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Dear ZOS, please save the group dungeon player population! Included inside is how this can be done.
Justice31st
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Giving the player the ability to obtain a group dungeon drop item such as the engine guardian helmet and then the player is allowed to deposit the item into the bank and give it to another alt should not be allowed. This creates a lower population of players queing for dungeons since there is usually no reason for the player to go back to the veteran dungeon like Dark Shade Caverns other than for the undaunted pledge that happens thier once in a great while.
Please make all current dungeon obtained items player have, bound to their current character and bank, and not be able to be given to their other characters. Also, this will help prevent people from using their OP sorceres to farm Maelstrom Arena for gear to use on their other characters, and will in return more diversify the leaderboards and bring more longevity to your game. Please help save the dungeon population. Thank you.
In addition, to further secure the future player population of group finder dungeon ques please also add the following.
1. Increased dungeon experience
2. Vote kick system
3. Hide player levels
4. Deserter debuff given to recently formed group member quitters.
5. Make all items bind on pickup but allow needed item to be traded to other group members for the next hour.
6. Add a loot bag to your first random group finder dungeon of the day.
7. Add a group finder damage and damage mitigation buff.
8. Give dungeon group list members the ability to teleport to cross faction players of pre formed groups.
Adding these simple additional steps to improve the current group finder state will also ensure your dungeon player population for years to come.
Edited by Justice31st on November 21, 2015 5:11AM Please make all current dungeon obtained items player have, bound to their current character and bank, and not be able to be given to their other characters. Also, this will help prevent people from using their OP sorceres to farm Maelstrom Arena for gear to use on their other characters, and will in return more diversify the leaderboards and bring more longevity to your game. Please help save the dungeon population. Thank you.
In addition, to further secure the future player population of group finder dungeon ques please also add the following.
1. Increased dungeon experience
2. Vote kick system
3. Hide player levels
4. Deserter debuff given to recently formed group member quitters.
5. Make all items bind on pickup but allow needed item to be traded to other group members for the next hour.
6. Add a loot bag to your first random group finder dungeon of the day.
7. Add a group finder damage and damage mitigation buff.
8. Give dungeon group list members the ability to teleport to cross faction players of pre formed groups.
Adding these simple additional steps to improve the current group finder state will also ensure your dungeon player population for years to come.
"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."
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✭Nonsense. Leave it the way it is.
Nothing nonsense about trying to increase the longevity of Elder Scrolls Onlines dying group dungeon population bro.
Edited by Justice31st on November 21, 2015 5:15AM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you." -
whsprwind✭✭✭If your goal is to increase the number of players running dungeons i would i have say those are some really terrible ideas.
Forcing players will do nothing, incentivising willNA(PC) - EP
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✭Justice31st wrote: »
They just needs to make group-finder where people want to help each other and suddenly everyone gets all their group-content done. Ive said group-finder should become ESO's main pillar.
Speaking of group-finder, I just hate when group is found, someone immediately leaves, wish they would get some penalty at least.Edited by Sausage on November 21, 2015 5:36AM -
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✭Justice31st wrote: »
They just needs to make group-finder where people want to help each other and suddenly everyone gets all their group-content done. Ive said group-finder should become ESO's main pillar.
Speaking of group-finder, I just hate when group is found, someone immediately leaves, wish they would get some penalty at least.
I agree. World of Warcraft did it perfectly with their deserter debuff."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you." -
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✭If your goal is to increase the number of players running dungeons i would i have say those are some really terrible ideas.
Forcing players will do nothing, incentivising will
Well then it is a good thing your opinion on this doesn't matter.
Edited by Justice31st on November 21, 2015 5:51AM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you." -
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✭I'm sorry, people should definitely work towards monster gear themselves so BoP is good, but that's all. Imagine the uproar when you get the prefect piece for an alt that you've been trying to get for months upon months due to bad RNG, and having to de-con it? I'd want to slap the devs even more than for the RNG\BoP sets in Orsinium.Edited by MrDerrikk on November 21, 2015 5:52AMI have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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✭✭✭✭Here are some problems with a few of the suggestions offered in the original post:- Limiting BoP to a single character is bad. If I have a char that has good gear and can run dungeons, I will use it to get better gear for other characters so they can run them.
- Making all loot BoP means you can't sell or trade what you don't need, so if your characters have all the loot they need why bother going back after all achievements are completed?
