camo hunter double-proc insta-kills (multiple images)

Wollust

I really do not mind instakill methods. As long as I know the player built completely around the instakill forsaking everything else. Which is not the case with camo hunter. My sustain nightblade can pull the heavyattack+surpriseattack combination off with 3.3k weapondamage and 29k stamina. 40k damage in a split second. That's just ridiculous. I even did it in heavy armor with sword and shield and 3k weapondamage. Just HA surprise attack bash was enough to instakill a vampire. That means that more or less everyone who has access to camo hunter can pull the instakill off, and that is definitely not healthy for the game.

Angarato

the double proc is a big issue. if it single procs it would be fine, still very strong but fine. (if not theres no reason not to be a vampire)

for the record im someone using camo hunter and im not a vampire

Gunphu

Master_Kas wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Gunphu wrote: »

If you read the tooltip it says 100% chance for 5 fiqure damage from stealth and a % to do 4 fiqure damage. Meaning it can hit you twice and why one number is always substantially smaller than the other. The larger number always happens from stealth and the smaller one can happen any attack. This why it shows up twice. It has nothing to do with duel wield. One of your screen shots shows what im talking about with a bow heavy attack.

Evil hunter only gives the chance for 1 proc for 4 figure tooltip damage and why you only ever see one proc of it on your death tooltip.

So basically you're asking for them to completely change the morph. OR you can just not be a vamp. I garuntee constant one shots even if they make it a stealth only proc. as per your first screen shot. A good DB of smiting can one shot some vamps.


Just realized this was stated multiple times.

Wrong on one part;
Heavy dw attack from sneak on vamp player will always get 2x the proc of the "100% xxxxx bonus damage on undead from sneak".

Can show you videos of it, and no it's not one smaller + one bigger.

FTC says the same damage Lets say 4.7k (X2)

Same can be Done with focused aim + ambush, or focused aim+silver shards/poison inj.

Tough you need to time it right so both counts as a stealth hit.

Heavy DW attacks always does this tough since it's instant and counts as two attacks.

I get some clips and PM You Link tomorrow if you have Any doubts.

FTC is a horrible indicator here as it only displays the first proc dmg value und stack all "same named" (regarding its attack DB- attacks within a given time frame) and it does not even differ between the two proc names....
use CLS in this regard and you´ll see that the double proc on DW is allways (atleast for me) the guaranteed proc + the 15% chance proc on the off hand. and because of that behaviour it does not allways double proc. (as you aswell can see by the pics in this thread.)

They show as diffrent / separate procs on death recaps. Take a look at the second , and the last picture.

The one with the heavy DW attack states 12k+ damage, which is from two procs of the 100% from sneak on undead.

How can you explain then that I always get 2 proccs of camo hunter with heavy DW attack on vamps?

Not 100% + 15% , that wouldn't procc two times all the time on vamps.

When I do this with my bow it often fails thanks to both hits not landing at the same time and results in one proc, sometimes another with lower damage.

With DW heavy attack its always doubleproc on vamps, no exceptions (unless they run RML aka I cannot sneak near them).

And they both do the same damage (this I see with CLS. :P

Anyway I find it very annoying since my main is a vamp, and I think it deserves to get looked at atleast. They wanted to remove the fast TTK that was in 1.6, then this shouln't be possible even vs vamps.

@Master_Kas The tooltip on the 100% proc says way over 10k damage with any decent build. 12k for a crit is normal and can hit much higher. I could be wrong but sincerly think that is not 2 procs and is just one. With duel wield or 2H a single heavy attack can insta kill vamps from stealth. Maybe CH is just and it pains me to say this as I hate nerfs...OP. Maybe its as simple as the damage is a tad too high in pvp.

Ive been and now do 1 shot people with either DW or 2H as I change my build every couple days and cant really notice the difference.

GreenSoup2HoT

Radiant Mage Light. Im a vampire and with this slotted to this day have not been one shot. Half health yes but i can still heal and react.

I don't really mind it. I use camo hunter myself to hunt vampires. If they don't want to use RML and not sneak around with the increased sneak speed they deserve to die.

The only thing that should be able to double proc is duel wield heavy attacks. Why? Duel wield heavy attacks are weak as hell and hardly benefit from the stealth multiplier. This is still very effective against vampires with the double proc. HOWEVER, RML makes using a heavy attack with DW from stealth impossible on a vampire which counters it.

In my testings at least, Wrecking Blow and snipe do a little bit less damage then the DW double proc. They only proc camo hunter once but hit very hard and benefit from the stealth multiplier to almost compare to DW heavy attacks. I believe that DW to be better then these 2 but harder to execute. They are also easy to counter with just RML.

