Templar Enigma

Cinbri · November 2015

Templar in light armor in duel=viable
Templar in light armor in Cyrodiil=free AP.
I thought it is well-known fact of templar daily life. There is no way for LA templar to survive 6 enemies on him, and thats how Cyro looks nowdays.
And despite i on @DanielWinterborn side, i wanna see capability of your setup in duel, just /w me.

Islyn · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

I get that you get some more damage on light but not much, considering my item build i probably could squeeze a 5-10% dps increase in light but die way to fast and its not worth it. Also 10% dps increase is not THAT great, still can't kill a rodent.

Ohhh oh might i also mention that Dark Flare that thing you cast for 1.1 seconds can be dodged 100% if your timing is right so templar vs stam build using that skill = 0 dps

your issues are going to be resolved if you gear right, you can't kill anything cause you're hitting less to nothing in heavy armor. It's not an issue of squeezing 5-10% dps increase it's more about a 60% increase using the proper sets and the proper gear.

Of course heavy sucks for dps builds. But light armor dps templar just melts in PvP. Unlike light NB or sorc, you have no way of kiting or avoiding dmg. Unlike sorc you have no big shield.

You also have no defences against over tuned stamina dmg, besides healing. You cant use the class shield effectively any more, after the blanket nerf. You can use the charge ability to move around, because bugged.

So I get why people in pure panic go heavy. Yet it doesn't mitigate as much as you think, while you loose loads of dmg.

There's just not that many choices as far as build goes in PvP. Always play in groups, so you can get mobility or cross heals from others(while being called zergling), is the solution for both light and stamina templar. You can also go kill PvE'ers, casuals and low levels in IC or around quest hubs like 1vX players, than pretend you're super strong and all is fine

I think it's just a matter of being able to DPS your target down faster than they can hit you, Templars can do it pretty well but again it requires you to spec into being able to do that. Being in Heavy Armor not hitting as much as you'd like to you'll probably run out of resources in the end.

Note: Testing trolls does not work as their Physical and Spell Resistance differs far too much to make that judgement, but then again if you are making this judgement based on PvE take note that all of Templar abilities are Magic Damage and you don't get a benefit from a destruction staff at all. You gain a lot more with Dual Swords and to never DPS in heavy armor for PvE, ever.

but but but Nifty....didn't some guy just say you never played a Templar?

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you don't like the answers you are getting, why ask the question.

You got Rekt. People are trying to tell you why you got Rekt. You have Zero sustain with that setup. You are arguing with them that they are wrong. Fine. Don't listen to us. We are wrong. Keep getting Rekt.

How can i get Rekt with zero sustain when i just mentioned i have no problem with mana management?

I don't like the answer because it is wrong captain obvious. You can spam the word Rekt all you like but you just troll this post with no real argument at all, if you have something smart to say say it and prove it not just blab about nothing. Thanks.

Lol. This makes me want to be really helpful.

BRogueNZ · November 2015

Still get Rekt with heavy which says more about balance issues.
There are a few NB's that can shred 18-20k PR and 28k HP in a second, and I'm not exaggerating.

Death happens pretty quick no matter what you wear it seems and while you can invest CP's to make up for LA would otherwise give you, you will preform better in light with CP's elsewhere.

oh and the 40+ tempers @ 8-9k each if you want to go gold.. yeah.. wtf

laksikus · November 2015

i wonder how hard my magicka nb would hit in heavy armor. or any sorc on that matter.

a heavy shieldstack sorc with 40k health

Joy_Division · November 2015

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you don't like the answers you are getting, why ask the question.

You got Rekt. People are trying to tell you why you got Rekt. You have Zero sustain with that setup. You are arguing with them that they are wrong. Fine. Don't listen to us. We are wrong. Keep getting Rekt.

How can i get Rekt with zero sustain when i just mentioned i have no problem with mana management?

I don't like the answer because it is wrong captain obvious. You can spam the word Rekt all you like but you just troll this post with no real argument at all, if you have something smart to say say it and prove it not just blab about nothing. Thanks.

You can call me Captain Obvious, but you sound like Private Oblivious.

You are the one that said your templar gets murdered by everything. I and Nifty and others play a templar and we do not get Rekt. It's not the class that is busted, it's either your build or the way you play a templar.

As good players, do you not find yourself stalemate with other players you know for a fact you have rekt before on your NB or Sorc?

Honest question, don't mind just no as an answer.

