Crystal Frags

Jade1986

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Theres nothing wrong with things hitting hard if they are easily avoidable as frags and wrecking blow are.

Thank you! I have no problem dodging WB at all. There are so many counters to it it is ridiculous.

SHADOW2KK

laced wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Theres nothing wrong with things hitting hard if they are easily avoidable as frags and wrecking blow are.

Thank you! I have no problem dodging WB at all. There are so many counters to it it is ridiculous.

Exactly, and @CrowsDescend I use Surprise Attack a lot:P

Molag_Crow

We all have our sneaky attacks, but when it comes to WB spam... may as well go and play mortal combat or something lol

I feel sorry for Stam users. My Stam DK was gonna use WB, I did in the apollo creed video for a laugh but I'm not actually, seriously using it... it fries my brain cells so I don't know what else to use instead of it, hence why I've not really logged on him much at all.

Jade1986

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

SHADOW2KK

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

Bang on right, to tell you the truth, WB is easy as hell to get away from, and as @laced says, not much to add.

I really cannot understand the mentality of some players, cry and whine for nerfs cos you do not know how to counter.

Jeez

As @laced has pointed, out, all WB moaners read his post and adapt.

:P

Jade1986

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

laced wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Theres nothing wrong with things hitting hard if they are easily avoidable as frags and wrecking blow are.

Thank you! I have no problem dodging WB at all. There are so many counters to it it is ridiculous.

Exactly, and @CrowsDescend I use Surprise Attack a lot:P

The real culprit in this game is the really....REALLY bad lag in cyro when big groups get together, it causes any small annoyances to become ridiculous glaring issues. With pvp of this magnitude, ZoS -needs- to upgrade their datacentre hardware to the top end stuff, battles of 20 v 20 are not too bad, but when you get those mass zerg tsunamis....you just cant do anything. I remember one time there were 50 people hiding in one tower after we took the outer wall on an AD castle, and they ALL jumped down like a wave of bananas and the lag just skyrocketed, even with their numbers, no one could do anything, because we all just lagged to the moon. I commend their coordination, and they should of slaughtered us, but no one would die , and everyone just retreated eventually because landing a hit was nigh impossible.

SHADOW2KK

Aye tis true

Waffennacht

CrowsDescend wrote: »

They really should give Stamina users some new abilities instead of just Wrecking Blow blow blow blow blow blow blow whoa whoa whoa whoa whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Absolutely.

What they need to do is overhaul the tree, increase the effectiveness of the rest of the tree and tone down wrecking blow.

I can think of three changes to WB that would be ok to me: Reduce the knockdown time (or CC immunity fix), make the dmg increase only effect a different ability, or a reduction in damage. I would prefer CC immunity fix, then a change to the knockdown being 2 seconds (comparable to Frags)

Lmao I'm even for the streak treatment, an increased cost for each spam use.

Inherently you cannot spam frag, you either got to proc it (in essence a cooldown) or hardcast. Either way you can't just keep them down with it, the same should be of the higher damaging WB.

I really don't want the only move in the tree to suck. I believe there is a very simple fix to make WB on par, and then improve the rest of the tree to promote different builds.

Waffennacht

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

Wtf are you talking about? Block, dodge, (shuffle lmfao what immunity for .5 seconds?) (Unstoppable, heavy armor really?? 5 seconds?) Blink.

Those work once or till your stamina is gone. WB is stooped once then the next one gets ya... fear and petrify are not in the sorcerer's line up. Momentum on a sorc huh?

The only viable option you listed was streak, and as i said its just spam streak vs spam wb, who's resources end first? (Here's a hint, the one with the 50% cost increase per use)

I have used shuffle, knockdown, unstoppable, potions, streak, CC, roots and the only option is streak.

Put CC points into reduction huh? Yeah my whole 5% reduction of 550 of a 11k damage, yeah that's gonna do a whole lot of good...

Molag_Crow

I don't mean to sound judgemental but most people who offer obvious, silly counters to Wrecking Blow, obviously have never played a Magicka Templar or DK for a few weeks in Cyrodiil.

thelordoffelines

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

Im having trouble finding the physical damage reduction cp line can you help me out? I see magicka reduction, elemental reduction but i cant find physical damage reduction! Where could it be?

KozawahGaming

CrowsDescend wrote: »

On my Death Recap out of 5 abilities that killed me, Crystal Frags hit me for 4 times for 5-6k+ each.

Is this normal? Is it supposed to proc so often like this? I ain't got a Sorc, so.

I'm gonna take a guess and say they were animation canceling.

Emma_Overload

Something else on the topic of WB vs. CF....

Can someone explain to me why it's so much harder to hard-cast Frags within melee range than Wrecking Blow? Why would there be any difference? Think about it. The cast time of the two abilities is EXACTLY the same, but the results seem very different (in my experience).

