Level discrimation. ZOS please hide player levels in the group finder and add a vote kick system.

Hateanthem

If player levels were hidden, then the group finder would need to automatically adjust your group to the lowest level.

You do know that you would be able to tell by the NPC levels in dungeons right?

Also this elitest argument is just trash. How about people that don't give two ships quit being self centered and actually try? It's not elitest to want to do well, or to be properly geared for your level. It means you want to go kill some stuff and not take forever doing it.

This games community is by far the most self-centered group of gamers I have ever ran across. It's not because they link dps meters, or link raid achievements, it because so many feel that they can be terrible, invest no time or forethought into their character, and still expect you to carry them. If you don't want to, you are the elitest, and they are very vocal about it.

I hope more and more good players leave this game so you self centered terribads have no one to pull you through. Maybe then you will decide to quit being that templar healer in medium armor and spamming carve because it "builds muh ulti supah fast", or the dps " that's a little TANKY" causing the boss fight to last forever.

Numbers are numbers. If you want to complete content you need to find a way to pull the numbers required. And most of the time that means NOT playing however you want because the toons animations are cool looking.

Dear lawdy there are so many terrible players in this game who think just being in your party means they are helping.

MrDerrikk

Hateanthem wrote: »

If player levels were hidden, then the group finder would need to automatically adjust your group to the lowest level.

You do know that you would be able to tell by the NPC levels in dungeons right?

Also this elitest argument is just trash. How about people that don't give two ships quit being self centered and actually try? It's not elitest to want to do well, or to be properly geared for your level. It means you want to go kill some stuff and not take forever doing it.

This games community is by far the most self-centered group of gamers I have ever ran across. It's not because they link dps meters, or link raid achievements, it because so many feel that they can be terrible, invest no time or forethought into their character, and still expect you to carry them. If you don't want to, you are the elitest, and they are very vocal about it.

I hope more and more good players leave this game so you self centered terribads have no one to pull you through. Maybe then you will decide to quit being that templar healer in medium armor and spamming carve because it "builds muh ulti supah fast", or the dps " that's a little TANKY" causing the boss fight to last forever.

Numbers are numbers. If you want to complete content you need to find a way to pull the numbers required. And most of the time that means NOT playing however you want because the toons animations are cool looking.

Dear lawdy there are so many terrible players in this game who think just being in your party means they are helping.

What if you are an experienced player who knows the mechanics, on their 5th alt with BIS gear at purple, but get kicked because the alt in question is in the low VR's? This is about those people having a chance of doing the dungeon.

Ariisen

TBH I don't think the scaling is bad..
I tanked all Veteran City of Ash V16 easy as a VR9 all blue 5 Hist Bark\2 Seducer\5 Unassalable.

Now... I don't dare try Vet WGT or Vet ICP but all other dungeons are perfectly doable, if somebody can't do them while being battle levelled it's not a matter of being V16 or V1.

No reason to kick somebody because it's a low level considering most of the low levels I see while questing my alts are player I see running around Former Emperors titles with their V16s at the Undaunted.. while the one who kicked the guy is problably taking his main to his first run into the dungeon hoping to be carried.

radiostar

It's obvious that Z needs to make more options in the AutoGrouper. And they have said they're not finished with it yet, so they know they need to add things like a level select/CP select. It's probably part of what they add in the future. But it's up to the GL to decide who to keep on the group or not.

JMadFour

the obvious problem here, is that people simply don't know or understand that the Group Finder now scales everyone up to VR16 regardless of their actual level. people are assuming that the group finder functions as it always used to, when Orsinium changed the way it works.

they are thinking that they are getting grouped up with VR2s with regular VR2 stats in a VR16 dungeon, when they are actually being grouped with battle-leveled VR2s whose stats have been boosted to a VR16 level for he duration of the dungeon.

this needs to be more clearly explained ingame.

also, the Group Finder is not for super min/maxed static group dungeon farm players. it is for PUGS. if you have a specific criteria that you require for your group, then you need to create your own groups for these dungeons and not use the group finder.

JMadFour

Hateanthem wrote: »

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so you just completely missed the entire point of everything in order to posture and chest thump for literally no reason at all.

nicely done.

sidenote, in my 15 years of MMO experience, the loudest trash talkers are generally the ones who always need to be carried, thus their obsession with insulting "terrible players" for not being able to carry them.

the actual, genuine, real-deal awesome superstar players who carry groups don't need to come to the forums spewing trash talk as loudly as possible to make themselves look like good players. we know who the great ones are already.

Artjuh90

Hateanthem wrote: »

If player levels were hidden, then the group finder would need to automatically adjust your group to the lowest level.

