IC Destroyed a friendship but it was mostly my fault for promoting it.

Nighn_9

Well this is a close quarter type area where an entire zerg can run around killing players that are by themselves r with a few players... the whole area is not safe what so ever

Nighn_9

Zergs should have to stay in big areas like Cyrodiil where it still takes awhile to get around.

Tryxus

Nighn_9 wrote: »

Zergs should have to stay in big areas like Cyrodiil where it still takes awhile to get around.

or maybe if ZOS makes a few IC campaigns (starting out in your own Alliance Sewer base, no access to the rest of Cyrodiil) with a group limitation

Critchfest

That's not a friendship just some random guy who is on a digital list and logs in to the same server. Anyway, IC is disappointing. The mechanics of it are wrong and overly brutal. I get that this mishmash of pvp and pve have been designed in such a way that if you don't do certain things at certain times you are more than likely going to be punished for it. That is fine if the balance is right, but gaming is supposed to be fun, rewarding, challenging and enjoyable. IC is not hitting those marks. Players are diving into IC, thinking this is good at the start and then it goes horribly wrong and they never set foot in the damn place again. That's not how perpetual PvP should be. It's a game. Dirty tricks, dishonourable game play, and my-gang-is-bigger-than-your-gang mentality makes it only fun for a select few players and not the playerbase at large. Basically, IC pvp is not an improvement over Cyrodiil.

TheShadowScout

If a "friendship" gets ruined over IC, it wasn't a friendship. Period.

If people get vexed over loosing all their stones to a zerg... or a powerful solo ganker... or whatever... yeah, that crap happens. Its Imperial City. IC was advertised as gankfest PvP central right from the start. Why would anyone assume they wouldn't get overganked by zergs or professional player killers???
Only thing to do, whenever you have a good amount of stones, bloodport to your base and bank those remaining 90%. Only way to be sure.

I found, the best way to enjoy IC is not to worry about any stones or getting ganked... but instead focus on the expees and occasional "deconstruct for V16 material" drop. And if you manage to bank some TV stones despite all the ganking... bonus! Also, the district missions pay out in stone bags... those are practically gank-proof TV stone gains. Slower going then all the supergankers, true, but... even us casuals can get to a good stone pile in time.

thunderwell

Your "friend" sounded like one of those "friends with benefits or no friend at all" types.
As for losing a bunch of stones...
This is one reason why I'm not ever touching IC.
Working hard for stones just to have them taken away by a zerg party is 100% stupid mechanic.
The other reason I won't ever buy IC (or have a membership) is because of the zergs.
Dying in PvP is expected, but the zergs are out of hand by what I keep hearing.

MrTtheDK

So I play on AD NA and there are consistently pick up zerg groups not associated with any guild. Considering that I dont feel an issue with IC not being casual friendly. You get rolled by zergs being a casual or not. Its part of the game and always has. Your mate is being childish. After all its only a game and the real treasure is the trophies anyways.

Jennifur_Vultee

Imperial City is pretty much a grind for everyone in know...
they grind mobs to collect gear to breal down for materials...
they grind for telvar stones to but armor or materials...
they grind for the purple drops to use in the loot chest...
they grind for quest acheivments...

Only the nightblades seem to truly like playing in the Imperial City because its a gankers paradise.

As I tell my friends when they first enter the city...the rules are simple, "Zerg, gank or die."

timidobserver

DaveTheMinion wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

":was time to head back and hand in our stuff"

^At this point in your story you should have either let a mob kill you(you lose less stones) or used a port stone if you had the AP to buy them.

Yeah, I have to say your right on that, but I never expected there to be a group of 20+ waiting near our door, the shocking part was they stayed there for over an hour. I would post the video but I have no knowledge about how you hide players names, so easier not to post, the sad part was where the guy sent me a message thanking me for all my stones B@s..d I did try and convince my buddy that it's not always this bad but I think his pain threshold had been passed.

Yeh, for someone new to IC it would be hard to know, but once you have been there a while you always expect a group of 20+ around any corner. Once you've reached an amount of stones that you are not comfortable losing, port stone or npc death spawn back at the base.

Scyantific

teladoy wrote: »

This game is not for casuals, end of the story.

Or you belong to a big group or you are with the innocent fools that walk around unprotected... Hahaha.

Dude this game is like Casual Central.

imredneckson

DaveTheMinion wrote: »

I finally convinced a mate to buy IC, we joined a group of about 9 other players, started our journey through the sewers, killed a few bosses, and collected a nice little bunch of stones, mate was having a good time, or so he said? anyway we decided that we had enough stones and crap that we picked up it was time to head back and hand in our stuff, about 5 foot from the door to our safe zone, bang!!! about 20+ group appear out of nowhere and all those lovely stones gone, I release and go back through the door to try and defend our area, dead as I spawn, tried again, dead.... this went on for nearly an hour, I advised my buddy that we could try to do some IC quests, went up a ladder, jumped down managed to get to that poster you burn, started fighting a group of NCP and we get jumped by a big group, tried again, but this time we were dead before we reached the poster.