As long as my enemy is within the 7 meter range, I can connect a Wrecking Blow time after time, no matter how much they dance around or whatever they are doing. Hard casting Frags, on the other hand, is a VERY different story. For some reason I have yet to determine, my casts of Frags very often fail to complete. I'm not saying they dodged the projectile, I'm saying the projectile never "fired" in the first place!

Shouldn't the underlying mechanics of a hard cast CF be pretty similar to a WB? Does anyone know what's going on? Is it something I'm doing wrong, or is it something the enemy is doing right?

Tankqull

laced wrote: »

Hmm, weird, people are totally ok with crystal frags insane damage, but wb is bad?

the difference is the 20% dmg increasement is not inherent to shards only the proced one wich is not spammable as it requires a proc...

Waffennacht

thelordoffelines wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

Im having trouble finding the physical damage reduction cp line can you help me out? I see magicka reduction, elemental reduction but i cant find physical damage reduction! Where could it be?

Fyi its the armor set for your armor (each is in a different star figures) example to increase your phys resist and you are light armor its in the steed one I believe.

Atm if you go to any website they'll read as "increase armor rating..." in reality they read "increase physical resistance..."

Jade1986

Tankqull wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Hmm, weird, people are totally ok with crystal frags insane damage, but wb is bad?

the difference is the 20% dmg increasement is not inherent to shards only the proced one wich is not spammable as it requires a proc...

WB also doesn't have a chance to be instant. Would you rather have that? That would be even worse.

Waffennacht wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

Wtf are you talking about? Block, dodge, (shuffle lmfao what immunity for .5 seconds?) (Unstoppable, heavy armor really?? 5 seconds?) Blink.

Those work once or till your stamina is gone. WB is stooped once then the next one gets ya... fear and petrify are not in the sorcerer's line up. Momentum on a sorc huh?

The only viable option you listed was streak, and as i said its just spam streak vs spam wb, who's resources end first? (Here's a hint, the one with the 50% cost increase per use)

I have used shuffle, knockdown, unstoppable, potions, streak, CC, roots and the only option is streak.

Put CC points into reduction huh? Yeah my whole 5% reduction of 550 of a 11k damage, yeah that's gonna do a whole lot of good...

Shuffle offers 2 seconds of immunity, not .5. If you only wear one piece of medium armor, or heavy, that is again, not the fault of WB, it is your own fault, and there are plenty of options via magic abilities to counter. I can dodge 3 times without even having to worry about my stam bar as a medium armor stamknight. That is more than enough time. Also, if you know you are fighting WB spammers, you can use an immovable potion. Not that hard. What do you want? 20 seconds of cc immunity? This game is reactive, you are supposed to REACT to what your opponent is doing, not get a get out of jail free card. Sorc DOES have CC options, if you don't know them, that is -not- my faul, or WBs fault, that is your own fault. One requires them to dodge, one requires them to break free, both are taxing on their stamina pool. The sorc trees and destruction trees have PLENTY of CC, knock backs and slows, use them. If you don't use them, don't complain.

kadar

This thread is a bit derailed it seems. I thought the OP just asked about the instant-proc chance of crystal frags?

Why all this comparison between two super-different attacks. WB is a weapon skill available to anyone with a 2H vs. Crystal frags, a Sorc specific ability. WB has a cast-time into a knock up, Frags is essentially and insta-cast (no one should be hard casting frags ever) and causes a knock down.

All this comparison when skills/abilities/classes are supposed to be different

If we want WB to be more like Frags, why not give it a %chance to be instant cast? I'd take that over a buff to my next attack any day (this is sarcasm, pls don't make WB like Frag).

Lot's of counters to WB have been suggested. Ironically, I think the best one is to stay as close as possible to the spammer. Apply snare/slow/CC/Debuff and then step foreword into the spammer, effectively cancelling WB. Without even using any Stam to do it.

Waffennacht

laced wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Hmm, weird, people are totally ok with crystal frags insane damage, but wb is bad?

the difference is the 20% dmg increasement is not inherent to shards only the proced one wich is not spammable as it requires a proc...

WB also doesn't have a chance to be instant. Would you rather have that? That would be even worse.

Waffennacht wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

Wtf are you talking about? Block, dodge, (shuffle lmfao what immunity for .5 seconds?) (Unstoppable, heavy armor really?? 5 seconds?) Blink.

Those work once or till your stamina is gone. WB is stooped once then the next one gets ya... fear and petrify are not in the sorcerer's line up. Momentum on a sorc huh?

The only viable option you listed was streak, and as i said its just spam streak vs spam wb, who's resources end first? (Here's a hint, the one with the 50% cost increase per use)

I have used shuffle, knockdown, unstoppable, potions, streak, CC, roots and the only option is streak.