- A penalty for quitting a group within a time limit might work, but if you get in a really bad group you will be stuck with it or just give up for the night because of a debuff.
The basic problem with group dungeons and 12 person trials in ESO largely falls into two areas:
1. Some people have done it all 1000 times and see no reason to ever do it again.
The Undaunted didn't use to offer daily pledges or good loot in lock boxes. This was added fall 2014 to give such folks who had "been there and done that" a reason to go back. But eventually even that wears out. There haven't been any new vet group dungeons added to non-DLC zones for a very long time even though there are still group dungeons without vet versions.
2. Throwing people together randomly is exactly as reliable as it sounds.
People of different skill level and maturity get thrown together with the LFG tool, which can be a fun way to meet people or it can be awful because someone without heavy armor or a sword and shield queued as a tank but doesn't know how and can't anyway with their gear. Or a DPS joins who does less damage than the healer, cries about how he is taking too much damage while always standing in the red and never blocking/dodging, etc. And even if everyone is friendly, patient, and can do their job halfway well, some groups just don't work well together. Add into that how shy or anxious about screwing up/letting people down some players can be, and you have lots of people who are too frustrated, annoyed, worried, or outright scared to join, let alone run, with a group-finder pug.
So...
I've had some great times with pugs and posted about it on these forums, but I've also seen petty, fearful, and lazy people ruin (or nearly ruin) basic runs. I have 4 VR16s, a VR11, a level 46, and a level 25 that I sometimes play. The eighth character is still strictly a mule. None of my character have beaten all existing non-DLC group dungeons on regular and vet. One has all non-vet and a chunk of vet, one is almost done with non-vet but still has lots of vet to complete, and the others barely have any of it done. I would like all of them to at least have basic completions for the non-DLC group dungeons. I don't see it happening because often the time it takes to find a group and run the dungeon is too long.
My dungeon-running guild, which had some great players and used to be very active, is frequently unavailable with too few on most of them time, so I am left with the group-finder or "LFG" in zone. Generally I would rather just enjoy my time doing other content rather than having one of those "takes 20-60 minutes to get a group, then someone goes AFK for 30 minutes, then someone quits, etc, etc" experiences. I do run pugs, but not as often as groups have become harder to find (for me at least). Nor is it just me. I've rescued people in all of my guilds from that kind of "how will we finish?" situation by sending in my templar or nightblade after requests for aid went out in guild chat. One time the group in question had been in a dungeon for 5 hours before I volunteered and helped them with the final boss using my healer. We left with a completion 10 minutes after I arrived.
Possible Partial Solution?
If there were a system to differentiate between likely experienced players who know their stuff and likely inexperienced players who need coaching and practice, a mentor system could be built into the group-finder tool. If you, say, had X% completion on dungeons and achievements for non-vet, you could queue as a non-vet mentor. People with less experience could queue as noobs in need of help. Same for vet dungeons. Those who have the interest and patience to help inexperienced players could be paired with those who need it, and there would be no mystery. You know what you are getting into, so there is no reason to be nervous or annoyed. You could, of course, just group regularly as well.
There are many practical problems with such a system, such as how to set it up and how to avoid it being abused or exploited, especially if there were incentives for mentors. But it could really help more people get it into and be comfortable with doing such content and increase the number of eager, competent people looking to group up. I once saw a group of people standing around outside of the entrance to Arx Corinium, I think it was late summer of 2014, and I was typing "LFG Arx" every 3-4 minutes in zone. No replies. I finally used /say to ask if the people next to me were hoping to run Arx. They said "yes". I invited them to a group, we ran it, the end. The need is real.
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✭tinythinker wrote: »Here are some problems with a few of the suggestions offered in the original post:- Limiting BoP to a single character is bad. If I have a char that has good gear and can run dungeons, I will use it to get better gear for other characters so they can run them.
- Making all loot BoP means you can't sell or trade what you don't need, so if your characters have all the loot they need why bother going back after all achievements are completed?
- A penalty for quitting a group within a time limit might work, but if you get in a really bad group you will be stuck with it or just give up for the night because of a debuff.
The basic problem with group dungeons and 12 person trials in ESO largely falls into two areas:
1. Some people have done it all 1000 times and see no reason to ever do it again.
The Undaunted didn't use to offer daily pledges or good loot in lock boxes. This was added fall 2014 to give such folks who had "been there and done that" a reason to go back. But eventually even that wears out. There haven't been any new vet group dungeons added to non-DLC zones for a very long time even though there are still group dungeons without vet versions.
