Maelstrom 2H sword in current state is a joke compared to 2H fire staff

BuggeX

wath have Cyro Pop or Alliance Balance with a Sword to do?

but you know how the map looked when i got online?
we recaptured allesia from reds
we recaptured roe from blues
we fought both sites at the same time at ash and brk
we turned emp
our last Goal where the scrolls, but you got all 4, so wath do you think is our Primary target?
ofc its arrius, i cant help, but when ep is capturing both blue scrolls when AD is prop dropping the blue emp at ash, and prop also turning a yellow on, wath do you think is the fight going?

one blue scroll where at kingscrest and one in arrius, cmon do you rly wonder why EP is getting crushed by DC and AD?


but to go back to Topic,

this is the old master 2h and i have to say this is even worse in pvp than the new mealstorm

Baragorath

BuggeX wrote: »

wath have Cyro Pop or Alliance Balance with a Sword to do?

but you know how the map looked when i got online?
we recaptured allesia from reds
we recaptured roe from blues
we fought both sites at the same time at ash and brk
we turned emp
our last Goal where the scrolls, but you got all 4, so wath do you think is our Primary target?
ofc its arrius, i cant help, but when ep is capturing both blue scrolls when AD is prop dropping the blue emp at ash, and prop also turning a yellow on, wath do you think is the fight going?

one blue scroll where at kingscrest and one in arrius, cmon do you rly wonder why EP is getting crushed by DC and AD?


but to go back to Topic,

this is the old master 2h and i have to say this is even worse in pvp than the new mealstorm

Maelstorm Weapons have to buff character by using 2nd skill in weapon tree and in actual mode I dont see Maelstorm 2H Sword to be PVP or PVE must be weapon as it was with Master Weapons.

I play stamina 2h sword on pvp in one of my bars and it for sure will not be my must to have weapon.

Still will use my 2H Hunding Rage with choosen trait and enchantment and not in need to rush for this useless gadget.

BuggeX

And i was thinking to run Stamina with the 2h mealstorm, 5x Briarheart, x3 Agility and x2 bloodspwan or molag kena.

Joy_Division

Is this thread a joke?

2H Maelstrom -augments a skill people will actually use.

Inferno Maelstrom - augments this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJJb863umd4

I noticed the OP didnt have a problem when the weapons were:

BuggeX

wow even health regen can outheal woe xD

OrphanHelgen

heavy attack with a shock staff while every mob are affected with the wall of elements.
Stronk.
Funny how everyone are still stuck at 1,5 fire staff meta.

Strider_Roshin

As a 2H stamina user, I think it's fine just where it is.

Baragorath

Joy_Division wrote: »

Is this thread a joke?

2H Maelstrom -augments a skill people will actually use.

Inferno Maelstrom - augments this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJJb863umd4

I noticed the OP didnt have a problem when the weapons were:

This weapon will be in use only with one right trait otherwise is just a gadget for skill players.

That is why those weapons with weak augments are waste of time to farm.

430 dmg in pvp per sec for 5 sec - perfect for time spent to get it with good trait.

Dracane

I suppose, this is a joke thread, right ?
Maelstrom staves are a joke. Requires you to use the weakest ability in the game...
2handed only requires you to use an ability, that is used by pretty much everyone holding a 2 handed weapon.
Magicka users need to keep their target in this AoE field, while 2 handed fighters only need to charge every 5 seconds and good. Which they would be doing anyway.



I cannot agree.

CP5

BuggeX wrote: »

wow even health regen can outheal woe xD

How have I not seen this, Wall Of Elements. WOE, woe to those who use this skill then..

Asmael

BuggeX wrote: »

wow even health regen can outheal woe xD

It's actually worst than that. Get enough CPs to:
- Reduce damage for element effects
- Reduce damage from crits
- Reduce damage from DoTs
- Get the Persistant passive (to heal you on crit)

...And you might actually be able to heal your enemies by using WoE. Had someone using a poisoned weapon on me, ticking me for a "crazy" 80 damage, while healing me for 176 at the same time.

Scyantific

Jeckll wrote: »

Dont know what's the issue. Noone uses Wall of Elements in PvP and noone uses Crit Rush in group PvE. Both Skill Alternations have specific uses but in reality, these weapons are used for the extra Weapon - and Spell Damage they provide.

Lmao you must not group with 2h stamina sorcs in PvE then. Crit rush is a guaranteed heal and a good opener.

asneakybanana

Baragorath wrote: »

In current form Maelstorm 2H sword become not competive to 2H fire staff.