Long story short, mate accused me of convincing him that this IC was worth the effort and has now deleted me from his FL???

IC is great for groups, but casuals and gamers who struggle to find guilds that are still going strong will definitely suffer in IC, the idea of having all that hard work collecting stones to have 90% of them taken from you in one death just doesn't feel worth it, but hey I can live with that, what I don't get is every group you join lately just wants to hang out in spawn areas and camp! that's not how I like to play but feel I cannot go solo, surely there has to be a better way of collecting stones and still hanging onto them after a death, if your not near a safe zone, you loose most of them as it is now, but if your close to a safe zone you loose less?

I'm sure my mate will get over his frustration and eventually come back, but I do get where he is coming from... if you read this Sorry buddy!

That's why most carry a sigil of imperial retreat so we can just port back and not worry about campers

BaldusMageezack

Stones really aren't a big deal. Honestly the sets they can buy are not what i use so i just use them to buy mats which i can get more deconstructing drops. He should take the time to realize he lost digital trash comparable to a candy wrapper

Dymence

That's not what you call a friend, that's what you would call an acquaintance.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

That stone loot game element in IC is probably the biggest reason for the failure of the expansion. Without it a lot more people would actually bother to go in there and make pvp worthwhile.

Player to player loot always bring out the worst elements of gaming and it is destructive to any social game like ESO is.

McGordon

Sorry, but your friend is rhe biggest pvp problem here. I hate new generation player who are afraid to lose staff because they ar bad at pvp. Only the players who have ever player Ultima Online will understand me. That was the best pvp game, where skill was important then armor.

Qyrk

Just woke up
see this thread
Expecting the usual.
Not one bit disappointed.

People quitting over how the game should be played? You lose some you win some. Get over yourself. That just means you never had a friend in the first place.

Uneed2Stop

Egonieser wrote: »

Might just be a ragequit scenario, done that myself. Though i never took out that frustration on others, i just quickly and gracefully tap alt-f4 and go drink a coffee and play GTA San Andreas on my tablet to chill, then come back later on. Something tells me if he dumped a friendship over a silly pixel death and stones, it wasn't really a friendship to begin with. Friends commemorate in glory and commiserate in defeat together, not have a go at you and leave you.

I agree dude. I think he was being a puss puss. Man up and go get more stones lol. Back in runescape days when the wildy was still a thing people would lose EVERYTHING they had. And they would keep playing and try again and again

Tholian1

I can't blame your friend for getting frustrated. Spawn camping is the lowest of the low in my opinion. ZOS should have known better when designing IC. Hopefully consoles will get campaigns with gated access soon. Maybe that will be less of a problem when/if that happens.

RAGUNAnoOne

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

The spawn camping thing in the IC has way less to do with trying to be a jerk than it does with people just looking to battle someone. So many people in this game refuse to want to fight in PVP it's maddening. I guested into Haderus yesterday and was forced to camp the Daggerfall IC Arena spawn because 50 DC and AD were just hanging out having a 1 on 1 fight club on the Arena doorstep. I'm all for a good duel but the Arena doorstep is NOT the right place for it. I don't regret aggroing Immolator Char into them at all.

Keep your interfaction duels in the Cyrodiil wilderness!

there is an actual achievement for killing enemy players inside the arena why not fight in there?

F7sus4

You know you can buy a guaranteed retreat item for 10k AP at Tel Var merchant? Worth using once you have a significant amount of stones on your character and are afraid of getting ***.

RAGUNAnoOne

F7sus4 wrote: »

You know you can buy a guaranteed retreat item for 10k AP at Tel Var merchant? Worth using once you have a significant amount of stones on your character and are afraid of getting ***.

well, what if you aren't an AP farmer? seriously the price seems a bit steep for such an essential item I wish they had the option to buy it with gold.

F7sus4

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

well, what if you aren't an AP farmer? seriously the price seems a bit steep for such an essential item I wish they had the option to buy it with gold.

So getting 10k AP now requires farming, interesting. You know the new motifs would require approx. 4,2m AP in the forthcoming patch to complete? This is AP farming.

Alucardo

DaveTheMinion wrote: »

I'm sure my mate will get over his frustration and eventually come back, but I do get where he is coming from... if you read this Sorry buddy!

Also if you're reading this, stop treating your friends like dirt over a game, especially good ones like this guy obviously is. You're garbage and should feel ashamed.

Resipsa131

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Shockingly the whole let other players loot all your stuff isnt working out. Just like I said it wouldnt. Feels good to be vindicated by all these posts. PVP people hate IC. PVE people hate IC. But hey zenimax doesnt bother listening to its players they just do whatever. Many games have tried open looting and not one of them is considered AA much less AAA. I guess the only one I can think of even remotely successful is EVE. Once Orsinium comes out the zergs will have to turn on themselves because noone will be left.

