Crystal Frags

Jade1986

Galalin wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

What are you talking about? Crystal Frags only looks good on paper. Wrecking Blow hits hard in game, where it counts.

When my Sorc was a Magicka build, my Frags were critting for 20K on Mammoths and Giants. Sounds great, right? Problem is, all the FOTM Stam builds are wearing Medium or Heavy or a mix of both, and my Frags were lucky to crit for 4K in the IC. Of course, Stam builds get to block, too, without completely depleting their Stamina!

Wrecking Blow, on the other hand does 12K damage on Light Armor once your shield goes down. 12 FREAKIN' K!



I've NEVER seen my Frags hit this hard in PvP, and I've never been hit with one that hard, either.

Lol, quality name censoring there. The worst thing about WB is that it buffs your next attack by a considerate amount, so if that's another WB and it crits, and your shield is down.. ouch.

Im going to hopefully say this for the last time... so much miss information on this... WB DOES NOT GRANT EMPOWER BUFF TO THE NEXT WB PPL.... so if you use wb wb wb wb light attack... the only attack that will have the empower buff is the light attack

Please get this right ppl

DK SCRUB OUT

Youre expecting too much. People actually being informed. Blasphemy.

k2blader

CrowsDescend wrote: »

On my Death Recap out of 5 abilities that killed me, Crystal Frags hit me for 4 times for 5-6k+ each.

Is this normal? Is it supposed to proc so often like this? I ain't got a Sorc, so.

Screenshot woulda been nice. I don't know what you were doing to let a sorc hit you 4 times with crystal frags? If it was multiple sorcs I can understand that though.

Anyway, I feel like my frags proc about 1/3 of the time which matches the tooltip. I consider a good hit 7k (depends on target's mitigation of course) though I'll take what I can get. Once CLS showed my frags hit someone for 300-something dmg which was a bit nuts..

contact.opiumb16_ESO

CrowsDescend wrote: »

But I know what you mean cos a lot of people want good abilities nerfed just like that these days

... Or crappy abilities (which are legions ) buff up

Birdovic

CrowsDescend wrote: »

On my Death Recap out of 5 abilities that killed me, Crystal Frags hit me for 4 times for 5-6k+ each.

Is this normal? Is it supposed to proc so often like this? I ain't got a Sorc, so.

To answer on your topic: Yeah, that's normal.
A frag has a 35% Chance to be Ready After using an ability. So that guy probably was super lucky and had insta frag proc 4 times in a row like

Ability X (insta proc)
Ability X (insta proc 2nd time)
Ability X (insta proc 3rd time)
Ability X (insta proc 4th time)

If my math is right(I'm definetly not a friend of that xD)
The chance to have 4 in a row is: 0,35*0,35*0,35*0,35 = 0,01500625
This is a chance of ~1,5%

Rare, but still possible.
But you mentioned he wasn't alone anyway (4 people?) so maybe they used some Chrystal frags on you, too?

Kwivur

Alucardo wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Alucardo I used to roll with Shield but I go for double swords for the extra spell damage. I'm not even sure if 2k+ SP is worth it in PvP anymore since I barely get a chance to get damage off when I'm trained by spammers.

Yeah I gotta admit, DKs have it better when it comes to frag spammers with our wings. I've played sorc before and yes, frags procs constantly. I put it on both bars so it would proc no matter what spell I was casting, and I think it's something like a 40% chance? So even when they're buffing they can proc this bad boy.

Oh, and bro, you're not alone either. Keeping in mind this is on BWB, so around the 2.5k mark is decent damage for an insta cast spell with knock down effect

That's a weak c-frag!!! Mine hit steady for 14k and I still consider that weak.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

Kwivur wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Alucardo I used to roll with Shield but I go for double swords for the extra spell damage. I'm not even sure if 2k+ SP is worth it in PvP anymore since I barely get a chance to get damage off when I'm trained by spammers.

Yeah I gotta admit, DKs have it better when it comes to frag spammers with our wings. I've played sorc before and yes, frags procs constantly. I put it on both bars so it would proc no matter what spell I was casting, and I think it's something like a 40% chance? So even when they're buffing they can proc this bad boy.

Oh, and bro, you're not alone either. Keeping in mind this is on BWB, so around the 2.5k mark is decent damage for an insta cast spell with knock down effect

That's a weak c-frag!!! Mine hit steady for 14k and I still consider that weak.

