awarded that rank since its "owner" is the one who earned it.
6. Alliance Rank should apply ONLY to certain faction, therefore if someone has characters in different alliances, what can be done is either sum up the AP for each alliance and give that person the Alliance Rank for their (e.g,) EP characters and an other one for its AD characters OR only give that person one rank for one of the alliances, that way you prevent giving incentives to people to constantly reroll faction.

I think that Alliance Rank can be used as a motivation to people. Actually, a lot of players who have been here since BETA don't have much else to do, and this way they can continue exploring different classes and different challenges but without losing their goals. Check the effect of Champion Points in the amount of alters that players have. When the XP you earn with an alternative VR3 character applies as well to the progress of your main and the rest of characters people suddently feel much more willing to spend their time levelling them and playing the game.

What do you guys feel? Is there a way to bring this concern to Devs? @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

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Jitterbug

I wouldn't mind a solution like this, but I won't cheer for it either. Personally, I don't feel it totally necessary.

roigseguib16_ESO

Jitterbug wrote: »

I wouldn't mind a solution like this, but I won't cheer for it either. Personally, I don't feel it totally necessary.

This is the point, is not totally necessary, which makes it more like a cosmetic feature of an achievement feature rather than a gamechanger, but it might give people an extra motivation to PvP and progress through the activities of Cyrodiil with different characters.

Turelus

I have no problem with the account wide ranks as you have already covered my main issue with this which is the skill line being accessible by new characters.

This would go a long way to showing who in VR campaigns is really and who is playing on their alt as well.

themdogesbite

Its not really difficult to get ava 24 though... Honestly id rather not give grand overlord kill achivments away no matter what character i play on.

olsborg

Alliance wide ap rank, sure. I want that.

roigseguib16_ESO

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Its not really difficult to get ava 24 though... Honestly id rather not give grand overlord kill achivments away no matter what character i play on.

I agree, then it would be useful to have the change to choose if you want or not to embrace the account rank for your character. I don´t know how it should work, but I understand that the already existing Grand Overlords would be a walking achievement which sucks. (Althout that is an additional challenge, isn´t it?)

themdogesbite

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Its not really difficult to get ava 24 though... Honestly id rather not give grand overlord kill achivments away no matter what character i play on.

I agree, then it would be useful to have the change to choose if you want or not to embrace the account rank for your character. I don´t know how it should work, but I understand that the already existing Grand Overlords would be a walking achievement which sucks. (Althout that is an additional challenge, isn´t it?)

No its mostly annoying, this would mean i'd be unable to get rewards for the worthy for pvping. And theres been to many instances where DC and EP just have magicaly stoped fighting eacother to run after me instead. its quite the sight and im sure similar things have happened to Abraxus too

roigseguib16_ESO

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Its not really difficult to get ava 24 though... Honestly id rather not give grand overlord kill achivments away no matter what character i play on.

And it's true that getting to AvA24 is not crazy long, although is not as fast for everyone as it is to an experienced PvPer that already knows how to hunt AP. The issue is not with AvA24, is with higher ranks, since they might want to keep their (e.g.) Prefect rank with all their characters, and not going back to Recruit with their (e.g).

roigseguib16_ESO

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Its not really difficult to get ava 24 though... Honestly id rather not give grand overlord kill achivments away no matter what character i play on.

I agree, then it would be useful to have the change to choose if you want or not to embrace the account rank for your character. I don´t know how it should work, but I understand that the already existing Grand Overlords would be a walking achievement which sucks. (Althout that is an additional challenge, isn´t it?)

No its mostly annoying, this would mean i'd be unable to get rewards for the worthy for pvping. And theres been to many instances where DC and EP just have magicaly stoped fighting eacother to run after me instead. its quite the sight and im sure similar things have happened to Abraxus too

It happens to abraxus with any character, really, might not have anything to do with Achievement :O :O. Anyway, they should also give Rewards of the Worthy to Grand Overlords and the chance to not show your rank should exist as well.

GRxKnight

It's fine as long as the skill line is earned by leveling ap on that toon....we don't need level 10's with access to proxy det, barrier, etc (granted i don't play bwb but i can only assume that would be terrible)

Turtl3Lov3

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

Ever since I started PvPing I found it hard to decide which one of my very dear characters do I want to rank in PvP, and the truth is I am stuck with my templar because is the one I decided to invest the most in increasing its PvP rank. PvP Rank is not a key feature nor gives you any real advantage past AR24, however, is a goal for a lot of people to reach Rank 50, or at least try.