No. The only spec I feel disadvantaged with is a magicka DK. When I play a templar, the only time I feel I feel my best chance is a stalemate is against a player I know who is amongst the top 5% and if that player happens to play a high weapon damage DK or NB. It is in that scenario where I curse the ZoS developers for turning the templar shield into a waste of mana because I have no way to mitigate their damage aside from healing myself. Also shield stacking sorcerers are a pain, but they are for every class. In every other situation, I expect to win. Of course, I don;t always do that, but sometimes you got to tip your cap to your opponent or recognize that you made a mistake.

Your sig says that you are a "healer," and if that is true and you dedicate yourself to that spec, then you probably are going to be in trouble in just about any 1v1 scenario Vs. a halfway decent player. Running a support build intended for group play is really hard to beat another equally skilled player 1v1 who is specced for 1v1. I used to be a "healer' and then I got tired of dying whenever someone came after me so now I'm just a templar with breath of life.

I am of the belief that templars should prioritize sustain over DPS because they don't have instant burst DPS, good opponents will not allow you to burst them down and that means a drawn out fight. The OP is trying to combine things that are not really suited for magicka templar play: max spell power (we can't burst) max protection (this gives us something we don't really need since we can heal ourselves) and in the process deprives him/her of crit and spell penetration, which are essential to any magicka class, and the sustain templars need to win drawn out fights. I'm not saying spellpower and protection aren't important. I am saying each class has certain strengths and weaknesses that might require additional resources beyond the obvious (spellpower: offense, protection: defense).

zornyan · November 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

Templar in light armor in duel=viable
Templar in light armor in Cyrodiil=free AP.
I thought it is well-known fact of templar daily life. There is no way for LA templar to survive 6 enemies on him, and thats how Cyro looks nowdays.
And despite i on @DanielWinterborn side, i wanna see capability of your setup in duel, just /w me.

No one not a single person can survive against 6 good players.

Against 6 poor players? I can do that easy, and have before.

I've seen an emperor take on a zerg of 20 and demolish them, but me and 2 friends killed that same player, why? Because the zerg had poor players in it. The emperor wasn't even hugely skilled, he mostly just spammed steel tornado and vigor, but no one bothered to try and CC and root him.

1v1 some classes are better than others, but 2v1 of 3 equally skilled players then numbers will win.

Light armor doesn't leave you defence less, I have 16k armor buffed up, in full heavy I would have 20k unbuffed. So tell me why 4k is going to be so much better?

zornyan · November 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you don't like the answers you are getting, why ask the question.

You got Rekt. People are trying to tell you why you got Rekt. You have Zero sustain with that setup. You are arguing with them that they are wrong. Fine. Don't listen to us. We are wrong. Keep getting Rekt.

How can i get Rekt with zero sustain when i just mentioned i have no problem with mana management?

I don't like the answer because it is wrong captain obvious. You can spam the word Rekt all you like but you just troll this post with no real argument at all, if you have something smart to say say it and prove it not just blab about nothing. Thanks.

You can call me Captain Obvious, but you sound like Private Oblivious.

You are the one that said your templar gets murdered by everything. I and Nifty and others play a templar and we do not get Rekt. It's not the class that is busted, it's either your build or the way you play a templar.

As good players, do you not find yourself stalemate with other players you know for a fact you have rekt before on your NB or Sorc?

Honest question, don't mind just no as an answer.

No. The only spec I feel disadvantaged with is a magicka DK. When I play a templar, the only time I feel I feel my best chance is a stalemate is against a player I know who is amongst the top 5% and if that player happens to play a high weapon damage DK or NB. It is in that scenario where I curse the ZoS developers for turning the templar shield into a waste of mana because I have no way to mitigate their damage aside from healing myself. Also shield stacking sorcerers are a pain, but they are for every class. In every other situation, I expect to win. Of course, I don;t always do that, but sometimes you got to tip your cap to your opponent or recognize that you made a mistake.

Your sig says that you are a "healer," and if that is true and you dedicate yourself to that spec, then you probably are going to be in trouble in just about any 1v1 scenario Vs. a halfway decent player. Running a support build intended for group play is really hard to beat another equally skilled player 1v1 who is specced for 1v1. I used to be a "healer' and then I got tired of dying whenever someone came after me so now I'm just a templar with breath of life.

