The Flawless Conqueror

UltimaJoe777

Yet another nigh impossible objective lol

Has anyone managed to snag this title yet though?

Paulington

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

UltimaJoe777

Paulington wrote: »

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

Oh yeah I seriously doubt it's possible to clear vMA without sigils without dieing unless you have godly stats capable of soloing any group content in the game lol

Gelassenheit

Paulington wrote: »

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

This. I've done a few < 5 death runs. Though I doubt I could do a 0 death run with no sigil usage. On some rounds, I can sometimes do it without a sigil, but using a sigil nearly guarantees success. Now that I've place #1 NA for templars (At least, I hope it still is #1), I can start working on no death runs.

Using pots other than the junk ones you get everywhere can also greatly improve your chances of survival. I'm just way too cheap to use the good stuff.

hrothbern

Has there already been a double S&B character that achieved Maelstrom Arena Conqueror?

GilGalad

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

Oh yeah I seriously doubt it's possible to clear vMA without sigils without dieing unless you have godly stats capable of soloing any group content in the game lol

Maybe @Cîanai wants to comment on this! ;-)

Nifty2g

Lots of sorcs have it and a handful of nightblades when refreshing path was around
unsure if dks or templars have it, i guess i was pretty close 5 deaths but i'm not gonna go for it for awhile

Olysja

i've it on my templar on eu side. but well, many doesn't have it just cause for fast run sometimes you risk a bit:)

alkoriak

Asneakybanana did it in direct in his stream on twitch without taking any sigils (that i remember) because he also wanted to have top score.

Cîanai

Gil.Galad wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

Oh yeah I seriously doubt it's possible to clear vMA without sigils without dieing unless you have godly stats capable of soloing any group content in the game lol

Maybe @Cîanai wants to comment on this! ;-)

I got the no death with my sorc 5 days after orsinium without any sigil.
DK is much harder, my best run was with 5 deaths. But this week I will try to get it on him as well.

Ezareth

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

Oh yeah I seriously doubt it's possible to clear vMA without sigils without dieing unless you have godly stats capable of soloing any group content in the game lol

I cleared it without sigils and only 9 deaths last night. Every one of those deaths was to either a bug or a stupid mistake on my part. I didn't even die on Stage 9. I'll get this eventually when the stars line up with the RNG gods.

Nifty2g

Ezareth wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

Oh yeah I seriously doubt it's possible to clear vMA without sigils without dieing unless you have godly stats capable of soloing any group content in the game lol

I cleared it without sigils and only 9 deaths last night. Every one of those deaths was to either a bug or a stupid mistake on my part. I didn't even die on Stage 9. I'll get this eventually when the stars line up with the RNG gods.

What was clear time and score @Ezareth I'm just trying to figure out if there's a no sigil bonus

usmcjdking

I can no death up to stage 5.

That's when ZOS decided that you should be able to do X amount of damage in Y amount of time or lose regardless of what you do.

Haven't stepped in since Day 2. Don't care to either.

Pchela

Methuselah on NA PC has it

Cîanai

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

Oh yeah I seriously doubt it's possible to clear vMA without sigils without dieing unless you have godly stats capable of soloing any group content in the game lol

I cleared it without sigils and only 9 deaths last night. Every one of those deaths was to either a bug or a stupid mistake on my part. I didn't even die on Stage 9. I'll get this eventually when the stars line up with the RNG gods.

What was clear time and score @Ezareth I'm just trying to figure out if there's a no sigil bonus

There is one.

Ezareth

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

Oh yeah I seriously doubt it's possible to clear vMA without sigils without dieing unless you have godly stats capable of soloing any group content in the game lol

I cleared it without sigils and only 9 deaths last night. Every one of those deaths was to either a bug or a stupid mistake on my part. I didn't even die on Stage 9. I'll get this eventually when the stars line up with the RNG gods.

