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LBxFinalDeath✭✭✭✭It does have to do with platform I'd say personally since none of that happens on the consoles.
I can say from experience that all people want when it comes to DPS is a Templar or a Sorc with NBs being the "Man everyone got all the good class users, I guess we'll take you.".
Not sure what else I can type.
As someone else said all those amazing PvE feats were done by magblades.
Stamblade gets the main story and such done easily as does every other class, its just end-game PvE content is where it struggles.
It'll get it done but with some difficulty.Edited by LBxFinalDeath on November 29, 2015 7:58PM1 -
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✭✭✭LBxFinalDeath wrote: »For example when trying to find DPS for a Vet Dungeon ppl will always go for Templars or Sorcs over NB.
NB in ESO is pretty much just a PvP class and it only really shines there when ganking unsuspecting players.
Which in turn baffles me as to why ppl want it nerfed in the only place where it shines.
LoL Really?
NBs second only to Sorcs in vMSA.
NBs perpetually second best DPS in trials.
NBs capable of soloing some vet dungeons.
NBs normal solo DSA runners.
And I actually got temps and Dks kicked out of groups just because the lead wanted my Nb to replace them quite a few times.
Don't forget to specifiy magicka when referring to these amazing pve feats, which isn't the spec people complain about.
Stam nb in pve is average. Definitely gets the job done, certainly nothing to brag about.
Good . Now all stam NBs can please can quit the game already since no one gives a snip about that kind of whining. Especially when you see things like this:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232830/vet-maelstrom-arena-stamina-nightblade-full-run-409k-uncut#latest
Edited by PBpsy on November 29, 2015 7:54PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
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Because Nightblades got tired of ganking there. Now they're all back in open world.
When I go solo around and try to get a nice fight with anyone this is what happens 90% of the time:
Ambush
Ambush
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Ambush
Ambush
Ambush
Ambush
Ambush
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Ambush
Ambush
All from different people lol
I actually get so happy whenever I see a Dk/templar ability on my death recap.2 -
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✭I can only speak for console PvP.
But, yeah, night blades, specifically stamblades, are the most popular by the looks of it. As they are the easiest and most accessible class to get to grips with. But they are certainly not the strongest. They are 99% physical damage, and they rely massively on getting the initiation. A solo nightblade is only a problem if players don't know how to react while on their own.
Detect pots, piercing mark, caltrops any feckin AOE even, etc, etc. so many abilities that shut down a nightblades game and so little people using them. I run caltrops and piercing mark because it appears that nobody else in my faction knows how to play against this simple class.
I main a Stamblade and was ganking yellows all night with two other nightblades. Do you know how many times we got marked? How many times I seen caltrops that weren't my own? Detect pots?!! Not even once. No word of a lie, we must have killed 50 yellow. At one point the three of us stopped a six man siege party without a death and not a single counter on them twelve skill bars.
Playing as a NB since console launch I can honestly say I don't have any gripes about the classes strengths. IMO the only strength they have is initiation but when you use counters, they have zero strength that the others classes don't have more of.
So here comes the cliche. This is a L2P issue.PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Magicka sorc and stamina(or magicka) nbs are now at the top of the powertable, not saying they all rule, its the potential there...unbalanced compared to the other classes(builds)
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✭✭✭LBxFinalDeath wrote: »It does have to do with platform I'd say personally since none of that happens on the consoles.
I can say from experience that all people want when it comes to DPS is a Templar or a Sorc with NBs being the "Man everyone got all the good class users, I guess we'll take you.".
Not sure what else I can type.
As someone else said all those amazing PvE feats were done by magblades.
Stamblade gets the main story and such done easily as does every other class, its just end-game PvE content is where it struggles.
It'll get it done but with some difficulty.
If has anything to do with platform it has to do with both bad NB players and crappy players all around that believe and support that kind of nonsense on that platform. Not the actual platform.. As for the stam BS I have already gave proof that the class is pretty great with stam in VMSA if the player is good. For most pledges stam NB doesn't have much to do other than spam Steel tornado. I have done it, since I have both a Dumner mag and Redguard stam NB. ... so yeah..Edited by PBpsy on November 29, 2015 8:33PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So....
Is this another QQ thread about the NB doing their job and ganking ppl?"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Yeah, these days there's a lot of stam dk/sorc ganking. And a ton of werewolves
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✭✭✭✭✭My main is a nice little stamina daggerhappy stabby girl nightblade woth bowtard option for siegework and such.