2. Throwing people together randomly is exactly as reliable as it sounds.
People of different skill level and maturity get thrown together with the LFG tool, which can be a fun way to meet people or it can be awful because someone without heavy armor or a sword and shield queued as a tank but doesn't know how and can't anyway with their gear. Or a DPS joins who does less damage than the healer, cries about how he is taking too much damage while always standing in the red and never blocking/dodging, etc. And even if everyone is friendly, patient, and can do their job halfway well, some groups just don't work well together. Add in how shy or anxious about screwing up/letting people down some players can be, and you have lots of people who are too frustrated, annoyed, worried, or outright scared to run a group-finder pug.
So...
I've had some great times with pugs and posted about it on these forums, but I've also seen petty, fearful, and lazy people ruin (or nearly ruin) basic runs. I have 4 VR16s, a VR11, a level 46, and a level 25 that I sometimes play. The eighth character is still strictly a mule. None of my character have beaten all existing non-DLC group dungeons on regular and vet. One has all non-vet and a chunk of vet, one is almost done with non-vet but still has lots of vet to complete, and the others barely have any of it done. I would like all of them to at least have basic completions for the non-DLC group dungeons. I don't see it happening because often the time it takes to find a group and run the dungeon is too long. My dungeon-running guild, which had some great players and used to be very active, is frequently unavailable with too few on most of them time, so I am left with the group-finder or "LFG" in zone. Generally I would rather just enjoy my time doing other content rather than having one of those "takes 20-60 minutes to get a group, then someone goes AFK for 30 minutes, then someone quits, etc, etc" experiences. I've rescued people in all of my guilds from that by sending in my templar or nightblade. Once they had been in a dungeon for 5 hours before I volunteered and helped them with the final boss using my healer. We left with a completion 10 minutes after I arrived.
If there were a system to differentiate between likely experienced players who know their stuff and likely inexperienced players who need coaching and practice, a mentor system could be built into the group-finder tool. If you, say, had X% completion on dungeons and achievements for non-vet, you could queue as a non-vet mentor. People with less experience could queue as noobs in need of help. Same for vet dungeons. Those who have the interest and patience to help inexperienced players could be paired with those who need it, and there would be no mystery. You know what you are getting into, so there is no reason to be nervous or annoyed. You could, of course, just group regularly as well.
There are many practical problems with such a system, such as how to set it up and how to avoid it being abused or exploited, especially if there were incentives for mentors. But it could really help more people get it into and be comfortable with doing such content and increase the number of eager, competent people looking to group up. I once saw a group of people standing around outside of the entrance to Arx Corinium, I think it was late summer of 2014, and I was typing "LFG Arx" every 3-4 minutes in zone. No replies. I finally used /say to ask if the people next to me were hoping to run Arx. They said "yes". I invited them to a group, we ran it, the end. The need is real.
I disagree, if players could just buy all their gear through the guild traders, then those players would never even que up for a dungeon more than once to start with. That would create an even lower group dungeon player population.Edited by Justice31st on November 21, 2015 6:37AM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you." -
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And the rest?Justice31st wrote: »tinythinker wrote: »Here are some problems with a few of the suggestions offered in the original post:- Limiting BoP to a single character is bad. If I have a char that has good gear and can run dungeons, I will use it to get better gear for other characters so they can run them.
- Making all loot BoP means you can't sell or trade what you don't need, so if your characters have all the loot they need why bother going back after all achievements are completed?
- A penalty for quitting a group within a time limit might work, but if you get in a really bad group you will be stuck with it or just give up for the night because of a debuff.
The basic problem with group dungeons and 12 person trials in ESO largely falls into two areas:
1. Some people have done it all 1000 times and see no reason to ever do it again.
The Undaunted didn't use to offer daily pledges or good loot in lock boxes. This was added fall 2014 to give such folks who had "been there and done that" a reason to go back. But eventually even that wears out. There haven't been any new vet group dungeons added to non-DLC zones for a very long time even though there are still group dungeons without vet versions.
