Elder scrolls online Nightblades unlimited

TheShadowScout

Valrien wrote: »

How do Nightblades not have self-heals?

Vigor aside (which until recently was much harder to unlock), the only decent ways nightblades had to heal themselves was a lifestealing attack for a HoT.
Meaning if you were low on health, you had to enter combat again to try and gain HP, and more likely then not the return strike would hit and kill you befoer the HoT got your HP up again - in contrast, Templars and DKs that get into trouble can pop insta-selfheals in mid-combat and go from "near dead" to "near full health" in a moment, while Sorcs shield, and shield, and shield...
This limited a nightblades staying abilidy severely, which in turn balanced their sneak attack burst damage... but was a noticable drawback in endurance fights...

Artheiron

Remove healing in cyrodiil and stealth and damage shields and skills and sprint and once people die, make it permanent. Thanks.

Luigi_Vampa

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

How do Nightblades not have self-heals?

Vigor aside (which until recently was much harder to unlock), the only decent ways nightblades had to heal themselves was a lifestealing attack for a HoT.
Meaning if you were low on health, you had to enter combat again to try and gain HP, and more likely then not the return strike would hit and kill you befoer the HoT got your HP up again - in contrast, Templars and DKs that get into trouble can pop insta-selfheals in mid-combat and go from "near dead" to "near full health" in a moment, while Sorcs shield, and shield, and shield...
This limited a nightblades staying abilidy severely, which in turn balanced their sneak attack burst damage... but was a noticable drawback in endurance fights...

What heal does the DK have? Dragon Blood? That one that heals 15% of my max health and barely brings up my health at all?

I_killed_Vivec

Typhoios wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

How do Nightblades not have self-heals?

Vigor aside (which until recently was much harder to unlock), the only decent ways nightblades had to heal themselves was a lifestealing attack for a HoT.
Meaning if you were low on health, you had to enter combat again to try and gain HP, and more likely then not the return strike would hit and kill you befoer the HoT got your HP up again - in contrast, Templars and DKs that get into trouble can pop insta-selfheals in mid-combat and go from "near dead" to "near full health" in a moment, while Sorcs shield, and shield, and shield...
This limited a nightblades staying abilidy severely, which in turn balanced their sneak attack burst damage... but was a noticable drawback in endurance fights...

What heal does the DK have? Dragon Blood? That one that heals 15% of my max health and barely brings up my health at all?

Apparently you missed " go from "near dead" to "near full health" in a moment" !

As DKs can't run and can't hide you'd like that to be true. It's a sad fact that Dragon Blood does not give it

Moonshadow66

I never understood why many (if not most?) players claim NBs are "OP". I have 2 NBs myself, but they are NOT my best characters, as in "kill in 2 seconds". Are they supposed to be OP with standard skills, or only if Undaunted and PvP skills are involved? Because I only use standard skills.

willymchilybily

The main issue i have with Nightblade Vs magicka DK, is not their strength, but how much easier it is to gain AP whilst soloing around because they can get in and out and kill quick.The best thing i can do as a DK is make it a PvP healer and follow zergs for AP. but i probably have to heal a full keep raid to get as much AP as i get for ganking one guy i see crossing cyrodil.

Im better on my nightblade than my DK because my NB is in medium armor and doesnt run out of resources very easily. i can take 1 or 2 people and get away unless they are good players and/or using detect pots.

As magicka DK in heavy armor even seduce + magnus i run out of magicka quickly, and have the same running out of stam issues as any magicka class especially with block cost and dodge roll penalties, coupled with no movement speed/escape skills and a nerfed class heal i'm in a real bad position outside of group play or full tank spec.

PBpsy

J2JMC wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

For example when trying to find DPS for a Vet Dungeon ppl will always go for Templars or Sorcs over NB.

NB in ESO is pretty much just a PvP class and it only really shines there when ganking unsuspecting players.

Which in turn baffles me as to why ppl want it nerfed in the only place where it shines.

LoL Really?

NBs second only to Sorcs in vMSA.
NBs perpetually second best DPS in trials.
NBs capable of soloing some vet dungeons.
NBs normal solo DSA runners.

And I actually got temps and Dks kicked out of groups just because the lead wanted my Nb to replace them quite a few times.

Don't forget to specifiy magicka when referring to these amazing pve feats, which isn't the spec people complain about.

Stam nb in pve is average. Definitely gets the job done, certainly nothing to brag about.

Good . Now all stam NBs can please can quit the game already since no one gives a snip about that kind of whining. Especially when you see things like this:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232830/vet-maelstrom-arena-stamina-nightblade-full-run-409k-uncut#latest

Let me get this straight, I call you out on trying to attribute accolades associated with the mag nb to the stam one, and you in turn show me a video of a very good player performing well on a stam nb in vMA, even though vMA was not on your list? Show me a stam nb doing the the first 3 things you listed and then we'll talk. Showing me a video of a person who has done vMA with all stamina classes only proves my statement that stam nb get the job done, but aren't anything to brag about.

To reiterate, I don't think nb's in pve are bad, seeing as I run two of them. However, the power level for stam nb's in cyrodiil is completely different than it is outside of cyrodiil. People are simply asking those of you who don't participate in pve content to be careful about how you try to address whatever "problems" you think the stam nb may have in pvp.

"Let me get this straight, I call you out on trying to attribute accolades associated with the mag nb to the stam one",
I was? Interesting It was very clear that I was speaking about what the class can do in response to a claim about what the class can do. I care so little about stam builds and stam players that I would be extatic if stam was removed and all stam players left. That would indeed help the long term health of the game.....hut oh ...well.

"you in turn show me a video of a very good player performing well on a stam nb in vMA, even though vMA was not on your list?"
It wasn't? L2Read.
oh and even though may not be possible anymore this was something one could do:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/183852/dsa-normal-is-officially-a-solo-content/p1

For the rest of that stam players from tamriel foundry still appear able to be effective.

Deandril

Instead of cool downs they can add population limits on each campaign exclusively for night blades. They will be pop locked with a 3hr wait at all times even when everyone else is at one bar.

MrGigglypants

Draxys wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

p-biggipreeb18_ESO wrote: »

As the Title says. L2p.

I go to Cyrodil with my V9 Dk and die in 2 seconds. I relog with my v8 NB and kill in 2 seconds. Fear, jump, suprise attack. This game seriously needs Cooldowns for good PvP

No cooldowns more balancing

^

Unfortunately, if history is upheld, nightblades will be nerfed too hard or something else will be buffed too much and then everyone will shelf their NBs for a while. It's the current flavor of the month because it's so strong in pvp right now.

Nah NB has a ton of secondary options for cc etc will take at least a year for that to happen and the game would die by then.