14K in PVP ? any screenshot ?

thelordoffelines

Waffennacht wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

Im having trouble finding the physical damage reduction cp line can you help me out? I see magicka reduction, elemental reduction but i cant find physical damage reduction! Where could it be?

Fyi its the armor set for your armor (each is in a different star figures) example to increase your phys resist and you are light armor its in the steed one I believe.

Atm if you go to any website they'll read as "increase armor rating..." in reality they read "increase physical resistance..."

Not the same at all. For one there is also a spell resist passive that has no requirements on top of the reduce magicka damage passive. Second of all the armor passive requires you to have good armor rating already to be effective. Not very useful for light armor users.

Rylana

Kwivur wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Alucardo I used to roll with Shield but I go for double swords for the extra spell damage. I'm not even sure if 2k+ SP is worth it in PvP anymore since I barely get a chance to get damage off when I'm trained by spammers.

Yeah I gotta admit, DKs have it better when it comes to frag spammers with our wings. I've played sorc before and yes, frags procs constantly. I put it on both bars so it would proc no matter what spell I was casting, and I think it's something like a 40% chance? So even when they're buffing they can proc this bad boy.

Oh, and bro, you're not alone either. Keeping in mind this is on BWB, so around the 2.5k mark is decent damage for an insta cast spell with knock down effect

That's a weak c-frag!!! Mine hit steady for 14k and I still consider that weak.

not against players they dont, mate. and if thats vs NPCs youve got a lot of theorycrafting to do

Tankqull

Rylana wrote: »

Kwivur wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Alucardo I used to roll with Shield but I go for double swords for the extra spell damage. I'm not even sure if 2k+ SP is worth it in PvP anymore since I barely get a chance to get damage off when I'm trained by spammers.

Yeah I gotta admit, DKs have it better when it comes to frag spammers with our wings. I've played sorc before and yes, frags procs constantly. I put it on both bars so it would proc no matter what spell I was casting, and I think it's something like a 40% chance? So even when they're buffing they can proc this bad boy.

Oh, and bro, you're not alone either. Keeping in mind this is on BWB, so around the 2.5k mark is decent damage for an insta cast spell with knock down effect

That's a weak c-frag!!! Mine hit steady for 14k and I still consider that weak.

not against players they dont, mate. and if thats vs NPCs youve got a lot of theorycrafting to do

people confuse steady quite often with one time effects under certain circumstances... :P

Reznique

5-6 is very low

They can proc on every hit or never proc. just matter of chance

kaalmoth

any knock down spells/ability is ruining pvp experience. I've done fights without any pple spamming knock down stuff, and god it was a lot more enjoyable. I'd like Zeni to remove these fall down effect from pvp and maybe get damages up a bit.

I've known pvp MMORPGs (ultima online for ex) where CCs were nowhere near as painfull as in this game.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

kaalmoth wrote: »

any knock down spells/ability is ruining pvp experience. I've done fights without any pple spamming knock down stuff, and god it was a lot more enjoyable. I'd like Zeni to remove these fall down effect from pvp and maybe get damages up a bit.

I've known pvp MMORPGs (ultima online for ex) where CCs were nowhere near as painfull as in this game.

i totally desagree with you. CC and CC immunity is a basic in any PvP game

Jade1986

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

kaalmoth wrote: »

any knock down spells/ability is ruining pvp experience. I've done fights without any pple spamming knock down stuff, and god it was a lot more enjoyable. I'd like Zeni to remove these fall down effect from pvp and maybe get damages up a bit.

I've known pvp MMORPGs (ultima online for ex) where CCs were nowhere near as painfull as in this game.

i totally desagree with you. CC and CC immunity is a basic in any PvP game

No it isn't, there are plenty of pvp games that do not have it, and they are much more fun. It comes down to skill, not who can spam cc more.

kaalmoth

Agreed with laced. When I was playing ultima online back in the early days of factions, there was only one paralyse spells and you would break from it so easily by opening a trapped box in your inventory. And players had far less hps compared to spells power, it was all about timing your attacks/healing.

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

kaalmoth wrote: »

any knock down spells/ability is ruining pvp experience. I've done fights without any pple spamming knock down stuff, and god it was a lot more enjoyable. I'd like Zeni to remove these fall down effect from pvp and maybe get damages up a bit.