2. Throwing people together randomly is exactly as reliable as it sounds.
People of different skill level and maturity get thrown together with the LFG tool, which can be a fun way to meet people or it can be awful because someone without heavy armor or a sword and shield queued as a tank but doesn't know how and can't anyway with their gear. Or a DPS joins who does less damage than the healer, cries about how he is taking too much damage while always standing in the red and never blocking/dodging, etc. And even if everyone is friendly, patient, and can do their job halfway well, some groups just don't work well together. Add in how shy or anxious about screwing up/letting people down some players can be, and you have lots of people who are too frustrated, annoyed, worried, or outright scared to run a group-finder pug.
So...
I've had some great times with pugs and posted about it on these forums, but I've also seen petty, fearful, and lazy people ruin (or nearly ruin) basic runs. I have 4 VR16s, a VR11, a level 46, and a level 25 that I sometimes play. The eighth character is still strictly a mule. None of my character have beaten all existing non-DLC group dungeons on regular and vet. One has all non-vet and a chunk of vet, one is almost done with non-vet but still has lots of vet to complete, and the others barely have any of it done. I would like all of them to at least have basic completions for the non-DLC group dungeons. I don't see it happening because often the time it takes to find a group and run the dungeon is too long. My dungeon-running guild, which had some great players and used to be very active, is frequently unavailable with too few on most of them time, so I am left with the group-finder or "LFG" in zone. Generally I would rather just enjoy my time doing other content rather than having one of those "takes 20-60 minutes to get a group, then someone goes AFK for 30 minutes, then someone quits, etc, etc" experiences. I've rescued people in all of my guilds from that by sending in my templar or nightblade. Once they had been in a dungeon for 5 hours before I volunteered and helped them with the final boss using my healer. We left with a completion 10 minutes after I arrived.
If there were a system to differentiate between likely experienced players who know their stuff and likely inexperienced players who need coaching and practice, a mentor system could be built into the group-finder tool. If you, say, had X% completion on dungeons and achievements for non-vet, you could queue as a non-vet mentor. People with less experience could queue as noobs in need of help. Same for vet dungeons. Those who have the interest and patience to help inexperienced players could be paired with those who need it, and there would be no mystery. You know what you are getting into, so there is no reason to be nervous or annoyed. You could, of course, just group regularly as well.
There are many practical problems with such a system, such as how to set it up and how to avoid it being abused or exploited, especially if there were incentives for mentors. But it could really help more people get it into and be comfortable with doing such content and increase the number of eager, competent people looking to group up. I once saw a group of people standing around outside of the entrance to Arx Corinium, I think it was late summer of 2014, and I was typing "LFG Arx" every 3-4 minutes in zone. No replies. I finally used /say to ask if the people next to me were hoping to run Arx. They said "yes". I invited them to a group, we ran it, the end. The need is real.
I disagree, if players could just buy all their gear through the guild traders, then those players would never even que up for a dungeon more than once to start with. That would create an even lower group dungeon player population.
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Fruitmass✭✭✭✭I have to agree with Tinythinker about his second point and I support the idea of a Mentor program. I see no real harm in it as it would give people the chance to learn the ropes at their own pace and on their terms rather than simply throwing themselves into the thick of it all and hoping for the best. Which would be a welcome relief for many, including myself.
I don't mind being put into random groups, sometimes it can be rather fun and as a healer I see it as good practice. Nor do I give a rat's fanny about perfection. I cannot expect it from myself (I know I have off days) so I do not expect it from others. All I can ask of anyone else is that they at least try.
That being said though I've seen the ugly side of PUGs. I've been on the receiving end of someone's raging ego enough times across numerous games and it's made me more cautious about participating in new activities.
In ESO this puts me in an awkward position because I want to start doing Veteran dungeons but my interest is tempered by past experiences. I'm a fairly fast learner but it's getting the chance to learn is what worries me. I genuinely have no desire to ruin a run for others by slowing them down or making mistakes, nor do I wish to be berated for every mistakes I make.
As grateful as I am that the group finder is working now, there are flaws. One of the big ones I've encountered is that with the way the LFG tool is set up right now we're all being thrown together not knowing if the other members of our group are or are not experienced with their particular role, the dungeon or the difficulty. Many just take it for granted that that the answer is yes and there are a good (likely growing) number of people who refuse to take a gamble on that. As a result folks are dropping out or booting each other before they give or have been given a chance. This, to me, is a bigger issue than BoP/BoE gear or RNG drops.
Personally, if I knew I had the option to queue for a dungeon I didn't know and had never done to be matched up with others who were in the same boat as myself and there was someone available who was willing and able to explain the mechanics for boss encounters, without leaving me feeling pressured to rush through for the sake of a pledge. I'd feel much better about taking a crack at running vet dungeons.