What was clear time and score @Ezareth I'm just trying to figure out if there's a no sigil bonus

I'd have to look but it was 1:41.09 and ~353,000 or whatever my current high score is right now on the boards. I took some screenshots of the screens when I beat it for my own purposes. I can check for you when I get home.

usmcjdking wrote: »

I can no death up to stage 5.

That's when ZOS decided that you should be able to do X amount of damage in Y amount of time or lose regardless of what you do.

Haven't stepped in since Day 2. Don't care to either.

Stage 5 I used to think was DPS check but it in reality is not unless you have truly horrible DPS.

Olysja

Cîanai wrote: »

There is one.

are you sure there is a bonus for 0sigils?:o so probably nifty you have to try with 0 next time :P

Cîanai

Olysja wrote: »

Cîanai wrote: »

There is one.

are you sure there is a bonus for 0sigils?:o so probably nifty you have to try with 0 next time :P

Pretty sure, yes

OrphanHelgen

pics or it didnt happend

usmcjdking

Ezareth wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

Oh yeah I seriously doubt it's possible to clear vMA without sigils without dieing unless you have godly stats capable of soloing any group content in the game lol

I cleared it without sigils and only 9 deaths last night. Every one of those deaths was to either a bug or a stupid mistake on my part. I didn't even die on Stage 9. I'll get this eventually when the stars line up with the RNG gods.

What was clear time and score @Ezareth I'm just trying to figure out if there's a no sigil bonus

I'd have to look but it was 1:41.09 and ~353,000 or whatever my current high score is right now on the boards. I took some screenshots of the screens when I beat it for my own purposes. I can check for you when I get home.

usmcjdking wrote: »

I can no death up to stage 5.

That's when ZOS decided that you should be able to do X amount of damage in Y amount of time or lose regardless of what you do.

Haven't stepped in since Day 2. Don't care to either.

Stage 5 I used to think was DPS check but it in reality is not unless you have truly horrible DPS.

Ezareth wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

A few people on EU have it, I was two deaths away from getting it yesterday.

In reality if you just hammer all the sigils at the right time it's not overly difficult, it's getting a no-death run with little sigil use that is hard! .

Honestly I think it's just practice, knowing when to time sigil use, saving ultimate for when it is required. A lot of people called Imperial City Prison "impossible" when it was released when it'd been done already on the PTS, now as people have practiced and gotten better they are on farm.

Give it time and a bit of practice and a lot more people will have it!

Oh yeah I seriously doubt it's possible to clear vMA without sigils without dieing unless you have godly stats capable of soloing any group content in the game lol

I cleared it without sigils and only 9 deaths last night. Every one of those deaths was to either a bug or a stupid mistake on my part. I didn't even die on Stage 9. I'll get this eventually when the stars line up with the RNG gods.

What was clear time and score @Ezareth I'm just trying to figure out if there's a no sigil bonus

I'd have to look but it was 1:41.09 and ~353,000 or whatever my current high score is right now on the boards. I took some screenshots of the screens when I beat it for my own purposes. I can check for you when I get home.

usmcjdking wrote: »

I can no death up to stage 5.

That's when ZOS decided that you should be able to do X amount of damage in Y amount of time or lose regardless of what you do.

Haven't stepped in since Day 2. Don't care to either.

Stage 5 I used to think was DPS check but it in reality is not unless you have truly horrible DPS.

@Ezareth You contradicted yourself in the exact same sentence. You just said it's not a DPS check unless you don't have enough DPS.

Ezareth

usmcjdking wrote: »

@Ezareth You contradicted yourself in the exact same sentence. You just said it's not a DPS check unless you don't have enough DPS.

DPS check typically means you need to be able to do a high level of DPS for a fight or you don't beat the fight.

This fight is more like you need to do a moderate amount of DPS after certain percentages of the bosses health. When I first started the fight I would open with overload and try burning the boss down with everything I had from the begining but that isn't the strategy. Now I know when all the add waves spawn and I ensure that I kill the adds right before I push the boss into the next "phase" so I can relax and burn him down without being pressured. The only way you fail at this fight is is the adds or boss kill you or your DPS is equivalent to nothing but heavy attacking or something and I think I could probably beat the boss with just heavy attacks TBH.

