The Ambush Bug

Ishammael

The root/stun thing from spamming ambush (or any gap closer) is *** ***. Needs to be fixed.

Teargrants

Agreed, but it's not just ambush and it's not a bug. The root + silence effect exists for all gap closers, it's iust that ambush has no minimum range, so you notice it with it being spammed in your face endlessly.

This was a stealth change added in sometime around 1.4, the idea being that before gap closers would fail if the target moved out of cast range before it connected. With this root + silence, it is now impossible for the target to get out of range by moving or using skills.

This is one of the stupidest ways the 'problem' could have been addressed, but in ZOS's eyes it's a good solution. Of course now when you have a couple ambush spamming NBs on you you're just stuck there, maybe able to cast a skill every few sec. Used to be you could block and dodge roll, but ZOS did their best to nerf those defenses.

WTB better gameplay mechanics, PST.

Tomato

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Ishammael

Yeah, will full block cost redux, in heavy, with 1h/sh block costs like 2.3k stam. And I don't regen. Totally nonviable. Ridiculous stealth nerf.

Regardless, ambush is seen often because nightblade is by far the most populous class. Invisibility with highest dmg. Agrees, WTB better mechanics.

Ishammael

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Ezareth

Yeah having to deal with 4 nightblades who did nothing but spam ambush this weekend was nonsense. No other abilities used.

The gap closer lockdown needs fixed and the ministun added to ambush needs removed.

Ishammael

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah having to deal with 4 nightblades who did nothing but spam ambush this weekend was nonsense. No other abilities used.

The gap closer lockdown needs fixed and the ministun added to ambush needs removed.

I am starting to think half of all players in cyro are NBs

xylena

I am starting to think half of all players in cyro are NBs

bosmer NBs so they don't need to invest anything into stam regen, just build all damage all the time

WTB softcaps and racial balance

Psilent

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah having to deal with 4 nightblades who did nothing but spam ambush this weekend was nonsense. No other abilities used.

The gap closer lockdown needs fixed and the ministun added to ambush needs removed.

Had this happen on my Sorc a few weeks back. Had two Nightblades just Ambush spam me. Couldn't break free, streak, or move. Just sat there watching my health disappear.

Only thing I can do now is run defensive rune if I'm by myself, so one of the NB's get stunned and I can streak away...

Ezareth

Psilent wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah having to deal with 4 nightblades who did nothing but spam ambush this weekend was nonsense. No other abilities used.

The gap closer lockdown needs fixed and the ministun added to ambush needs removed.

Had this happen on my Sorc a few weeks back. Had two Nightblades just Ambush spam me. Couldn't break free, streak, or move. Just sat there watching my health disappear.

Only thing I can do now is run defensive rune if I'm by myself, so one of the NB's get stunned and I can streak away...

Yeah combat is such a sloppy bowl of garbage any more it's hard to tell whether the reason you can't use an ability is because of ambush lockdown or just the normal can't use an ability despite pressing it 3 times BS. Just quit a vMSA because I died after pressing a shield key 3 times to no effect. The performance issues in this game are not limited to Cyrodiil although it has it's own set of problems. PvE used to have the most enjoying combat to me because it performed flawlessly. Not any more.

Artemisshrikes

I thought this was a DCUO post

Poxheart

olsborg

Teargrants wrote: »

Agreed, but it's not just ambush and it's not a bug. The root + silence effect exists for all gap closers, it's iust that ambush has no minimum range, so you notice it with it being spammed in your face endlessly.

This was a stealth change added in sometime around 1.4, the idea being that before gap closers would fail if the target moved out of cast range before it connected. With this root + silence, it is now impossible for the target to get out of range by moving or using skills.

This is one of the stupidest ways the 'problem' could have been addressed, but in ZOS's eyes it's a good solution. Of course now when you have a couple ambush spamming NBs on you you're just stuck there, maybe able to cast a skill every few sec. Used to be you could block and dodge roll, but ZOS did their best to nerf those defenses.

WTB better gameplay mechanics, PST.

What he said.

RAGUNAnoOne

I do find this to be incredibly bs when I die more than half of the time it is ambush...

PS: @CrowsDescend I think you may want to take a look at this it is a much better explanation than I could ever muster.

Laggus

Particularly noticeable now with so many NBs. Getting locked down till death when full resources are available sucks.

