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The Ambush Bug
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FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.1 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
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FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
We need 20 other people to be ESO in this patch it would seem.
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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Those 20 others don't pretend to 'be ESO' while in reality being part of a niche that is currently not getting the attention it deserves.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
We need 20 other people to be ESO in this patch it would seem.
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Even the NB are complaining about other NB spamming ambush. Although the issue isn't unique to NB, it's definitely annoying. I thought this was stealth changed in 1.7 though, I don't remember any gap closer being so annoying in 1.6 patch.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Those 20 others don't pretend to 'be ESO' while in reality being part of a niche that is currently not getting the attention it deserves.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
We need 20 other people to be ESO in this patch it would seem.
To be fair - FENGRUSH takes parts in many of the games aspects. The only exception is 24 man ball groups.
For demonstration, I volunteered to join VE for a night since they said I couldnt cut it in their group as it was described as a 'plug and play' environment. They refused because they fear FENGRUSH will prove everything said to be true.
Such is the life, carrying the weight of the name.2 -
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The smile you send out returns to you.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Those 20 others don't pretend to 'be ESO' while in reality being part of a niche that is currently not getting the attention it deserves.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
We need 20 other people to be ESO in this patch it would seem.
To be fair - FENGRUSH takes parts in many of the games aspects. The only exception is 24 man ball groups.
For demonstration, I volunteered to join VE for a night since they said I couldnt cut it in their group as it was described as a 'plug and play' environment. They refused because they fear FENGRUSH will prove everything said to be true.
Such is the life, carrying the weight of the name.
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Poxheart✭✭✭✭✭I'm pretty sure that Dragon Leap doesn't have a silence/root component to it (which is pretty ironic considering it's an ultimate). Yesterday I used the skill on somebody who was running away and he outran the knockdown and damage (wasn't even at max range when I activated the skill).Unsubbed and no longer playing, but still checking the Alliance War forum for the lulz.
Pox Dragon Knight
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FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm pretty sure that Dragon Leap doesn't have a silence/root component to it (which is pretty ironic considering it's an ultimate). Yesterday I used the skill on somebody who was running away and he outran the knockdown and damage (wasn't even at max range when I activated the skill).
This is exactly right - it gets avoided and all of that. The "fix" will be people are silenced/rooted/disabled for about .5seconds when you use leap on them. ZOS just doesnt know they have to fix it yet.0 -
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Those 20 others don't pretend to 'be ESO' while in reality being part of a niche that is currently not getting the attention it deserves.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
We need 20 other people to be ESO in this patch it would seem.
To be fair - FENGRUSH takes parts in many of the games aspects. The only exception is 24 man ball groups.
For demonstration, I volunteered to join VE for a night since they said I couldnt cut it in their group as it was described as a 'plug and play' environment. They refused because they fear FENGRUSH will prove everything said to be true.
Such is the life, carrying the weight of the name.
ISHAMMAEL wonders why FENGRUSH would simply not play with KHOLE.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Those 20 others don't pretend to 'be ESO' while in reality being part of a niche that is currently not getting the attention it deserves.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
We need 20 other people to be ESO in this patch it would seem.
To be fair - FENGRUSH takes parts in many of the games aspects. The only exception is 24 man ball groups.
For demonstration, I volunteered to join VE for a night since they said I couldnt cut it in their group as it was described as a 'plug and play' environment. They refused because they fear FENGRUSH will prove everything said to be true.
Such is the life, carrying the weight of the name.
ISHAMMAEL wonders why FENGRUSH would simply not play with KHOLE.
They dont do 24 ppl groups (at least last I checked).0 -
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Those 20 others don't pretend to 'be ESO' while in reality being part of a niche that is currently not getting the attention it deserves.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
We need 20 other people to be ESO in this patch it would seem.
To be fair - FENGRUSH takes parts in many of the games aspects. The only exception is 24 man ball groups.
For demonstration, I volunteered to join VE for a night since they said I couldnt cut it in their group as it was described as a 'plug and play' environment. They refused because they fear FENGRUSH will prove everything said to be true.
Such is the life, carrying the weight of the name.
ISHAMMAEL wonders why FENGRUSH would simply not play with KHOLE.
They dont do 24 ppl groups (at least last I checked).
Correct, they (we) don't. I didn't realize you wanted 24.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Those 20 others don't pretend to 'be ESO' while in reality being part of a niche that is currently not getting the attention it deserves.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
We need 20 other people to be ESO in this patch it would seem.
To be fair - FENGRUSH takes parts in many of the games aspects. The only exception is 24 man ball groups.
For demonstration, I volunteered to join VE for a night since they said I couldnt cut it in their group as it was described as a 'plug and play' environment. They refused because they fear FENGRUSH will prove everything said to be true.
Such is the life, carrying the weight of the name.
ISHAMMAEL wonders why FENGRUSH would simply not play with KHOLE.
They dont do 24 ppl groups (at least last I checked).
Correct, they (we) don't. I didn't realize you wanted 24.
Last time I grouped with K hole was pre IC - had moved to sewers almost fully until Orsinium released. They were only rolling like 8-12 then but I think more have joined since then.
