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ZOS, please STOP listening to the PVP community!
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It is pretty obvious they have NO IDEA what they are talking about and just run their mouths off at every frustration without thinking about the negative affect what they are calling for will have on the game.
Case in point: All the mindless QQ about "remove the forward camps, forward camps are bad mkay?" Now what do we have? PVP that is literally like having your eyes gouged out with plastic geriatric utensils.
Die to lag, zerg, bugs, or random ganks? Spend 10 minutes running over the 1-sided map getting back just to get ganked again along the way. I have literally not set foot in Cyrodiil since days after this HORRIFIC change was implemented. Most of my PVP guilds quit the game and never came back.
ZOS has this weird thing about sticking to their guns for all the wrong reasons, and listening to the community for all the wrong reasons.
I really wish they would stop chasing the whine of the moment and just leave stuff that isn't broken alone, because now PVP is totally unplayable for me. I would like Caltrops or Magicka Detonation (which are OP and NEEDED for PVE and locked behind a stupid badly designed PVP wall) but I can't put myself through the utter waste of time that is Cyrodiil in it's present state.
Maybe that's their solution to lag? Less people? I guarantee your development budget won't be positively impacted by that mentality.
Or perhaps to sell more IC DLC?
I literally cannot think of a rational explanation why this was adopted but it has killed the PVP game for me and many others.
I don't pay you for "ganking horse sim."
Case in point: All the mindless QQ about "remove the forward camps, forward camps are bad mkay?" Now what do we have? PVP that is literally like having your eyes gouged out with plastic geriatric utensils.
Die to lag, zerg, bugs, or random ganks? Spend 10 minutes running over the 1-sided map getting back just to get ganked again along the way. I have literally not set foot in Cyrodiil since days after this HORRIFIC change was implemented. Most of my PVP guilds quit the game and never came back.
ZOS has this weird thing about sticking to their guns for all the wrong reasons, and listening to the community for all the wrong reasons.
I really wish they would stop chasing the whine of the moment and just leave stuff that isn't broken alone, because now PVP is totally unplayable for me. I would like Caltrops or Magicka Detonation (which are OP and NEEDED for PVE and locked behind a stupid badly designed PVP wall) but I can't put myself through the utter waste of time that is Cyrodiil in it's present state.
Maybe that's their solution to lag? Less people? I guarantee your development budget won't be positively impacted by that mentality.
Or perhaps to sell more IC DLC?
I literally cannot think of a rational explanation why this was adopted but it has killed the PVP game for me and many others.
I don't pay you for "ganking horse sim."
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✭✭✭Wait wait wait wait wait... Caltrops needed for PvE?! STOP THE PRESSES!!!
Edited by UltimaJoe777 on November 26, 2015 5:55PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I wouldn't blame the community for forward camps. Forward camps were a problem and were not functioning as intended. The proper solution would have been to fix them, but ZOS opted for the easy solution of just removing them.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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arcantonias✭✭✭thank you for all the constructive input, your ideas to improve the game are very on point /sarcasmEdited by arcantonias on November 26, 2015 5:55PM9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You don't want them to listen to the PVPers who actually stick around whining even through the hard times, but expect them to listen to a child who gave up? Riiiight.
Enjoy your PVE without caltrops and mag det, if that's even possible (lol).22 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You don't want them to listen to the PVPers who actually stick around whining even through the hard times, but expect them to listen to a child who gave up? Riiiight.
Enjoy your PVE without caltrops and mag det, if that's even possible (lol).
Classic denial: Troll people being honest about a problem.
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✭✭✭✭✭Forward Camps were bad for the game.
They completely killed any action between the laneshttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Forward Camps were bad for the game.
They completely killed any action between the lanes
I would prefer to spend my time on action, not on running "the lanes."
They could have put limits on the use of camps, like no using them to turtle inside keeps with broken lines, but NO. They opted to force people to spend 80% of their time running oon their horse.