What I suggest is to have an AP gain system similar to the current Champion System for which every character can benefit from certain Alliance Rank. For me is a matter of being able to play with any character and don't feel like I am wasting AP not investing it on my "main" pvp character. Through this change many people would decide that is now worthy trying out PvP and put more hours on it by playing with different classes, and therefore, enjoy the game longer.

I understand the flaws of this change: what about players with characters in more than one alliance? what about those who have already one Grand Overlord? what about Assault and Support skill-lines? I acknowledge all of those and here I list a few scenarios which I think could be feasible.

1. Sum all the AP gained by that account and make a common Alliance Rank for it. The account alliance rank can be unlocked after doing the introductory quest in Cyrodiil, for example.
2. Apply the rank of the highest alliance rank of the account to all characters.
3. Skill lines Assault and Support can be independent of the rank itself, forcing all characters to level up their Skill Lines despite them being a high PvP rank or can be account wide and be unlocked as the account alliance rank.
4. The rank reflects someone's experience in Cyrodiil and in AvA, therefore is representative of someone despite being on an alter character.
5. On a Lorefriendly note: alliance rank represents the rank of that person within the lines of the Daggerfall Covenant, Aldmeri Dominion of Ebonheart Pact, therefore an alternative character should be awarded that rank since its "owner" is the one who earned it.
6. Alliance Rank should apply ONLY to certain faction, therefore if someone has characters in different alliances, what can be done is either sum up the AP for each alliance and give that person the Alliance Rank for their (e.g,) EP characters and an other one for its AD characters OR only give that person one rank for one of the alliances, that way you prevent giving incentives to people to constantly reroll faction.

I think that Alliance Rank can be used as a motivation to people. Actually, a lot of players who have been here since BETA don't have much else to do, and this way they can continue exploring different classes and different challenges but without losing their goals. Check the effect of Champion Points in the amount of alters that players have. When the XP you earn with an alternative VR3 character applies as well to the progress of your main and the rest of characters people suddently feel much more willing to spend their time levelling them and playing the game.

What do you guys feel? Is there a way to bring this concern to Devs?

^^

One of the problems that ZOS would run into would be the skill points gained for each alliance rank gained. If AP would work like the CP system you would be able to just make up a new character, grind it to the early to mid 40's and in a day or two of grinding would already have purchased all your passives/desired morphs of abilities and have 501 CP in most cases and have mostly better stats than a V16 due to the recent Battle Level buff and just be an over powered mofo in non-vet, et cetera, et cetera.



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AbraXuSeXile

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Its not really difficult to get ava 24 though... Honestly id rather not give grand overlord kill achivments away no matter what character i play on.

I agree, then it would be useful to have the change to choose if you want or not to embrace the account rank for your character. I don´t know how it should work, but I understand that the already existing Grand Overlords would be a walking achievement which sucks. (Althout that is an additional challenge, isn´t it?)

No its mostly annoying, this would mean i'd be unable to get rewards for the worthy for pvping. And theres been to many instances where DC and EP just have magicaly stoped fighting eacother to run after me instead. its quite the sight and im sure similar things have happened to Abraxus too

I get tryharded enough for just being me, but when i logon templar which is very very rare oh my god im forever screaming team??? On TS lol.

Trains breaking formation just to have a pop, zerk buster.

Iyas

Give me acc based undaunted

themdogesbite

Iyas wrote: »

Give me acc based undaunted

this!!!!

roigseguib16_ESO

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Give me acc based undaunted

this!!!!

Leveling to Undaunted Rank 9 is actually pretty fast. NOW WHAT? huehuehue

No, I would be totally fine with that, tbh. Is *** that if you want to experience another class or play on another alliance you should deal with all the bs of Lorebooks, Achievements and ***.

roigseguib16_ESO

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

I get tryharded enough for just being me, but when i logon templar which is very very rare oh my god im forever screaming team??? On TS lol.
.

Team? Team?? TEAM???

Takllin

I'd love this idea, to be faction bound. They could tie it in that you won't get this until you hit level 50, so that BWB would not be affected. Any AP earned from 1-49 will be added on top of what you already have on your account when you hit 50.

Would love for Undaunted to be account wide, based upon faction as well. It's a huge pain leveling a new character.

Beesting

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

I get tryharded enough for just being me, but when i logon templar which is very very rare oh my god im forever screaming team??? On TS lol.
.

Team? Team?? TEAM???