My issue with 2/2+ procs and camo hunter is when you use a bow with igneous weapons combo. You can benefit off the stealth multiplier a lot more compared to a DW HA. Your bow will hit as hard as wrecking blow or snipe and still double proc. Something DW double proc does not do.


So i say keep DW double proc and make it so everything else only proc's once. DW HA double proc is pretty much the same as 1 proc with wrecking blow and snipe. So i see no need to remove it.

Instagib builds are fine if you build for it. Once i get found im dead myself. High risk High Reward kinda playstyle. The fact im using DW daggers makes it even harder to land. I need to be right ontop of my opponents back. If there are any vamps with RML i have to look for someone else.

Master_Kas

Gunphu wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Gunphu wrote: »

If you read the tooltip it says 100% chance for 5 fiqure damage from stealth and a % to do 4 fiqure damage. Meaning it can hit you twice and why one number is always substantially smaller than the other. The larger number always happens from stealth and the smaller one can happen any attack. This why it shows up twice. It has nothing to do with duel wield. One of your screen shots shows what im talking about with a bow heavy attack.

Evil hunter only gives the chance for 1 proc for 4 figure tooltip damage and why you only ever see one proc of it on your death tooltip.

So basically you're asking for them to completely change the morph. OR you can just not be a vamp. I garuntee constant one shots even if they make it a stealth only proc. as per your first screen shot. A good DB of smiting can one shot some vamps.


Just realized this was stated multiple times.

Wrong on one part;
Heavy dw attack from sneak on vamp player will always get 2x the proc of the "100% xxxxx bonus damage on undead from sneak".

Can show you videos of it, and no it's not one smaller + one bigger.

FTC says the same damage Lets say 4.7k (X2)

Same can be Done with focused aim + ambush, or focused aim+silver shards/poison inj.

Tough you need to time it right so both counts as a stealth hit.

Heavy DW attacks always does this tough since it's instant and counts as two attacks.

I get some clips and PM You Link tomorrow if you have Any doubts.

FTC is a horrible indicator here as it only displays the first proc dmg value und stack all "same named" (regarding its attack DB- attacks within a given time frame) and it does not even differ between the two proc names....
use CLS in this regard and you´ll see that the double proc on DW is allways (atleast for me) the guaranteed proc + the 15% chance proc on the off hand. and because of that behaviour it does not allways double proc. (as you aswell can see by the pics in this thread.)

They show as diffrent / separate procs on death recaps. Take a look at the second , and the last picture.

The one with the heavy DW attack states 12k+ damage, which is from two procs of the 100% from sneak on undead.

How can you explain then that I always get 2 proccs of camo hunter with heavy DW attack on vamps?

Not 100% + 15% , that wouldn't procc two times all the time on vamps.

When I do this with my bow it often fails thanks to both hits not landing at the same time and results in one proc, sometimes another with lower damage.

With DW heavy attack its always doubleproc on vamps, no exceptions (unless they run RML aka I cannot sneak near them).

And they both do the same damage (this I see with CLS. :P

Anyway I find it very annoying since my main is a vamp, and I think it deserves to get looked at atleast. They wanted to remove the fast TTK that was in 1.6, then this shouln't be possible even vs vamps.

@Master_Kas The tooltip on the 100% proc says way over 10k damage with any decent build. 12k for a crit is normal and can hit much higher. I could be wrong but sincerly think that is not 2 procs and is just one. With duel wield or 2H a single heavy attack can insta kill vamps from stealth. Maybe CH is just and it pains me to say this as I hate nerfs...OP. Maybe its as simple as the damage is a tad too high in pvp.

Ive been and now do 1 shot people with either DW or 2H as I change my build every couple days and cant really notice the difference.

Yes it say over 10k for mine aswell, but remember the 50% dmg debuff from Battlespirit.

The tooltip doesn't include that damage reduction

Alcast

The Issue is not camohunter. The issue is:

All attacks that hit in a range of 0.49s out of stealth do count as stealth PROC and therefore will unleash the power of several Camo Stealth procs.

Xeniph

Alcast wrote: »

The Issue is not camohunter. The issue is:

All attacks that hit in a range of 0.49s out of stealth do count as stealth PROC and therefore will unleash the power of several Camo Stealth procs.

I regularly animation cancel my HA's from stealth with various abilities and have never gotten 2 "Camo" procs from stealth.

According to Recount my numbers reflect one "Camo" proc and one "Hunter" proc. 8-10k and 3-6k respectively.