You know, for all the "action."2 -
RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everyone mmoer knows the loudest and whiniest gets listen to, sadly its true in most mmos.
Don't expect that to change.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭this isn't *** planetside. forward camps were stupid.
Either badly designed forward camps or none at all, right? Read my above post. Plenty of others have suggested similar fixes.
I much prefer improved forward camps to "horse simulator 9000."
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✭✭✭Everyone mmoer knows the loudest and whiniest gets listen to, sadly its true in most mmos.
Don't expect that to change.
(insert excessively loud battle cry here)Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Your obvious attempt at emotional inception has no power here!You don't want them to listen to the PVPers who actually stick around whining even through the hard times, but expect them to listen to a child who gave up? Riiiight.
Enjoy your PVE without caltrops and mag det, if that's even possible (lol).
Did someone say INCEPTION ?!
http://inception.davepedu.com/
Edited by Ara_Valleria on November 26, 2015 6:11PM°‡° ÁDAMANT °‡°
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ara_Valleria wrote: »
JESUS LOUISE I WAS NOT EXPECTING THAT.
brb while I pry myself from the ceiling.3 -
Digerati✭✭✭✭I don't agree with ANY forward camps. keeps are like 2 minutes away from each other. Horse Simulator is a feature, it's your respawn timer and it serves a valid purpose.2 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't agree with ANY forward camps. keeps are like 2 minutes away from each other. Horse Simulator is a feature, it's your respawn timer and it serves a valid purpose.
LOL 2 minutes apart? Yeah dude, I think you have WAY too much faith in the Millennium Falcon.
Sure Endor is "just around the corner." IF the hyper drive actually works.
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Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is pretty obvious they have NO IDEA what they are talking about and just run their mouths off at every frustration without thinking about the negative affect what they are calling for will have on the game.
Case in point: All the mindless QQ about "remove the forward camps, forward camps are bad mkay?" Now what do we have? PVP that is literally like having your eyes gouged out with plastic geriatric utensils.
Die to lag, zerg, bugs, or random ganks? Spend 10 minutes running over the 1-sided map getting back just to get ganked again along the way. I have literally not set foot in Cyrodiil since days after this HORRIFIC change was implemented. Most of my PVP guilds quit the game and never came back.
Opinion duly noted, untl the bolded part. You have not been in Cyrodiil for a year.. you have no asdf IDEA what the ASDF you are talking about.Edited by Darlgon on November 26, 2015 6:24PMPower level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
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✭Ye, they should stop listening to the PVP playerbase who actually does PVP. Like with the AOE caps. Oh waitGave up.3 -
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✭Ara_Valleria wrote: »
Your obvious attempt at emotional inception has no power here!You don't want them to listen to the PVPers who actually stick around whining even through the hard times, but expect them to listen to a child who gave up? Riiiight.
Enjoy your PVE without caltrops and mag det, if that's even possible (lol).
Did someone say INCEPTION ?!
http://inception.davepedu.com/
Awesome...
MORE AWESOME.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.2 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is pretty obvious they have NO IDEA what they are talking about and just run their mouths off at every frustration without thinking about the negative affect what they are calling for will have on the game.
Case in point: All the mindless QQ about "remove the forward camps, forward camps are bad mkay?" Now what do we have? PVP that is literally like having your eyes gouged out with plastic geriatric utensils.
Die to lag, zerg, bugs, or random ganks? Spend 10 minutes running over the 1-sided map getting back just to get ganked again along the way. I have literally not set foot in Cyrodiil since days after this HORRIFIC change was implemented. Most of my PVP guilds quit the game and never came back.
Opinion duly noted, untl the bolded part. You have not been in Cyrodiil for a year.. you have no asdf IDEA what the ASDF you are talking about.
I read patch notes. Nothing of consequence has changed in that time.0 -
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✭Can I ask, being that I am a console noob, what were 'forward camps' and what were their intended function??PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.0 -
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✭✭✭It is pretty obvious they have NO IDEA what they are talking about and just run their mouths off at every frustration without thinking about the negative affect what they are calling for will have on the game.