Yuke

i would even prefer they fix this before they do something against the lag in cyro.

gap closer silence is the most *** thing that ever existed in the whole *** history of pvp games. In other games silence has like a 43289732947923 minute cooldown because it is so *** strong and in this piece of crap game you can *** spam it with a gap closer + damage component.

get your *** *** together zos

Cinnamon_Spider

I was playing my lowbie on BWB tonight and found myself in the middle of a stealthed garbage group. I was feared and then immediately hit repeatedly with Ambush, so I could not break out of fear. This BS has to stop. Something needs to be changed with gap closers, especially Ambush.

MrGrimey

Why not call it the "gap closer bug"?

Having a less bias title may get more support

Derra

Artemisshrikes wrote: »

I thought this was a DCUO post

Lesson learned yesterday for me: Never try to complete vMSA on a sunday early evening. Abilities not firing after multiple keypresses for whatever reason (when not cced) is the worst.

Wollust

While it happens with every gap closer, it's especially annoying with ambush, simply because it can be spammed into their faces which is not possible with all the other gap closer. It would help already if they would give ambush a higher minimum range. What is it now? 3.5m or so?
It wouldn't solve the problem itself, but kinda help a bit.

Raizin

Ishammael wrote: »

Swiift wrote: »

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Lava_Croft

Teleport Strike, folks. Both morphs have no minimum cast distance and by now it's time to add it.

Or fix that stupid semi-stun.

SoulScream

This needs fixing!!!

Minno

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Teleport Strike, folks. Both morphs have no minimum cast distance and by now it's time to add it.

Or fix that stupid semi-stun.

And if that doesn't work, they can take my Templar's extra GDC on my toppling charge., free of charge.

Galalin

MrGrimey wrote: »

Why not call it the "gap closer bug"?

Having a less bias title may get more support

Because other gap closer have a min distance and that means you cant spam it

DK SCRUB OUT

Kutsuu

IMO, the proper solution to the gap closer issue was NOT to add this mini stun/root. They were trying to solve too many issues at once, and went about it incorrectly.

The primary issue that needed some work was that people would move away after you actuated a gap closer, often resulting in it not fully closing a gap and the player not being able to capitalize on the CC which that gap closer had (if any). This was incredibly frustrating as a melee build because a decent player could just permanently kite you, and the forums were alight with whining. At the time, they were *also* trying to make streak less overpowered. Streak was faster than gap closers (both in activation and movement speed) and thus you could try spamming gap closers on a steak spammer but you'd never catch up and would fall behind after 2-3 streaks. *Someone* came up with the idea to add this hidden silence/immobilize which would cover both cases without any real work on their side, and somehow it made it into the game... and stayed in the game.

They should have handled streak independently, and eventually did so. As for not reaching your target with gap closers, the mechanics needed a rework. Some combination of homing in on your target instead of the location that they were when the gap closer started, plus faster animations on gap closers would have probably been good enough to make gap closers work pretty smoothly.

edit: to be fair, I do believe ambush needs a minimum range regardless of any solution to other issues.

Docmandu

Ishammael wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah having to deal with 4 nightblades who did nothing but spam ambush this weekend was nonsense. No other abilities used.

The gap closer lockdown needs fixed and the ministun added to ambush needs removed.

I am starting to think half of all players in cyro are NBs

Only Half?! Damn I'm moving to NA !!!

Docmandu

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Teleport Strike, folks. Both morphs have no minimum cast distance and by now it's time to add it.

Or fix that stupid semi-stun.

'Or' => 'And' !

Molag_Crow

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I do find this to be incredibly bs when I die more than half of the time it is ambush...

PS: @CrowsDescend I think you may want to take a look at this it is a much better explanation than I could ever muster.

Ahh thanks for the heads up and yeah this is the bug I was talking about and I confused myself to the point where I called it Ambush then Surprise Attack then brought Ambush back because I weren't sure what was causing it but it definitely is messed up, either that alone or gap closers in general.

FENGRUSH

All of FENGRUSHs big complaints on podcast make their way to the forums. FENGRUSH approved.

_Chaos

FENGRUSH wrote: »

All of FENGRUSHs big complaints on podcast make their way to the forums. FENGRUSH approved.

Yeah, cause this is the first time this has been brought up on the forums, and it's all thanks to you That epeen has gotta be getting too big to handle on your own these days I bet?