So yeah you can't HEAL the boss to death but it's not a real DPS check once you understand the mechanics.

Cîanai wrote: »

Olysja wrote: »

Cîanai wrote: »

There is one.

are you sure there is a bonus for 0sigils?:o so probably nifty you have to try with 0 next time :P

Pretty sure, yes

In my experience this isn't the case TBH. I've beat Maelstrom several times now with both 1 Sigil and 0 sigils in the 1:40 minute to 2 hour and 10 minute range with 8-20 deaths and my score is always in the 290K (20 deaths 2 hours 10 minutes) to 350K (8 death 1 hour 40 minutes) range.

I think the only penalty for using a sigil is displayed up front between stages. I can't recall but I think it 1000 points per sigil. I think after beating the final boss last night it said my score was 266K which is max pre bonuses. When I do 1 sigil on final stage of final boss it says 265K.

usmcjdking

Ezareth wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

@Ezareth You contradicted yourself in the exact same sentence. You just said it's not a DPS check unless you don't have enough DPS.

DPS check typically means you need to be able to do a high level of DPS for a fight or you don't beat the fight.

This fight is more like you need to do a moderate amount of DPS after certain percentages of the bosses health. When I first started the fight I would open with overload and try burning the boss down with everything I had from the begining but that isn't the strategy. Now I know when all the add waves spawn and I ensure that I kill the adds right before I push the boss into the next "phase" so I can relax and burn him down without being pressured. The only way you fail at this fight is is the adds or boss kill you or your DPS is equivalent to nothing but heavy attacking or something and I think I could probably beat the boss with just heavy attacks TBH.

So yeah you can't HEAL the boss to death but it's not a real DPS check once you understand the mechanics.

Cîanai wrote: »

Olysja wrote: »

Cîanai wrote: »

There is one.

are you sure there is a bonus for 0sigils?:o so probably nifty you have to try with 0 next time :P

Pretty sure, yes

In my experience this isn't the case TBH. I've beat Maelstrom several times now with both 1 Sigil and 0 sigils in the 1:40 minute to 2 hour and 10 minute range with 8-20 deaths and my score is always in the 290K (20 deaths 2 hours 10 minutes) to 350K (8 death 1 hour 40 minutes) range.

I think the only penalty for using a sigil is displayed up front between stages. I can't recall but I think it 1000 points per sigil. I think after beating the final boss last night it said my score was 266K which is max pre bonuses. When I do 1 sigil on final stage of final boss it says 265K.

Negative ghostrider.

He has an internal timer built into his ice platform smashes. It's a classic "if this -> then this" command line.

Cîanai

Ezareth wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

@Ezareth You contradicted yourself in the exact same sentence. You just said it's not a DPS check unless you don't have enough DPS.

DPS check typically means you need to be able to do a high level of DPS for a fight or you don't beat the fight.

This fight is more like you need to do a moderate amount of DPS after certain percentages of the bosses health. When I first started the fight I would open with overload and try burning the boss down with everything I had from the begining but that isn't the strategy. Now I know when all the add waves spawn and I ensure that I kill the adds right before I push the boss into the next "phase" so I can relax and burn him down without being pressured. The only way you fail at this fight is is the adds or boss kill you or your DPS is equivalent to nothing but heavy attacking or something and I think I could probably beat the boss with just heavy attacks TBH.

So yeah you can't HEAL the boss to death but it's not a real DPS check once you understand the mechanics.

Cîanai wrote: »

Olysja wrote: »

Cîanai wrote: »

There is one.

are you sure there is a bonus for 0sigils?:o so probably nifty you have to try with 0 next time :P

Pretty sure, yes

I think the only penalty for using a sigil is displayed up front between stages.

That's what I meant. You don't get a bonus, you only have no penalties.