And I found that in PvP, the archery is going well enough (except when DKs show up with their darn flapping wings), but when I go melee I all too often fail to assassinate much. If I manage to take them down with the first burst, yeah. Which happens maybe 20, 25% of the time. if not, I better cloak and hope I get away, because every other class will stomp me into the ground in any kind of fair fight. Some without -ever- taking damage even (permashileded sorc bast... uhm... opponents...). Magelight often prevents me from getting the surprise backstab I need to win anyhow, and if caltrops are in play, I might as well pack up and go home.
And don't get me started on PvE, my "paladin type" templar solos stuff my nightblade can only dream of from the wayshrine she respawns... public dungeons at level? "No sweat" for templar girl, "not without friends" for nightblade girl... Dolmen and non-orsinium world bosses at level? Templar been there, soloed that, nightblade needed some assistance or a lot more V ranks... bossfights often were harder on the nightblade as well, since endurance is a real problem for a stamina NB, though that may have gotten way better these days thanks to vigor.
The point I am trying to make is - nightblades are not some kind of "I win" class. In fact, I found them to be more challenging then most in PvE, while having a slight advantage in PvE against unskilled opponents... but just can't well sustain battle against anyone who actually learned to play...
If they nerf the sneak attack, they'd have to buff the other combat survivability for nightblades, or we'd be fu... uhm... failing a lot.
But generally, I can't really see any need to cry about nightblades, just slot the skills that mess up a nightblades day!2 -
Barlthump✭✭✭Just going to silently wait with my nightblade pew pewing QQ scrubs from the dark while secretly leveling my other characters to 50. Then when NB gets nerfed to the ground imma buy as many psijics and grind CP with my NB spin 2 win and wait for the removal of VR ranks. THEN IT IS ON! FOTM CLASSES. Sorcs OP? NO PROBLEM got "erika highborn", NB OP? NO PROBLEM got "Astanstus", DK OP? NO PROBLEM got "Sir Teabagsalot", Templar OP? No problem got "Cerothath" BANK SPACE OP? No problem got "Pack Mule 1", "Pack Mule 2" and "Pack Mule 3"
Now to just wait patiently for the removal of VR ranks. Everyone make a lvl 50 class and go spin 2 win or pulsar 2 win mobs. Get all lvl 50 classes and you can forget about all these threads.
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✭✭LBxFinalDeath wrote: »NB in ESO is pretty much just a PvP class and it only really shines there when ganking unsuspecting players.
Um. Sap essence, look it up.2013
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Sevalaricgirl✭✭✭✭✭LBxFinalDeath wrote: »@CrowsDescend In PvP yes, in PvE? HA! No. PvE is like legit balanced around every class but NB with Sorc being able to do everything easily.
NB takes the most skill for PvE content believe it or not since not one build allows a NB to do everything without difficulty.
I was just going to add this. +100 agreement. I have played all of the classes and NB in PvE is the most difficult to play. I've only respec'd five times in the last 4 days and my NB is level 41.0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭NBs have a lot of options and survivability. I'm having more fun on mine because of that.
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Can't be true for a PvE Magicka NB, best playstyle and versatility ever. Stamina NBs maybe suck for PvE because many players aren't able to avoid red circles and Boss AoEs and think spamming Flying Blade is good ranged dps...
In addition NB healers and tanks might be the most underrated class/role combination in this game. NB healers do a ton of support dps WHILE healing and NB tanks are almost autark when it comes to ressources. Having done WGT prenerf and postnerf and prison postnerf as a NB healer, what should I say...WGT finished (speedrun, no death run, out of the frying pan, entry denied), now working on prison speedruns.
Edited by Flameheart on November 30, 2015 5:43PMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
Selissi - CP 1k+ Redguard Stamina Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Silmerel - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Templar (Ebonheart Pact)
Sunja - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Suldreni - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight (Ebonheart Pact)
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✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »
Nope in 1v1 fight (with no other people jumping in) both magicka dk and stamina dk got same chance beating the nb if they are equally skilled. I see this alot in duels. Also Arena duel tournament was just a few days ago with alot of great duelers. 3 Stamdks and 1 Sorc made it to the top 4.
What DK's lack is some survivability in _SOLO_ openworld pvp and magicka dk needs some more burst.EU | PC3 -
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✭✭✭Flameheart wrote: »
Can't be true for a PvE Magicka NB, best playstyle and versatility ever. Stamina NBs maybe suck for PvE because many players aren't able to avoid red circles and Boss AoEs and think spamming Flying Blade is good ranged dps...