I know there's always the option to seek out guilds for such things and I'm sure there are plenty out there that are helpful and inclusive. Unfortunately once again my own personal experiences have admittedly colored my expectations. As they say, once bitten twice shy. While I can appreciate that some people prefer guilds I've come to feel it's just not my cup of tea. While doing it on my own doesn't make it impossible to get practical, hands on experience it does make it more difficult.
Having something like a mentor program could do a lot of good for people who want to learn more about the game but are worried they aren't up to task or won't be given a chance. It can also do a lot of good towards improving participation with the LFG tool in that by helping players better understand the dungeons and encounters there will be an increased number of knowledgeable and experienced players available to group with and by providing and encouraging helpful, friendly interaction and atmosphere people will take away a less negative impression of grouping tool and those who use it.Edited by Fruitmass on November 21, 2015 8:11PMBeware all ye who log on for here there be typos... -
G0ku✭✭✭✭These suggestions are crap, imho. I know people who never got a Valkyn hat / a engine guardian hat. They stopped trying because of that. Imagine if you get the right piece but it´s on your wrong char.
1 ok
2 no
3 why
4 hell no, lol
5 more bop? rly?
6 no use for loot bag with bop
7 whatever
8 no oppinion on thatJustice31st wrote: »
I hope yours never will, too. Your suggestions would make an already awful even worse...- First AD EU Group to finish DSA VET -
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✭✭The only thing they need to have is being able to queue for multiple dungeons.0331
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TiberX✭✭✭No way! You want to force poeple to raid only with friends? If they would implement such changes i would only run with friends or with my elite guild. All good players will only run with their own
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Yup, that's the idea.Personally, if I knew I had the option to queue for a dungeon I didn't know and had never done to be matched up with others who were in the same boat as myself and there was someone available who was willing and able to explain the mechanics for boss encounters, without leaving me feeling pressured to rush through for the sake of a pledge. I'd feel much better about taking a crack at running vet dungeons.
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Having something like a mentor program could do a lot of good for people who want to learn more about the game but are worried they aren't up to task or won't be given a chance. It can also do a lot of good towards improving participation with the LFG tool in that by helping players better understand the dungeons and encounters there will be an increased number of knowledgeable and experienced players available to group with and by providing and encouraging helpful, friendly interaction and atmosphere people will take away a less negative impression of grouping tool and those who use it.
And karma system tied to such mentoring could also help people get better drops from completing instanced grouped content.
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zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »Giving the player the ability to obtain a group dungeon drop item such as the engine guardian helmet and then the player is allowed to deposit the item into the bank and give it to another alt should not be allowed. This creates a lower population of players queing for dungeons since there is usually no reason for the player to go back to the veteran dungeon like Dark Shade Caverns other than for the undaunted pledge that happens thier once in a great while.
Please make all current dungeon obtained items player have, bound to their current character and bank, and not be able to be given to their other characters. Also, this will help prevent people from using their OP sorceres to farm Maelstrom Arena for gear to use on their other characters, and will in return more diversify the leaderboards and bring more longevity to your game. Please help save the dungeon population. Thank you.
In addition, to further secure the future player population of group finder dungeon ques please also add the following.
1. Increased dungeon experience
2. Vote kick system
3. Hide player levels
4. Deserter debuff given to recently formed group member quitters.
5. Make all items bind on pickup but allow needed item to be traded to other group members for the next hour.
6. Add a loot bag to your first random group finder dungeon of the day.
7. Add a group finder damage and damage mitigation buff.
8. Give dungeon group list members the ability to teleport to cross faction players of pre formed groups.
Adding these simple additional steps to improve the current group finder state will also ensure your dungeon player population for years to come.
Worst idea yet, if this happened dungeons will be completly dead.
You can farm dungeons dozens of times to get the helmet you need, that's *** to not be able to give it to an alt.
Example I am always the healer with my regular group, because 2 of my friends only have stam dps builds.
So does that mean my Stamblade should never be given a piece of Molag Kena to sue because I can't use him with my regular group?
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✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »
One does not increase the longevity of a "game" (read: FUN) by FORCING players to do something they do not enjoy through some contrived inconvenience. One increases the longevity of a game by finding out WHY a particular activity is seen as not fun and FIXING IT.