I've known pvp MMORPGs (ultima online for ex) where CCs were nowhere near as painfull as in this game.

i totally desagree with you. CC and CC immunity is a basic in any PvP game

Plus I never said remove all CCs from the game, I said remove the one that knocks you down, even more cause CC break is totally fked up. Pvp atm is a joke tbh.

Erock25

laced wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

kaalmoth wrote: »

any knock down spells/ability is ruining pvp experience. I've done fights without any pple spamming knock down stuff, and god it was a lot more enjoyable. I'd like Zeni to remove these fall down effect from pvp and maybe get damages up a bit.

I've known pvp MMORPGs (ultima online for ex) where CCs were nowhere near as painfull as in this game.

i totally desagree with you. CC and CC immunity is a basic in any PvP game

No it isn't, there are plenty of pvp games that do not have it, and they are much more fun. It comes down to skill, not who can spam cc more.

Something tells me you have an issue with CC because you think the best way to CC is to spam them.

Bogdan_Kobzar

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Saint314Louis1985

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Something else on the topic of WB vs. CF....

Can someone explain to me why it's so much harder to hard-cast Frags within melee range than Wrecking Blow? Why would there be any difference? Think about it. The cast time of the two abilities is EXACTLY the same, but the results seem very different (in my experience).

As long as my enemy is within the 7 meter range, I can connect a Wrecking Blow time after time, no matter how much they dance around or whatever they are doing. Hard casting Frags, on the other hand, is a VERY different story. For some reason I have yet to determine, my casts of Frags very often fail to complete. I'm not saying they dodged the projectile, I'm saying the projectile never "fired" in the first place!

Shouldn't the underlying mechanics of a hard cast CF be pretty similar to a WB? Does anyone know what's going on? Is it something I'm doing wrong, or is it something the enemy is doing right?

dont shoot a projectile in melee range. wrecking blows sole purpose is melee ranged attack. common sense to me.

Saint314Louis1985

iTzStevey wrote: »

There is nothing in the champion point trees to mitigate physical damage.

doesnt each armor type have a star that states "increase armor rating when using x type of armor". does that not mitigate physical damage as well as magic? or am I wrong about that?

Waffennacht

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

Im having trouble finding the physical damage reduction cp line can you help me out? I see magicka reduction, elemental reduction but i cant find physical damage reduction! Where could it be?

Fyi its the armor set for your armor (each is in a different star figures) example to increase your phys resist and you are light armor its in the steed one I believe.

Atm if you go to any website they'll read as "increase armor rating..." in reality they read "increase physical resistance..."

Not the same at all. For one there is also a spell resist passive that has no requirements on top of the reduce magicka damage passive. Second of all the armor passive requires you to have good armor rating already to be effective. Not very useful for light armor users.

@thelordoffelines please read what I said. He asked where the physical resist is. The physical resist is in each star group, the steed is where physical resist is for light armor.

The internet says "increas armor rating" THIS IS NOT TRUE

The real writting is, "Increase physical resistance"

THERE IS NO PURE ARMOR CP BOOST. Each one reads physical resist. The spell resist is its own CP thing (also in steed i believe)

@Saint314Louis1985 don't trust the websites. They do not increase armor, only physical resist

SleepyTroll

CrowsDescend wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

I assume someone just casted it multiple times on you. Next time watch your opponent and use crushing shock (or any other interrupt) when he starts casting.

It was vs 4 other enemies, otherwise I'd have interrupted him for sure.

So your saying you got hit by 4 different crystal frags... what exactly is the problem then?

Waffennacht

Bogdan_Kobzar wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

I am a sroc and I have had c-frags proc back to back to back. I have seen it proc 4 times in a row one time. But there is a spell being cast in-between each proc.
So Crushing shock (c-frags procs)
cast instant c-frags
cast crushing shock(C-frags procs)
it should be something like that. There are plenty of spells that can proc c-frags so crushing shock is just example.

Thanks for that information, as a naive player i read the descriptions and used logic and choice the morph "Force Pulse", which combined with "crystal Fragments" enable me to do 1,250 dps at VR16. Just enough to annoy a mudcrab and then get killed by it.

I'll use my credit card and get some crown points to respec the morphs.

Why use crowns? Its the cheapest at the alters to change Morphs... like 1k gold at most. 5k gold to change all points.

Do not buy crowns to change points.

Emma_Overload

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Something else on the topic of WB vs. CF....

Can someone explain to me why it's so much harder to hard-cast Frags within melee range than Wrecking Blow? Why would there be any difference? Think about it. The cast time of the two abilities is EXACTLY the same, but the results seem very different (in my experience).