Overbowed

As far as I know, 3 people in NA PC have it, myself being one of them. It is not as impossible as you think, and no sigils don't need to be used.

Ezareth

usmcjdking wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

@Ezareth You contradicted yourself in the exact same sentence. You just said it's not a DPS check unless you don't have enough DPS.

DPS check typically means you need to be able to do a high level of DPS for a fight or you don't beat the fight.

This fight is more like you need to do a moderate amount of DPS after certain percentages of the bosses health. When I first started the fight I would open with overload and try burning the boss down with everything I had from the begining but that isn't the strategy. Now I know when all the add waves spawn and I ensure that I kill the adds right before I push the boss into the next "phase" so I can relax and burn him down without being pressured. The only way you fail at this fight is is the adds or boss kill you or your DPS is equivalent to nothing but heavy attacking or something and I think I could probably beat the boss with just heavy attacks TBH.

So yeah you can't HEAL the boss to death but it's not a real DPS check once you understand the mechanics.

Cîanai wrote: »

Olysja wrote: »

Cîanai wrote: »

There is one.

are you sure there is a bonus for 0sigils?:o so probably nifty you have to try with 0 next time :P

Pretty sure, yes

In my experience this isn't the case TBH. I've beat Maelstrom several times now with both 1 Sigil and 0 sigils in the 1:40 minute to 2 hour and 10 minute range with 8-20 deaths and my score is always in the 290K (20 deaths 2 hours 10 minutes) to 350K (8 death 1 hour 40 minutes) range.

I think the only penalty for using a sigil is displayed up front between stages. I can't recall but I think it 1000 points per sigil. I think after beating the final boss last night it said my score was 266K which is max pre bonuses. When I do 1 sigil on final stage of final boss it says 265K.

Negative ghostrider.

He has an internal timer built into his ice platform smashes. It's a classic "if this -> then this" command line.

There a soft enrage I think built into the fight where he will smash the floe after a LONG time has passed but I think I only hit that once when I was trying to do nothing but kite around the adds instead of attacking the boss.

Trust me when I say the damage required to beat that stage (if you can kill the adds while tanking the boss) is not high at all if you kill the adds before pushing the boss past certain stages. The majority of the damage that I do to the boss is from Lightning Splash....a single ground Aoe with marginal DPS.

Ezareth

Overbowed wrote: »

As far as I know, 3 people in NA PC have it, myself being one of them. It is not as impossible as you think, and no sigils don't need to be used.

Are you using a Triple shield stack or Just Hardened? Do you use Bolt Escape at all?

Cîanai

Ezareth wrote: »

Overbowed wrote: »

As far as I know, 3 people in NA PC have it, myself being one of them. It is not as impossible as you think, and no sigils don't need to be used.

Are you using a Triple shield stack or Just Hardened? Do you use Bolt Escape at all?

The only defense you need as a sorc is hardened ward

svartorn

I'll probably get that one before Daedric Lord Slayer.

250+ dolmens down and only gotten 4 generals to spawn.

Alcast

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Yet another nigh impossible objective lol

Has anyone managed to snag this title yet though?

Easy as sorc, medicore on NBs...

Overbowed

Ezareth wrote: »

Overbowed wrote: »

As far as I know, 3 people in NA PC have it, myself being one of them. It is not as impossible as you think, and no sigils don't need to be used.

Are you using a Triple shield stack or Just Hardened? Do you use Bolt Escape at all?

Nope and nope. Stacking shields seems like a huge waste of time and bolt escape a huge waste of dps.

Alcast wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Yet another nigh impossible objective lol

Has anyone managed to snag this title yet though?

Easy as sorc, medicore on NBs...

Would have to agree, we are seeing which classes are best for solo play by design. Only time we'll see real balance is if they redesign the classes or negate class skills or something XD

Dymence

I have it on both classes on which I completed it, magicka sorc and magicka nb. Both were runs with 0 sigils.