In addition NB healers and tanks might be the most underrated class/role combination in this game. NB healers do a ton of support dps WHILE healing and NB tanks are almost autark when it comes to ressources. Having done WGT prenerf and postnerf and prison postnerf as a NB healer, what should I say...WGT finished (speedrun, no deathrun, out of the frying pan, entry dienied), now working on prison speedruns.
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Skiserony✭✭✭LBxFinalDeath wrote: »Should be utilizing your DK abilities better.
It should take AT LEAST 2 minutes of nonstopping beating down on your DK for you to die to a single NB if you have all your tanky buffs up.
Or....are you one of those fabled DPS DKs?
Anyways Nightblades aren't nearly as good as ppl make them out to be, their biggest weakness is fights that don't end instantly with a couple big hits since most NBs even good ones go full on power and lack the ability to keep their resources up during fights.
If you as a Dragonknight live long enough for a NB to waste their resources you'll win since its not like the tank build for NBs are really all that tanky, NB will forever be one of the squishiest choices.
Throw caltrops and you've doomed a NB.
I personally run into more Sorcs trying to gank than NBs recently since the Julianos set came out.
Yeah but that's the thing, it is extremely hard to outsustain a NB. With the CP and current possibilities many NBs have both crazy dps and good sustain. If you survive the first hits, then the next ones will strike just as hard. Even then when you outsustain the NB they just cloak and dissapear. maybe leave or maybe come back and try again till you're death, while you as a DK or Templar have no way controlling the outcome because there's no way they can escape a NB it he does't let you.
The best way I learned to take down a NB is go offensive. Being just tanky isn't going to do the trick.Edited by Skiserony on November 30, 2015 12:54PM1 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭Also biggest problem with Nightblades is how easy they can escape if things go wrong.
If a smart nightblade fights a more skilled DK the nb can just escape. It's so annoying actually.0 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭LBxFinalDeath wrote: »For example when trying to find DPS for a Vet Dungeon ppl will always go for Templars or Sorcs over NB.
NB in ESO is pretty much just a PvP class and it only really shines there when ganking unsuspecting players.
Which in turn baffles me as to why ppl want it nerfed in the only place where it shines.
LoL Really?
NBs second only to Sorcs in vMSA.
NBs perpetually second best DPS in trials.
NBs capable of soloing some vet dungeons.
NBs normal solo DSA runners.
And I actually got temps and Dks kicked out of groups just because the lead wanted my Nb to replace them quite a few times.
Don't forget to specifiy magicka when referring to these amazing pve feats, which isn't the spec people complain about.
Stam nb in pve is average. Definitely gets the job done, certainly nothing to brag about.
Good . Now all stam NBs can please can quit the game already since no one gives a snip about that kind of whining. Especially when you see things like this:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232830/vet-maelstrom-arena-stamina-nightblade-full-run-409k-uncut#latest
Let me get this straight, I call you out on trying to attribute accolades associated with the mag nb to the stam one, and you in turn show me a video of a very good player performing well on a stam nb in vMA, even though vMA was not on your list? Show me a stam nb doing the the first 3 things you listed and then we'll talk. Showing me a video of a person who has done vMA with all stamina classes only proves my statement that stam nb get the job done, but aren't anything to brag about.
To reiterate, I don't think nb's in pve are bad, seeing as I run two of them. However, the power level for stam nb's in cyrodiil is completely different than it is outside of cyrodiil. People are simply asking those of you who don't participate in pve content to be careful about how you try to address whatever "problems" you think the stam nb may have in pvp.
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Battle leveling for pve content defeats the idea of progression. Remove CP
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✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »
Not if the NB is a vamp (DK gonna.firin' da... fire)Edited by Tryxus on November 30, 2015 9:35PM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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iliatha✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »Also biggest problem with Nightblades is how easy they can escape if things go wrong.
If a smart nightblade fights a more skilled DK the nb can just escape. It's so annoying actually.
perhaps the "more skilled DK" should learn how to pull ppl out of cloack :P
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✭✭✭Helgi_Skotina wrote: »NBs are very vulnerable without selfheal. Just use caltrops. Only OP class is a magicka sorc - in good hands he is not killable, using shields and daedric minefield.
How do Nightblades not have self-heals?Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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MrGrimey✭✭✭✭✭Lol @ cooldowns... That's the whole fast paced action mmo style of ESO
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