I am of the belief that templars should prioritize sustain over DPS because they don't have instant burst DPS, good opponents will not allow you to burst them down and that means a drawn out fight. The OP is trying to combine things that are not really suited for magicka templar play: max spell power (we can't burst) max protection (this gives us something we don't really need since we can heal ourselves) and in the process deprives him/her of crit and spell penetration, which are essential to any magicka class, and the sustain templars need to win drawn out fights. I'm not saying spellpower and protection aren't important. I am saying each class has certain strengths and weaknesses that might require additional resources beyond the obvious (spellpower: offense, protection: defense).

We don't have burst but we can hit very hard when we'll timed.

I use

Dark flare (14k crit pvp)
Toppling charge (4k hit average)
Sweeps ( 9-10k average hit)

The flare lands just as charge knocks them down, then a sweeps leaves most players dead.

I should be hitting harder with my new breton templar, full dps spell, with about 6k more magicka than my current build and another 18% penetration built in

DanielWinterborn · November 2015

You are all missing the point, all the classes except templar have that 1 skill, that 1 combo that works in most of the cases. As for templar? Nothing, i can't tank nothing, i can't DPS, i can manage resources?

)))) for freaking what? so i die harder? what am i cannon fodder? Really! i met with someone today to test some templar builds, templar vs templar he using light armors + max CP 500 and me using my heavy with 280 CP and he himself admit i was a solid Cyro build, yet i am NUKED by pretty much everything! I thought class skills would be powerfull than weapon skills yet i get 7-8k wrecking blow hits in 27k defence what in the name of God is wrong with these people?

I played Lineage 2 for ever, since the game was released and i was noticing the lack of balance there. Here i decided to change my mind and call lineage a very well balanced game.Say goodbye to member hello lineage

zornyan · November 2015

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

You are all missing the point, all the classes except templar have that 1 skill, that 1 combo that works in most of the cases. As for templar? Nothing, i can't tank nothing, i can't DPS, i can manage resources? )))) for freaking what? so i die harder? what am i cannon fodder? Really! i met with someone today to test some templar builds, templar vs templar he using light armors + max CP 500 and me using my heavy with 280 CP and he himself admit i was a solid Cyro build, yet i am NUKED by pretty much everything! I thought class skills would be powerfull than weapon skills yet i get 7-8k wrecking blow hits in 27k defence what in the name of God is wrong with these people?

I played Lineage 2 for ever, since the game was released and i was noticing the lack of balance there. Here i decided to change my mind and call lineage a very well balanced game.Say goodbye to member hello lineage

People still play lineage? Last I heard it's just full of bots now and there's nothing to really do anymore ...

You can't dps because your in light armor!

Also you lack skill, just admit it and move on

DanielWinterborn · November 2015

I am using heavy armor and i bet i can out DPS you.

zornyan · November 2015

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

I am using heavy armor and i bet i can out DPS you.

What you can beat 25k+ dps?

This is utterly stupid, your resources will run out far faster than mine, and every single one of my attacks will do more base damage, as well as having more critical hit chance.

DanielWinterborn · November 2015

I am AD templar on EU servers, you can whisper in game @zardaxian perhaps we can meet.

zornyan · November 2015

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

I am AD templar on EU servers, you can whisper in game @zardaxian perhaps we can meet.

THAT explains it, AD=zerger=no skill at all.

You come on here complaining you're getting owned, people try to give advise to help you and tell you to practise, you refuse to listen and tell us you know best.

Here's some breaking news, YOU'RE the one getting owned asking for help, not us.

DanielWinterborn · November 2015

zornyan wrote: »

THAT explains it, AD=zerger=no skill at all.

You come on here complaining you're getting owned, people try to give advise to help you and tell you to practise, you refuse to listen and tell us you know best.

Here's some breaking news, YOU'RE the one getting owned asking for help, not us.

Wow, so no meet? Shows how much you believe in your skills

I am not asking for help, i am asking for the nerf to stop. Get your facts straight troll.

zornyan · November 2015

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

THAT explains it, AD=zerger=no skill at all.

You come on here complaining you're getting owned, people try to give advise to help you and tell you to practise, you refuse to listen and tell us you know best.

Here's some breaking news, YOU'RE the one getting owned asking for help, not us.

Wow, so no meet? Shows how much you believe in your skills

I am not asking for help, i am asking for the nerf to stop. Get your facts straight troll.