Im trying to do the 24 person experience here - least amount of effort required for demonstration. Or is it... more????0 -
Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Those 20 others don't pretend to 'be ESO' while in reality being part of a niche that is currently not getting the attention it deserves.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
We need 20 other people to be ESO in this patch it would seem.
To be fair - FENGRUSH takes parts in many of the games aspects. The only exception is 24 man ball groups.
For demonstration, I volunteered to join VE for a night since they said I couldnt cut it in their group as it was described as a 'plug and play' environment. They refused because they fear FENGRUSH will prove everything said to be true.
Such is the life, carrying the weight of the name.
ISHAMMAEL wonders why FENGRUSH would simply not play with KHOLE.
They dont do 24 ppl groups (at least last I checked).
Correct, they (we) don't. I didn't realize you wanted 24.
Last time I grouped with K hole was pre IC - had moved to sewers almost fully until Orsinium released. They were only rolling like 8-12 then but I think more have joined since then.
Im trying to do the 24 person experience here - least amount of effort required for demonstration. Or is it... more????
I say you should msg Daniel and run w/ Chuck Norris.0 -
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »Teleport Strike, folks. Both morphs have no minimum cast distance and by now it's time to add it.
Or fix that stupid semi-stun.
Actually it is worst with ambush due to the empower buff, so no need to spam any othe skill
Lotus fan only snaresEdited by Xvorg on November 16, 2015 6:22PMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
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saiyan_84✭✭✭What good nightblade spams ambush as their main dps? none
the ONLY situation i spam ambush is chasing after mounted targets that would rather keep going then dismount and defend themselves.
Putting a minimum distance req on ambush is completely understandable but crying to take the the root out of ambush or any gap closer sounds like sour grapes to me. The root on gap closers is essential for any melee dps to do his job. If the roots on gap closers were gone then people will run out of melee range immediately after a gap closer has been used so you cant really call it a gap closer can you. Melee dps will be severely gimped. Theyd be forced to dedicate a skill on his/her bar that will slow/root an enemy along with already having his gap closer on the bar just to do any damage and if you think that is fair, tell any ranged dps to play with only 3 skills and an ultimate and see how well that will go over.
As for multiple people spamming their gap closers on you and preventing you from moving. Its happened to all of us and yes its sucks but that's just the nature of this game. There are no cool downs on skills and no real limit to how many people you choose to roll with. You died( THAT CAN HAPPEN YOU KNOW....TO ANYONE) respawn and get on with it.
The Kelly Gang
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Nayias AD Warden0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Those 20 others don't pretend to 'be ESO' while in reality being part of a niche that is currently not getting the attention it deserves.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It must be the other 3 people! Your powers combined, you are ESO!spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Lord FENGRUSH has employed disciples to carry the weight of the epeen.
We need 20 other people to be ESO in this patch it would seem.
To be fair - FENGRUSH takes parts in many of the games aspects. The only exception is 24 man ball groups.
For demonstration, I volunteered to join VE for a night since they said I couldnt cut it in their group as it was described as a 'plug and play' environment. They refused because they fear FENGRUSH will prove everything said to be true.
Such is the life, carrying the weight of the name.
ISHAMMAEL wonders why FENGRUSH would simply not play with KHOLE.
They dont do 24 ppl groups (at least last I checked).
Correct, they (we) don't. I didn't realize you wanted 24.
Last time I grouped with K hole was pre IC - had moved to sewers almost fully until Orsinium released. They were only rolling like 8-12 then but I think more have joined since then.
Im trying to do the 24 person experience here - least amount of effort required for demonstration. Or is it... more????
I say you should msg Daniel and run w/ Chuck Norris.
Be warned; you'll want copious amounts of pizza and wings at the end of raid call lol.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
- Guild-lead for MV
- Filthy Casual0 -
Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What good nightblade spams ambush as their main dps? none
the ONLY situation i spam ambush is chasing after mounted targets that would rather keep going then dismount and defend themselves.
Putting a minimum distance req on ambush is completely understandable but crying to take the the root out of ambush or any gap closer sounds like sour grapes to me. The root on gap closers is essential for any melee dps to do his job. If the roots on gap closers were gone then people will run out of melee range immediately after a gap closer has been used so you cant really call it a gap closer can you. Melee dps will be severely gimped. Theyd be forced to dedicate a skill on his/her bar that will slow/root an enemy along with already having his gap closer on the bar just to do any damage and if you think that is fair, tell any ranged dps to play with only 3 skills and an ultimate and see how well that will go over.
As for multiple people spamming their gap closers on you and preventing you from moving. Its happened to all of us and yes its sucks but that's just the nature of this game. There are no cool downs on skills and no real limit to how many people you choose to roll with. You died( THAT CAN HAPPEN YOU KNOW....TO ANYONE) respawn and get on with it.
Mate, ambush locks your bars up. I don't mind dying. That isn't the issue here. All gap closers mini-stun you. Ambush is a particular offender b/c it has to minimum range AND it doesn't allow you to move or fight back or escape. Its skill-less ***.1 -
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✭✭✭✭What good nightblade spams ambush as their main dps? none
the ONLY situation i spam ambush is chasing after mounted targets that would rather keep going then dismount and defend themselves.