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@ZOS please change it to state of 2H fire staff with Heavy/Light attacks doing extra damage or it will be completely not competive weapon.

For example:

Magicka user using rotation Heavy attack -> skill -> Heavy attack -> skill or Light Attack -> skill -> Light Attack -> skill in period of 5 second will have higher dps output then 2H sword users.

Additionally 2H charge ability requires movement away from enemy.

Magicka users dont have to do anything to have this extra damage while stamina users have to look on cooldown and need to make distance to use charge.

I ask all 2H stamina users to support my petition.

Thank you in advance.

Just so you know 2h will still actually give more dps. Wall of Elements lasts for 6 seconds and on average a weave takes 1.5 seconds so you get 4 light/ heavy attacks in during that one blockade cast which comes out to 4.1k damage while the 2h comes out to 4.3k damage so they are actually both really close but 2h is slightly higher in an #s perspective. Also that doesn't take into account the base skill damage which crit rush is higher. So all in all they are actually pretty close in damage but 2h is situ higher.

Flattedfifth

2H user here. The thing has a Dot AND 189 extra weapon damage... To say it needs a buff it's a bit disingenuous at best.

Kaliki

Seems everyone but the OP agrees that Maelstrom Staves are still bad.

From what I've seen the bonus damage to L/H attacks has been tripled, and still it is bad.

Simple, crude math:
How many light attacks can be weaved in the 8 Seconds? Lets say one every 1.5 seconds and we would get around 5, so around 5k damage. And for how much damage does WoE tick? 400 maximum if I remember correctly. 6400 dmg for one cast after 8 seconds.

So you get less than a whopping 12k damage for casting WoE – if your target doesn't move and stays in the whole duration.
Lightning Splash does more than twice as much without any bonus to light attacks.

Also, as pointed out before many times: what logic is it to give bonus damage to mostly single target attacks upon casting an AoE ability? The logic behind Maestrom staves eludes me.

Daveheart

The Master 2H wasn't desireable for it's ability buff. It was a 1 piece weapon damage boost, and so is this. Same goes for the Staff (though it might makes sense for DK's in PvE). It doesn't matter what ability either of these buffs; they're still superior to any other staff in most gear loadouts.

Wollust

Well, I could imagine the staff to be used by DKs, as molten armaments is not useful anymore with medium weaving. Might be a nice damage increase for the class that has the highest DPS anyway
Anyway, current high end magicka DPS builds have an open slot as far as I know, so the staff is useful with or without the wall of elements effect.

The 2h is just sad. 4k Damage? It's not as if someone uses it in competitive PVE, and in PVP it will be even halfed. Put that together with resistance and cp reductions and you have a dot that can hardly kill a rat.
At least the weapon damage bonus is useful. Even though I'd actually like to equip maelstrom weapons for their primary, ability altering effect and not for bonus weapon/spelldamage.

CP5

Just want to put this here, but some testing I did earlier (would love people to double check this) showed that the shock staff's channel procs the bonus per tick on the initial target. With all the damage numbers and by forgetting to turn on cls I couldn't check if this bonus damage was also applied to nearby enemies. But get a good stack of enemies, and if this procs on the channel's aoe you could have some decent damage.

Dracane

CP5 wrote: »

Just want to put this here, but some testing I did earlier (would love people to double check this) showed that the shock staff's channel procs the bonus per tick on the initial target. With all the damage numbers and by forgetting to turn on cls I couldn't check if this bonus damage was also applied to nearby enemies. But get a good stack of enemies, and if this procs on the channel's aoe you could have some decent damage.

It should apply to all ticks of this staff, undaunted weaver does the same. I actually expected this.
I am not sure, but I think the channel no longer deals damage to nearby enemies, only the final shock bolt.

CP5

Dracane wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Just want to put this here, but some testing I did earlier (would love people to double check this) showed that the shock staff's channel procs the bonus per tick on the initial target. With all the damage numbers and by forgetting to turn on cls I couldn't check if this bonus damage was also applied to nearby enemies. But get a good stack of enemies, and if this procs on the channel's aoe you could have some decent damage.

It should apply to all ticks of this staff, undaunted weaver does the same. I actually expected this.
I am not sure, but I think the channel no longer deals damage to nearby enemies, only the final shock bolt.

I'll try to double check that next time i'm on pts, though I did hear that is likely a bug.