I love IC and I'm a pve player, I love killing bosses collecting tel car stones and evading Gank squads. I love getting messages that call me names for cutting and running if they only knew how many stones they could have collected.

Also if you are farming stones you'll collect the recall sigil stones from drops I have several

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Resipsa131 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Shockingly the whole let other players loot all your stuff isnt working out. Just like I said it wouldnt. Feels good to be vindicated by all these posts. PVP people hate IC. PVE people hate IC. But hey zenimax doesnt bother listening to its players they just do whatever. Many games have tried open looting and not one of them is considered AA much less AAA. I guess the only one I can think of even remotely successful is EVE. Once Orsinium comes out the zergs will have to turn on themselves because noone will be left.

I love IC and I'm a pve player, I love killing bosses collecting tel car stones and evading Gank squads. I love getting messages that call me names for cutting and running if they only knew how many stones they could have collected.

Also if you are farming stones you'll collect the recall sigil stones from drops I have several

I wont be collecting anything. I havent paid for iC. Will never pay for IC. The concept is terrible as proven by how widely hated it is. Only people who enjoy zergs and ganking people who cannot fight back easily (like the OP and his buddy) enjoy it. Luckily I dont have to pay any monthly fee and I dont need IC to progress. I havent paid a dime since the b2p switch. Still have all the free crowns too.

UltimaJoe777

Rage makes people... do things.

magnusthorek

I would really like to know why ZOS doesn't respect the other share of players that simply don't care about PvP and just like to explore delves and dungeons but are unable to because every single time a different alliance is dominating the whole place or camping, waiting for someone of a different allaince pass to one-shot him/her.

I'm one of these players that rather have a good time fighting an enemy NPC in a cave, collecting skyshards and books/notes but I'm unable to cross Cyrodiil because Ebonheart Pact and their almost immortal DragonKnights don't let me walk around.

timidobserver

magnusthorek wrote: »

I would really like to know why ZOS doesn't respect the other share of players that simply don't care about PvP and just like to explore delves and dungeons but are unable to because every single time a different alliance is dominating the whole place or camping, waiting for someone of a different allaince pass to one-shot him/her.

I'm one of these players that rather have a good time fighting an enemy NPC in a cave, collecting skyshards and books/notes but I'm unable to cross Cyrodiil because Ebonheart Pact and their almost immortal DragonKnights don't let me walk around.

They respect you enough to release an entire update in a few weeks with nothing but content designed to be soloed, which is pretty amazing/strange for MMO. You shouldn't be complaining.

Resipsa131

Resipsa131 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Shockingly the whole let other players loot all your stuff isnt working out. Just like I said it wouldnt. Feels good to be vindicated by all these posts. PVP people hate IC. PVE people hate IC. But hey zenimax doesnt bother listening to its players they just do whatever. Many games have tried open looting and not one of them is considered AA much less AAA. I guess the only one I can think of even remotely successful is EVE. Once Orsinium comes out the zergs will have to turn on themselves because noone will be left.

I love IC and I'm a pve player, I love killing bosses collecting tel car stones and evading Gank squads. I love getting messages that call me names for cutting and running if they only knew how many stones they could have collected.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Resipsa131 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Shockingly the whole let other players loot all your stuff isnt working out. Just like I said it wouldnt. Feels good to be vindicated by all these posts. PVP people hate IC. PVE people hate IC. But hey zenimax doesnt bother listening to its players they just do whatever. Many games have tried open looting and not one of them is considered AA much less AAA. I guess the only one I can think of even remotely successful is EVE. Once Orsinium comes out the zergs will have to turn on themselves because noone will be left.

I love IC and I'm a pve player, I love killing bosses collecting tel car stones and evading Gank squads. I love getting messages that call me names for cutting and running if they only knew how many stones they could have collected.

Also if you are farming stones you'll collect the recall sigil stones from drops I have several

I wont be collecting anything. I havent paid for iC. Will never pay for IC. The concept is terrible as proven by how widely hated it is. Only people who enjoy zergs and ganking people who cannot fight back easily (like the OP and his buddy) enjoy it. Luckily I dont have to pay any monthly fee and I dont need IC to progress. I havent paid a dime since the b2p switch. Still have all the free crowns too.

This is patently untrue, I don't pvp but enjoy IC for the above stated reasons. I love collecting stones with the added danger of getting ganked, who cares if you lost a few hundred stones I lost about 4 K today but earned about 20k and actually took 1500 off a guy that attacked me and got his stamina burnt up breaking out of fear and other CC then it's running him down and burning up his shield and Magicka form BOL. It's really a great primer for players that have never pvp' before sorry you'd rather *** about on the forums than spend $15.00 enjoying the doc but I guess bitching about on the forums is free and more fun for you.

Galalin

PvE rage at its finest... lmao.

DK SCRUB OUT