Your crying like a 5 year old saying you die instantly, that's a YOU problem, not the class.

laksikus · November 2015

ând you basically called nifty a noob^^

last guy that did that was never heard of again.
you are the troll here. and i bet even my lvl 21 temp can kill you xD

zornyan · November 2015

laksikus wrote: »

ând you basically called nifty a noob^^

last guy that did that was never heard of again.
you are the troll here. and i bet even my lvl 21 temp can kill you xD

But nifty has never played a templar

DanielWinterborn · November 2015

Sorry bro but if there is a pro in such things around here they should at least prove me wrong, thats what a normal brain people debate should be like. But if you go around and say light armor ten times that don't make you a pro. I am willing to meet with people and prove me wrong, simple as that, less bla bla more pew pew pros. They say i don't listen to their advice but they fail to make a point, how can i take serious such a person, i gave my stats, i am willing to meet in cyro, i will admit i failed if i am proven wrong. Talking smack only gets stupid people happy, proving it makes everyone happy.

zornyan · November 2015

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Sorry bro but if there is a pro in such things around here they should at least prove me wrong, thats what a normal brain people debate should be like. But if you go around and say light armor ten times that don't make you a pro. I am willing to meet with people and prove me wrong, simple as that, less bla bla more pew pew pros. They say i don't listen to their advice but they fail to make a point, how can i take serious such a person, i gave my stats, i am willing to meet in cyro, i will admit i failed if i am proven wrong. Talking smack only gets stupid people happy, proving it makes everyone happy.

Okay now I'm certain you're just trolling .

You don't want to listen to advise, you don't want to try and review your build, you believe you are the best and that it's zos fault.

Go watch sypher videos of him 1vx and tell him it's broken and it can't be your fault.

DanielWinterborn · November 2015

zornyan wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Sorry bro but if there is a pro in such things around here they should at least prove me wrong, thats what a normal brain people debate should be like. But if you go around and say light armor ten times that don't make you a pro. I am willing to meet with people and prove me wrong, simple as that, less bla bla more pew pew pros. They say i don't listen to their advice but they fail to make a point, how can i take serious such a person, i gave my stats, i am willing to meet in cyro, i will admit i failed if i am proven wrong. Talking smack only gets stupid people happy, proving it makes everyone happy.

Okay now I'm certain you're just trolling .

You don't want to listen to advise, you don't want to try and review your build, you believe you are the best and that it's zos fault.

Go watch sypher videos of him 1vx and tell him it's broken and it can't be your fault.

No wonder you can't explain yourself if you copy someone else. I don't want to see PTS video randoms ok? 1 guy on PTS does not equal all templars, do the math. Again how can i be a troll when i bring facts you only bring random spam with no real meaning?? Eighter post something that can prove and show something or go away and shut up. Thank you.

zornyan · November 2015

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Sorry bro but if there is a pro in such things around here they should at least prove me wrong, thats what a normal brain people debate should be like. But if you go around and say light armor ten times that don't make you a pro. I am willing to meet with people and prove me wrong, simple as that, less bla bla more pew pew pros. They say i don't listen to their advice but they fail to make a point, how can i take serious such a person, i gave my stats, i am willing to meet in cyro, i will admit i failed if i am proven wrong. Talking smack only gets stupid people happy, proving it makes everyone happy.

Okay now I'm certain you're just trolling .

You don't want to listen to advise, you don't want to try and review your build, you believe you are the best and that it's zos fault.

Go watch sypher videos of him 1vx and tell him it's broken and it can't be your fault.

No wonder you can't explain yourself if you copy someone else. I don't want to see PTS video randoms ok? 1 guy on PTS does not equal all templars, do the math. Again how can i be a troll when i bring facts you only bring random spam with no real meaning?? Eighter post something that can prove and show something or go away and shut up. Thank you.

My build isn't anything remotely like syphers, I was merely pointing out that templars are viable. You simply lack skill. The fact you're trying to dps in heavy armor proves that

DanielWinterborn · November 2015

Ok bro i get it, there are some % of people that can make the templar be a real pain. As i stated before i don't want to be king of the hill i just want to be able to see that i have a shot of doing some damage myself as a medium templar. For some reason people keep saying that heavy armor on templar is bad. Ok, explain to me why, that's what i'm asking, tell me why i'm so off with my stupid heavy armor, again i am willing to compare stats, i am willing to duel and to debate but please give me some real info here and let's get a brain debate going....

Here are my full stats on spell breaker :

http://postimg.org/image/ftnrv3g7p/

Cinbri · November 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Templar in light armor in duel=viable
Templar in light armor in Cyrodiil=free AP.
I thought it is well-known fact of templar daily life. There is no way for LA templar to survive 6 enemies on him, and thats how Cyro looks nowdays.
And despite i on @DanielWinterborn side, i wanna see capability of your setup in duel, just /w me.