Putting a minimum distance req on ambush is completely understandable but crying to take the the root out of ambush or any gap closer sounds like sour grapes to me. The root on gap closers is essential for any melee dps to do his job. If the roots on gap closers were gone then people will run out of melee range immediately after a gap closer has been used so you cant really call it a gap closer can you. Melee dps will be severely gimped. Theyd be forced to dedicate a skill on his/her bar that will slow/root an enemy along with already having his gap closer on the bar just to do any damage and if you think that is fair, tell any ranged dps to play with only 3 skills and an ultimate and see how well that will go over.
As for multiple people spamming their gap closers on you and preventing you from moving. Its happened to all of us and yes its sucks but that's just the nature of this game. There are no cool downs on skills and no real limit to how many people you choose to roll with. You died( THAT CAN HAPPEN YOU KNOW....TO ANYONE) respawn and get on with it.
Mate, ambush locks your bars up. I don't mind dying. That isn't the issue here. All gap closers mini-stun you. Ambush is a particular offender b/c it has to minimum range AND it doesn't allow you to move or fight back or escape. Its skill-less ***.
This is the analogy I use on my stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGdfxtEHbo
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✭✭✭✭What good nightblade spams ambush as their main dps? none
the ONLY situation i spam ambush is chasing after mounted targets that would rather keep going then dismount and defend themselves.
Putting a minimum distance req on ambush is completely understandable but crying to take the the root out of ambush or any gap closer sounds like sour grapes to me. The root on gap closers is essential for any melee dps to do his job. If the roots on gap closers were gone then people will run out of melee range immediately after a gap closer has been used so you cant really call it a gap closer can you. Melee dps will be severely gimped. Theyd be forced to dedicate a skill on his/her bar that will slow/root an enemy along with already having his gap closer on the bar just to do any damage and if you think that is fair, tell any ranged dps to play with only 3 skills and an ultimate and see how well that will go over.
As for multiple people spamming their gap closers on you and preventing you from moving. Its happened to all of us and yes its sucks but that's just the nature of this game. There are no cool downs on skills and no real limit to how many people you choose to roll with. You died( THAT CAN HAPPEN YOU KNOW....TO ANYONE) respawn and get on with it.
The meta has evolved as more and more people realized they could exploit the ministun by spamming the only spammable gap closer and it becomes a force multiplier when more people do it.
I'd much rather they increase the range slightly on gap closers to account for players moving out of range of it, or even freaking *tether* the player using the gap closer to the player who is moving away for the duration of the ministun but completely locking that player up while someone is gap-closing on them is just stupid and it breaks the fluidity of the combat.
It was a garbage solution to a real issue.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
Too Much Bolt Escape - banned for "hacking the game to create movement not otherwise permitted by in game mechanics."
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✭✭✭✭And given the damage levels you can reach with Stamina builds, spamming Ambush is nowhere near as useless as you'd think. Certainly not when backed up by a group. Hell, even mindlessly spamming Lotus Fan can work.0 -
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »And given the damage levels you can reach with Stamina builds, spamming Ambush is nowhere near as useless as you'd think. Certainly not when backed up by a group. Hell, even mindlessly spamming Lotus Fan can work.
This is, in fact, why it has become such a problem now. Even in heavy w/ ~25k hp, you're gonna drop in 3-4 hits since 1 or 2 is gonna crit.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Death's Wind for a temporary fix.
Anti-NB stam troll build:
Templar
Stack health
Destroy staff
Craft 4 ppc alessia 3 pc song of lamae.
CP into crit resistance and increased heavy armor
You should have enough armor to bring the 13k+ "NB ambush diarrhea" to 1.2k. WB spam on full buff with crit becomes 3.5k - 4k.
Once their burst rotation is spent, most NB's can't follow up.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Death's Wind for a temporary fix.
Anti-NB stam troll build:
Templar
Stack health
Destroy staff
Craft 4 ppc alessia 3 pc song of lamae.
CP into crit resistance and increased heavy armor
You should have enough armor to bring the 13k+ "NB ambush diarrhea" to 1.2k. WB spam on full buff with crit becomes 3.5k - 4k.
Once their burst rotation is spent, most NB's can't follow up.
Had 4 beating on me the other day, they were so focused on me they completely ignored the Sorc about to streak/proxy/dawnbreaker their asses. So funny.PC EU2 -
Rust_in_Peace✭✭✭✭✭If they do "fix" Ambush I hope they just make the CC from Ambush and Lotus Fan the same; as in giving Ambush the snare that Lotus fan has. I always felt the root was a bit much.
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I actually prefer the snare over the root, since the root just means free CC immunity while the snare means you are slooooow.Rust_in_Peace wrote: »If they do "fix" Ambush I hope they just make the CC from Ambush and Lotus Fan the same; as in giving Ambush the snare that Lotus fan has. I always felt the root was a bit much.
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That epeen has gotta be getting too big to handle on your own these days I bet?