You do know that you would be able to tell by the NPC levels in dungeons right?

Also this elitest argument is just trash. How about people that don't give two ships quit being self centered and actually try? It's not elitest to want to do well, or to be properly geared for your level. It means you want to go kill some stuff and not take forever doing it.

This games community is by far the most self-centered group of gamers I have ever ran across. It's not because they link dps meters, or link raid achievements, it because so many feel that they can be terrible, invest no time or forethought into their character, and still expect you to carry them. If you don't want to, you are the elitest, and they are very vocal about it.

I hope more and more good players leave this game so you self centered terribads have no one to pull you through. Maybe then you will decide to quit being that templar healer in medium armor and spamming carve because it "builds muh ulti supah fast", or the dps " that's a little TANKY" causing the boss fight to last forever.

Numbers are numbers. If you want to complete content you need to find a way to pull the numbers required. And most of the time that means NOT playing however you want because the toons animations are cool looking.

Dear lawdy there are so many terrible players in this game who think just being in your party means they are helping.

do we need to take you seriouslu when your name is hateanthem?
sry but your probably just hating

Holycannoli

Seravi wrote: »

I tried to get a group for Volenfell yesterday being lvl 40. Finally we found a V16 tank that would help in zone chat but when we got inside they didn't do anything but stand around. The dungeon leveled to V16 so it wasn't going well for the two lower levels under me. Disbanded that and later I used the group tool for the first time ever. After four minutes I was grouped with two v16's one lvl 35 and me lvl 40. They were a bit hesitant at first to have two lowers in a vet level dungeon but wanted to move forward. We all worked together and had a great time. Yeah I have only used it once but it was a great experience, made some great friends and had a blast!

I had a very similar experience. I was level 43, the tool found a group for me (after 6 hours ugh) with a level 35 and two vets like v10 and v3. We did fine.

I don't know if vet level dungeons are different but the loot was also scaled to each of us in a normal dungeon.

Is there still such a thing as a normal dungeon now? The tool lets you queue for normal or vet but everything is scaled to v16 now so I don't know how it works anymore. I queued for a normal dungeon.

CirithValaria

Any "normal" dungeon can be scaled to veteran...but the dungeon itself doesn't change.
The actual "veteran" dungeon means those that has "upgraded version" with new&continued story /bosses/mobs.
Not all dungeons have veteran version yet, so if you select "veteran mode" lets say from Selene's Web its still like normal.

Its rather confusing at start.

Islyn

code65536 wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

So I have noticed when I play my v16 my group dungeon start rate using the group finder tool is pretty successful. However, when I play an low lvl I sometimes get kicked from group right away. I believe this is because the group leader checks group list levels. We are all battle leveled to v16 already, so why punish people who want to level through dungeons on their lower lvl alts. I feel not hiding the player level is creating discrimination while using the group finder tool. Atleast put in a vote kick system using the pop up check system.

I'm sorry to burst bubbles here but no way on Earth would I roll up into even vcoa with a v1 in a v16 group. Your deeps and resist couldn't handle the job.

Nothing personal just a fact.

I guess Cyrodiil or whatever might be different.

"Just a fact"? Um. Did you miss the part about the VR1 being battle-leveled to VR15? The battle leveling gives bonus stats to the lower levels, too. So his resist and DPS should be fine, if he's properly built.

Um did YOU miss the fact that all the levels (pretend or actually earned) in the WORLD won't make someone a better player or give them enough resist and DPS?

There are people I would bring to a v16 thing who are not v16. Yes. People who I believe can handle it. However, I have been lately in several pledges with v6-v10 people in the group and they got hit harder, often Insta Died (one-shot damage higher than their max health), were taking FOREVERRRRRRR to DPS down an easy boss (Vila Theran) that all they have to do is just shoot her, etc.

Also, how many v1s you know going around in proper gear - lemme tell ya, I know a lot of people in game and MOST wouldn't bother crafting Set Gear before v10 earliest.

Additionally, I admit i don't read patch notes all the time because TL;DR don't care that much - but isn't battle levelling only in Cryo and Wrothgar?

That would have nothing to do with pledges then.

Finally, please don't throw pointless snark at me and expect me to take your nonsensical answer seriously.

I don't care if you have a difference of OPINION because it's irrelevant to me and no amount of snark from some random is going to change that.

Islyn

PBpsy wrote: »

After a couple of hundreds of vet runs I am not interested in struggling trough imiril or freaking Praxing

Exactly.

Or hey I know! At green phase of Engine Guardian, let's just run all the way across the place all by ourselves and wonder why we suddenly died...

Yeah I am not chasing people down anymore.