No one not a single person can survive against 6 good players.

Against 6 poor players? I can do that easy, and have before.

I've seen an emperor take on a zerg of 20 and demolish them, but me and 2 friends killed that same player, why? Because the zerg had poor players in it. The emperor wasn't even hugely skilled, he mostly just spammed steel tornado and vigor, but no one bothered to try and CC and root him.

1v1 some classes are better than others, but 2v1 of 3 equally skilled players then numbers will win.

Light armor doesn't leave you defence less, I have 16k armor buffed up, in full heavy I would have 20k unbuffed. So tell me why 4k is going to be so much better?

Seems you still donn't know that only reason to wear HA is 20% block reduce.

DanielWinterborn · November 2015

Not fully buffed BTW

zornyan · November 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Templar in light armor in duel=viable
Templar in light armor in Cyrodiil=free AP.
I thought it is well-known fact of templar daily life. There is no way for LA templar to survive 6 enemies on him, and thats how Cyro looks nowdays.
And despite i on @DanielWinterborn side, i wanna see capability of your setup in duel, just /w me.

No one not a single person can survive against 6 good players.

Against 6 poor players? I can do that easy, and have before.

I've seen an emperor take on a zerg of 20 and demolish them, but me and 2 friends killed that same player, why? Because the zerg had poor players in it. The emperor wasn't even hugely skilled, he mostly just spammed steel tornado and vigor, but no one bothered to try and CC and root him.

1v1 some classes are better than others, but 2v1 of 3 equally skilled players then numbers will win.

Light armor doesn't leave you defence less, I have 16k armor buffed up, in full heavy I would have 20k unbuffed. So tell me why 4k is going to be so much better?

Seems you still donn't know that only reason to wear HA is 20% block reduce.

You get 30% from sword and board if you want to block loads.

But he's trying to DPS so should be dual wielding, and being offensive, blocking should be minimal imo, and dodge rolling is better.

Cinbri · November 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Templar in light armor in duel=viable
Templar in light armor in Cyrodiil=free AP.
I thought it is well-known fact of templar daily life. There is no way for LA templar to survive 6 enemies on him, and thats how Cyro looks nowdays.
And despite i on @DanielWinterborn side, i wanna see capability of your setup in duel, just /w me.

No one not a single person can survive against 6 good players.

Against 6 poor players? I can do that easy, and have before.

I've seen an emperor take on a zerg of 20 and demolish them, but me and 2 friends killed that same player, why? Because the zerg had poor players in it. The emperor wasn't even hugely skilled, he mostly just spammed steel tornado and vigor, but no one bothered to try and CC and root him.

1v1 some classes are better than others, but 2v1 of 3 equally skilled players then numbers will win.

Light armor doesn't leave you defence less, I have 16k armor buffed up, in full heavy I would have 20k unbuffed. So tell me why 4k is going to be so much better?

Seems you still donn't know that only reason to wear HA is 20% block reduce.

You get 30% from sword and board if you want to block loads.

But he's trying to DPS so should be dual wielding, and being offensive, blocking should be minimal imo, and dodge rolling is better.

Templar sadly cant dps as good as other classes without loosing too much sustain.

zornyan · November 2015

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ok bro i get it, there are some % of people that can make the templar be a real pain. As i stated before i don't want to be king of the hill i just want to be able to see that i have a shot of doing some damage myself as a medium templar. For some reason people keep saying that heavy armor on templar is bad. Ok, explain to me why, that's what i'm asking, tell me why i'm so off with my stupid heavy armor, again i am willing to compare stats, i am willing to duel and to debate but please give me some real info here and let's get a brain debate going....

Here are my full stats on spell breaker :

http://postimg.org/image/ftnrv3g7p/

585 magicka recovery is TERRIBLE, I run around with 1600 atm, I'm sure nifty is in 1500+, you'll never complete vetmsa with that setup.

You're a wood elf, why? Zero magicka or health passives. That's probably the most useless race to go with on a magicka build. You want
Breton
High elf
Imperial
Dunmer.

You also only have 20k hp. My pvp specific templar has 26K with food.

You also only have 38% spell crit. You want a minimum of 50-55% spell critical.

Those are some pretty big points.