As long as my enemy is within the 7 meter range, I can connect a Wrecking Blow time after time, no matter how much they dance around or whatever they are doing. Hard casting Frags, on the other hand, is a VERY different story. For some reason I have yet to determine, my casts of Frags very often fail to complete. I'm not saying they dodged the projectile, I'm saying the projectile never "fired" in the first place!

Shouldn't the underlying mechanics of a hard cast CF be pretty similar to a WB? Does anyone know what's going on? Is it something I'm doing wrong, or is it something the enemy is doing right?

dont shoot a projectile in melee range. wrecking blows sole purpose is melee ranged attack. common sense to me.

Why should a Crystal Frag work any differently at 7 meters than 28 meters? I don't get it.

Anyway, I did some research and maybe found the answer to my question. Wrecking Blow can NOT be interrupted, but apparently Crystal Shard/Frag/Blast CAN. I don't know if that's the only issue, but it would explain why it's so hard to get off a cast Frag in PvP compared to PvE. The PvP players might be bashing me every time I try to cast for all I know... it's hard to tell what's going on when everything is happening so fast.

Saint314Louis1985

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Saint314Louis1985 don't trust the websites. They do not increase armor, only physical resist

Ahh ok. Was just going off memory. Makes sense.

Waffennacht

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Saint314Louis1985 don't trust the websites. They do not increase armor, only physical resist

Ahh ok. Was just going off memory. Makes sense.

Yeah one day before I got this far I had read the website and got all excited... got home and looked it up and was disappointed

Teargrants

So much whining in this thread from newer players who don't understand skill & game mechanic functionality.

WTB [Git Gud] button, pst offers.

Ezareth

Teargrants wrote: »

WTB [Git Gud] button, pst offers.

Why wont this ram work on this side door!

Makkir

Ezareth wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

WTB [Git Gud] button, pst offers.

Why wont this ram work on this side door!

too heavy to move up that postern staircase.

thelordoffelines

Waffennacht wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

Im having trouble finding the physical damage reduction cp line can you help me out? I see magicka reduction, elemental reduction but i cant find physical damage reduction! Where could it be?

Fyi its the armor set for your armor (each is in a different star figures) example to increase your phys resist and you are light armor its in the steed one I believe.

Atm if you go to any website they'll read as "increase armor rating..." in reality they read "increase physical resistance..."

Not the same at all. For one there is also a spell resist passive that has no requirements on top of the reduce magicka damage passive. Second of all the armor passive requires you to have good armor rating already to be effective. Not very useful for light armor users.

@thelordoffelines please read what I said. He asked where the physical resist is. The physical resist is in each star group, the steed is where physical resist is for light armor.

The internet says "increas armor rating" THIS IS NOT TRUE

The real writting is, "Increase physical resistance"

THERE IS NO PURE ARMOR CP BOOST. Each one reads physical resist. The spell resist is its own CP thing (also in steed i believe)

@Saint314Louis1985 don't trust the websites. They do not increase armor, only physical resist

No the post i originally quoted referred to a reduce physical damage cp which there is none. You could argue that increasing physical resistence is physical damage reduction but thats a different argument and it would just mean there are two reduce magicka damage cp lines: one for spel resist and one for reducing magicka damage directly.

Molag_Crow

k2blader wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

On my Death Recap out of 5 abilities that killed me, Crystal Frags hit me for 4 times for 5-6k+ each.

Is this normal? Is it supposed to proc so often like this? I ain't got a Sorc, so.

Screenshot woulda been nice. I don't know what you were doing to let a sorc hit you 4 times with crystal frags? If it was multiple sorcs I can understand that though.

I should have uploaded the screenshot from PS but yeah, I'm being serious, that's why I was so confused and made this to ask if it's "normal" since I've never really been hit by 4 frags within a second or so (I had 3 guys on me at the time but instantly died due to the frags, and it was by the same sorc, I looked at his name on the death recap...)

JayRupp

Alucardo wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Besides the fact that you were getting crystal frags hard cast into your face there and there was nothing instant about any of them besides maybe the first and the last.

Actually the first one was a crit and I was being chased, so no one had time to hard cast frags. Glad you were there to see the whole thing though.

Dude....all of those except maybe the first are hard cast. You literally had to stand in front of a couple of SORCS and watch their Harry Potter hands swirl around until you died. Lol.