I have no idea what abraxus is on about but i did notice that the few eu players that leveled their dk, temp and sorc to ava 50 now ragequitted playing it because they are sad of the nerfes to the class

It cant be for the reason they dont want to give others the " i zerged a grand overlord " achievement

They only evidence missing is that we dont have a nightblade grand overlord on eu (as far as i am aware), he would probably still play the class because this is the prefered class of choice now

As to the original topic, i guess it is fun to run around as recruit and pretend you are a total pvp noob ^^

Derra

Actually i´d be in favor of making the alliance war skillline account based. It´s not fun unlocking those on every new char.

Keep the ava rank character based.

WebBull

I would actually consider playing an alt if rank was account wide.

Nafirian

Either make it so Support/Assault is separate AP AVA Ranks And one fo these 2 things

Your highest AVA Rank is your account wide one
OR
All the AP accumulated on your account is added up to one AVA Rank ( id like this one because ive slacked on getting praetorian for the last month )

Also as Iyas said account wide undaunted because i cant be bothered getting it on the 5 chars that haven't gotten it ;_; and undaunted is such a drag to get.

bikerangelo

Eh, I'm still concerned with the skillpoint issue and rank issue. Make AP shared account wide and leave everything else the way it is, it doesn't take too long to unlock the Alliance skills, or any longer than the other class skills or weapon skills. I think the incentive for account shared AP would be enough, it'd be weird seeing a level 10 Grand Overlord running around in BWB, due to achievements being based off of killing them. Also, I need those skillpoints from Alliance ranks, and it'd be horribly imbalanced to just get 20 to 50 of them immediately when starting a new character or entering Cyrodiil for the first time.

Takllin

bikerangelo wrote: »

Eh, I'm still concerned with the skillpoint issue and rank issue. Make AP shared account wide and leave everything else the way it is, it doesn't take too long to unlock the Alliance skills, or any longer than the other class skills or weapon skills. I think the incentive for account shared AP would be enough, it'd be weird seeing a level 10 Grand Overlord running around in BWB, due to achievements being based off of killing them. Also, I need those skillpoints from Alliance ranks, and it'd be horribly imbalanced to just get 20 to 50 of them immediately when starting a new character or entering Cyrodiil for the first time.

So implement it in a method like I suggested, hold it off until they reach level 50 so it won't kill BWB campaigns.

Ideally I'd love to have all of the AP added together, but I could settle for the top rank I have as well.

timidobserver

This would help faction balance. I could see myself creating alts for low pop factions if I could have my alliance war rank and alliance war skills.

Ghostbane

I've been saying this for years, keep the skill line per character, rank per account.

The skill points just need a UI rework of making them "Alliance Points gained milestone" per character.

Takllin

Ghostbane wrote: »

I've been saying this for years, keep the skill line per character, rank per account.

The skill points just need a UI rework of making them "Alliance Points gained milestone" per character.

If they keep the skill line per character, I'd also say they need to look at increasing the XP necessary for leveling some of them, like Vigor and Proxy Det. It's a minuscule amount of XP necessary to get them morphed.

Also, just to tag them. @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Ghostbane

Takllin wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

I've been saying this for years, keep the skill line per character, rank per account.

The skill points just need a UI rework of making them "Alliance Points gained milestone" per character.

If they keep the skill line per character, I'd also say they need to look at increasing the XP necessary for leveling some of them, like Vigor and Proxy Det. It's a minuscule amount of XP necessary to get them morphed.

I agree there, there are secondary class skills that take more effort to morph than those.

eliisra

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Give me acc based undaunted

this!!!!

Leveling to Undaunted Rank 9 is actually pretty fast. NOW WHAT? huehuehue

No, I would be totally fine with that, tbh. Is *** that if you want to experience another class or play on another alliance you should deal with all the bs of Lorebooks, Achievements and ***.

Not if suck or plays the way she/he wants to, no PvE friends or guild. Amount of people that cant get into basic dungeon groups or get daily pledges done, is pretty astonishing. Guessing even more alarming in console.

While any pleb can level war ranks, just run with the pug zerg, spam Mutagen or Bombard brain afk and it goes up.

But I'm totally fine with everything account based to, making new chars is such a bore with all the crap you have to level and max out all over again. Getting to VR16 is the easy part.

Islyn

Ranks account wide without the skills is stupid because it implies that one has those skills when they don't.

Please stop making up new annoying pointless stuff.

Derra

Ghostbane wrote: »

I've been saying this for years, keep the skill line per character, rank per account.

The skill points just need a UI rework of making them "Alliance Points gained milestone" per character.

But this is horrible. The skills are the useful part.

Rank actually shows commitment to a character. Apart from that there is no further use... I like the idea of sticking to a char and having a higher rank on that one than someone who´s just hopped every fotm train. Bleh.