What mundus are you using?

zornyan · November 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Templar in light armor in duel=viable
Templar in light armor in Cyrodiil=free AP.
I thought it is well-known fact of templar daily life. There is no way for LA templar to survive 6 enemies on him, and thats how Cyro looks nowdays.
And despite i on @DanielWinterborn side, i wanna see capability of your setup in duel, just /w me.

No one not a single person can survive against 6 good players.

Against 6 poor players? I can do that easy, and have before.

I've seen an emperor take on a zerg of 20 and demolish them, but me and 2 friends killed that same player, why? Because the zerg had poor players in it. The emperor wasn't even hugely skilled, he mostly just spammed steel tornado and vigor, but no one bothered to try and CC and root him.

1v1 some classes are better than others, but 2v1 of 3 equally skilled players then numbers will win.

Light armor doesn't leave you defence less, I have 16k armor buffed up, in full heavy I would have 20k unbuffed. So tell me why 4k is going to be so much better?

Seems you still donn't know that only reason to wear HA is 20% block reduce.

You get 30% from sword and board if you want to block loads.

But he's trying to DPS so should be dual wielding, and being offensive, blocking should be minimal imo, and dodge rolling is better.

Templar sadly cant dps as good as other classes without loosing too much sustain.

Since when is 30k sustainable dps bad?

Cinbri · November 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Templar in light armor in duel=viable
Templar in light armor in Cyrodiil=free AP.
I thought it is well-known fact of templar daily life. There is no way for LA templar to survive 6 enemies on him, and thats how Cyro looks nowdays.
And despite i on @DanielWinterborn side, i wanna see capability of your setup in duel, just /w me.

No one not a single person can survive against 6 good players.

Against 6 poor players? I can do that easy, and have before.

I've seen an emperor take on a zerg of 20 and demolish them, but me and 2 friends killed that same player, why? Because the zerg had poor players in it. The emperor wasn't even hugely skilled, he mostly just spammed steel tornado and vigor, but no one bothered to try and CC and root him.

1v1 some classes are better than others, but 2v1 of 3 equally skilled players then numbers will win.

Light armor doesn't leave you defence less, I have 16k armor buffed up, in full heavy I would have 20k unbuffed. So tell me why 4k is going to be so much better?

Seems you still donn't know that only reason to wear HA is 20% block reduce.

You get 30% from sword and board if you want to block loads.

But he's trying to DPS so should be dual wielding, and being offensive, blocking should be minimal imo, and dodge rolling is better.

Templar sadly cant dps as good as other classes without loosing too much sustain.

Since when is 30k sustainable dps bad?

Since pvp is not pve but somewhy you think pvp=pve. i dueled @DanielWinterborn and he has nice setup for Cyro. If you AD/DC EU, you can duel me to show if your is better than his.

zornyan · November 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Templar in light armor in duel=viable
Templar in light armor in Cyrodiil=free AP.
I thought it is well-known fact of templar daily life. There is no way for LA templar to survive 6 enemies on him, and thats how Cyro looks nowdays.
And despite i on @DanielWinterborn side, i wanna see capability of your setup in duel, just /w me.

No one not a single person can survive against 6 good players.

Against 6 poor players? I can do that easy, and have before.

I've seen an emperor take on a zerg of 20 and demolish them, but me and 2 friends killed that same player, why? Because the zerg had poor players in it. The emperor wasn't even hugely skilled, he mostly just spammed steel tornado and vigor, but no one bothered to try and CC and root him.

1v1 some classes are better than others, but 2v1 of 3 equally skilled players then numbers will win.

Light armor doesn't leave you defence less, I have 16k armor buffed up, in full heavy I would have 20k unbuffed. So tell me why 4k is going to be so much better?

Seems you still donn't know that only reason to wear HA is 20% block reduce.

You get 30% from sword and board if you want to block loads.

But he's trying to DPS so should be dual wielding, and being offensive, blocking should be minimal imo, and dodge rolling is better.

Templar sadly cant dps as good as other classes without loosing too much sustain.

Since when is 30k sustainable dps bad?

Since pvp is not pve but somewhy you think pvp=pve. i dueled @DanielWinterborn and he has nice setup for Cyro. If you AD/DC EU, you can duel me to show if your is better than his.

I'm confused, if you mean pvp, why the hell are you talking bout dps? Dps is for pve dungeons, BURST is for pvp glass cannons.

He has less than 600 regen, that's terrible for pvp, any good player will easily exploit that and leave him with zero magicka. He also has next to no health at all.