Right now there are frustrating aspects of the veteran dungeon content like instant-death mechanics with no or very little telegraph, and an elitist and hostile attitude among people struggling with grind/repetition burnout that hardly wants to give anyone but min-maxers a chance even if they are willing to go.
I think the dungeons can be pretty fun and are certainly worth experiencing. Part of it is the risk/reward system being flawed by too much RNG. I think if they were to implement a token system where people could save up and buy the items they want in the armor type they want and with the traits they want, then people might be more willing to run the content.
I originally suggested this be done on a per-faction basis, where each veteran dungeon had it's own faction and you could only get the gear from them after reaching a certain rep, in order to keep players running certain dungeons for the guaranteed perfect roll even if they already got a decent one through RNG, but people seemed to hate the faction idea.
They like the idea of a token system though.
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✭I'm confused about this whole "dying" population you mentioned. Maybe I'm crazy, but I never run into a lack of players to group up with. That's the awesome benefit of having guilds that I rely on for all of my content, and friends on my friends list, and knowing the people that I know both in and out of the game.
But anyone who's read my posts knows I'm pro-Token system.Edited by Shadesofkin on November 21, 2015 10:02PM@shadesofkin -NA Server.
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Most certainly. Good deeds should always be rewarded.tinythinker wrote: »
Yup, that's the idea.Personally, if I knew I had the option to queue for a dungeon I didn't know and had never done to be matched up with others who were in the same boat as myself and there was someone available who was willing and able to explain the mechanics for boss encounters, without leaving me feeling pressured to rush through for the sake of a pledge. I'd feel much better about taking a crack at running vet dungeons.
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Having something like a mentor program could do a lot of good for people who want to learn more about the game but are worried they aren't up to task or won't be given a chance. It can also do a lot of good towards improving participation with the LFG tool in that by helping players better understand the dungeons and encounters there will be an increased number of knowledgeable and experienced players available to group with and by providing and encouraging helpful, friendly interaction and atmosphere people will take away a less negative impression of grouping tool and those who use it.
And karma system tied to such mentoring could also help people get better drops from completing instanced grouped content. Beware all ye who log on for here there be typos... -
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✭Justice31st wrote: »
One does not increase the longevity of a "game" (read: FUN) by FORCING players to do something they do not enjoy through some contrived inconvenience. One increases the longevity of a game by finding out WHY a particular activity is seen as not fun and FIXING IT.
Your first paragraph really says it all for me.
With so many things to accomplish in the game, dungeons can become a burdensome inconvenience for those of us trying to make progress in the game with very limited play time. They require time and require your full uninterrupted attention. You can't step away during a dungeon run and come back without making the others in the group very angry.PS4 Pro NA -
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✭✭A better improvement would just be the buffs. If me as a DPS is having to carry a lower level with lower skills and DPS (having tons of magika doesn't help 30k isn't even a lot these days) the give me a buff to spell damage, the same for stam players give them some more crit and wp damage. Healers..give them about 10k magika to help prop up the lower level players rather than having to worry about sustain more than usual and tanks give them a serious buff to stamina and why not remove the block issues and cool downs. Making it slightly easier is key. Tried COA yesterday and it was just damn hard. What's the point in a health buff when all the armour and resistance of the other players is so damn low. Health alone does nothing.PC Master Race
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zornyan✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »A better improvement would just be the buffs. If me as a DPS is having to carry a lower level with lower skills and DPS (having tons of magika doesn't help 30k isn't even a lot these days) the give me a buff to spell damage, the same for stam players give them some more crit and wp damage. Healers..give them about 10k magika to help prop up the lower level players rather than having to worry about sustain more than usual and tanks give them a serious buff to stamina and why not remove the block issues and cool downs. Making it slightly easier is key. Tried COA yesterday and it was just damn hard. What's the point in a health buff when all the armour and resistance of the other players is so damn low. Health alone does nothing.
You can change that though, maybe it's because they are improperly geared?
I made a set of julianos blue armor for level 24 sorc, which should be easily do able and cheap enough for anyone, 34k magicka and 2600 spell damage. That's hardly bad, and could be improved further with purple armor and weapons. -
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DDemon✭✭✭✭Making gear character bound instead of account wide would not get me to do more dungeons. I would rather not bother at all due to the sheer annoyance it would cause me.
As mentioned earlier, making gear bind on equip, rather than bind on pickup, would cause people to actually farm dungeons, as there is a reason to farm them once they have the pieces for themselves.