Case in point: All the mindless QQ about "remove the forward camps, forward camps are bad mkay?" Now what do we have? PVP that is literally like having your eyes gouged out with plastic geriatric utensils.
Die to lag, zerg, bugs, or random ganks? Spend 10 minutes running over the 1-sided map getting back just to get ganked again along the way. I have literally not set foot in Cyrodiil since days after this HORRIFIC change was implemented. Most of my PVP guilds quit the game and never came back.
Opinion duly noted, untl the bolded part. You have not been in Cyrodiil for a year.. you have no asdf IDEA what the ASDF you are talking about.
I read patch notes. Nothing of consequence has changed in that time.
Patch notes don't cover every little change though. That is what is known as ninja patching.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »It is pretty obvious they have NO IDEA what they are talking about and just run their mouths off at every frustration without thinking about the negative affect what they are calling for will have on the game.
Case in point: All the mindless QQ about "remove the forward camps, forward camps are bad mkay?" Now what do we have? PVP that is literally like having your eyes gouged out with plastic geriatric utensils.
Die to lag, zerg, bugs, or random ganks? Spend 10 minutes running over the 1-sided map getting back just to get ganked again along the way. I have literally not set foot in Cyrodiil since days after this HORRIFIC change was implemented. Most of my PVP guilds quit the game and never came back.
Opinion duly noted, untl the bolded part. You have not been in Cyrodiil for a year.. you have no asdf IDEA what the ASDF you are talking about.
I read patch notes. Nothing of consequence has changed in that time.
Patch notes don't cover every little change though. That is what is known as ninja patching.
Oh, so they "ninja patched" horse-sim 9000 then?
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »It is pretty obvious they have NO IDEA what they are talking about and just run their mouths off at every frustration without thinking about the negative affect what they are calling for will have on the game.
Case in point: All the mindless QQ about "remove the forward camps, forward camps are bad mkay?" Now what do we have? PVP that is literally like having your eyes gouged out with plastic geriatric utensils.
Die to lag, zerg, bugs, or random ganks? Spend 10 minutes running over the 1-sided map getting back just to get ganked again along the way. I have literally not set foot in Cyrodiil since days after this HORRIFIC change was implemented. Most of my PVP guilds quit the game and never came back.
Opinion duly noted, untl the bolded part. You have not been in Cyrodiil for a year.. you have no asdf IDEA what the ASDF you are talking about.
I read patch notes. Nothing of consequence has changed in that time.
Patch notes don't cover every little change though. That is what is known as ninja patching.
Oh, so they "ninja patched" horse-sim 9000 then?
Thank the divines!
Hey I don't claim to know what they ninja patch lol I and everyone else just know they do do ninja patches
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✭✭NeillMcAttack wrote: »Can I ask, being that I am a console noob, what were 'forward camps' and what were their intended function??
Forward Camps were purchasable from seige merchants and allowed 20 alliance members to respawn where they were placed.
Brian Wheeler keeps saying they will come back "fixed" some day.Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Wait wait wait wait wait... Caltrops needed for PvE?! STOP THE PRESSES!!!
You're not even VR16 yet, are you?
Do you have any idea just how much DPS Caltrops puts out? How about the sort of sustain it offers a NB with Siphoning Strikes?
Good luck btw getting through VMSA without it. Seriously there is a reason why every serious stamina dps unlocks it...2 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Wait wait wait wait wait... Caltrops needed for PvE?! STOP THE PRESSES!!!
You're not even VR16 yet, are you?
Do you have any idea just how much DPS Caltrops puts out? How about the sort of sustain it offers a NB with Siphoning Strikes?
Good luck btw getting through VMSA without it. Seriously there is a reason why every serious stamina dps unlocks it...
If you say so lol but if Caltrops is procing Siphoning Strikes then that honestly sounds like an exploit there. Last time I checked Siphoning Strikes is only supposed to proc off basic attacks.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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