Put CC points into reduction huh? Yeah my whole 5% reduction of 550 of a 11k damage, yeah that's gonna do a whole lot of good...

Shuffle offers 2 seconds of immunity, not .5. If you only wear one piece of medium armor, or heavy, that is again, not the fault of WB, it is your own fault, and there are plenty of options via magic abilities to counter. I can dodge 3 times without even having to worry about my stam bar as a medium armor stamknight. That is more than enough time. Also, if you know you are fighting WB spammers, you can use an immovable potion. Not that hard. What do you want? 20 seconds of cc immunity? This game is reactive, you are supposed to REACT to what your opponent is doing, not get a get out of jail free card. Sorc DOES have CC options, if you don't know them, that is -not- my faul, or WBs fault, that is your own fault. One requires them to dodge, one requires them to break free, both are taxing on their stamina pool. The sorc trees and destruction trees have PLENTY of CC, knock backs and slows, use them. If you don't use them, don't complain.

So WB WB WB WB WB WB is reacting to what your opponent is doing?

Btw CC huh? Yeah, except its a knockdown, once ur down U have to break it, in which case you get knocked down again. Once you actually get knocked down its over.

LIKE I said its a spam war !! It completely removes YOUR reactionary game play as you would say.

Ok 2 seconds for shuffle, I do suppose that is enough time to get your WB in

twistedmonk

all those counters for WB fail when there is so much lag in Cyrodiil...

that's why it is so effective...

even normally the WB animation is so buggy, you can get 3-4 attacks off in 2 seconds. Add in the lag...you can kill somebody in 2-3 seconds easy...I dont' care who you are.

Alucardo

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Theres nothing wrong with things hitting hard if they are easily avoidable as frags and wrecking blow are.

Tell that to DKs with a bugged reflect spell

LBxFinalDeath

A good Sorc with frags+streak can rek any class in the game quite easily.

A good WB spammer can rek enemies only if they aren't prepared.

Also if you move slightly to the left, right or just walk towards them to the point where the game registers you as behind them it stops their wrecking blow from ever coming out.

Can't really prepare for a Sorc to streak spam into you or away and frag spam unless you're a class with a reflect thats worth using.

Its ridiculous tbh.

Imo the balance in pvp goes from Sorc, NB, Templar and finally DK. (Dun get me wrong the other kits can easily rek NBs but I stand by a good Sorc is infinitely more difficult to take down than a good NB)

Sorc being the bane of Nightblades in 1v1s are why NBs are second imo.

damtotb16_ESO

CrowsDescend wrote: »

They really should give Stamina users some new abilities instead of just Wrecking Blow blow blow blow blow blow blow whoa whoa whoa whoa whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Matter of opinion

Jade1986

Waffennacht wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Hmm, weird, people are totally ok with crystal frags insane damage, but wb is bad?

the difference is the 20% dmg increasement is not inherent to shards only the proced one wich is not spammable as it requires a proc...

WB also doesn't have a chance to be instant. Would you rather have that? That would be even worse.

Waffennacht wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

Wtf are you talking about? Block, dodge, (shuffle lmfao what immunity for .5 seconds?) (Unstoppable, heavy armor really?? 5 seconds?) Blink.

Those work once or till your stamina is gone. WB is stooped once then the next one gets ya... fear and petrify are not in the sorcerer's line up. Momentum on a sorc huh?

The only viable option you listed was streak, and as i said its just spam streak vs spam wb, who's resources end first? (Here's a hint, the one with the 50% cost increase per use)

I have used shuffle, knockdown, unstoppable, potions, streak, CC, roots and the only option is streak.

Put CC points into reduction huh? Yeah my whole 5% reduction of 550 of a 11k damage, yeah that's gonna do a whole lot of good...

Shuffle offers 2 seconds of immunity, not .5. If you only wear one piece of medium armor, or heavy, that is again, not the fault of WB, it is your own fault, and there are plenty of options via magic abilities to counter. I can dodge 3 times without even having to worry about my stam bar as a medium armor stamknight. That is more than enough time. Also, if you know you are fighting WB spammers, you can use an immovable potion. Not that hard. What do you want? 20 seconds of cc immunity? This game is reactive, you are supposed to REACT to what your opponent is doing, not get a get out of jail free card. Sorc DOES have CC options, if you don't know them, that is -not- my faul, or WBs fault, that is your own fault. One requires them to dodge, one requires them to break free, both are taxing on their stamina pool. The sorc trees and destruction trees have PLENTY of CC, knock backs and slows, use them. If you don't use them, don't complain.

So WB WB WB WB WB WB is reacting to what your opponent is doing?

Btw CC huh? Yeah, except its a knockdown, once ur down U have to break it, in which case you get knocked down again. Once you actually get knocked down its over.

LIKE I said its a spam war !! It completely removes YOUR reactionary game play as you would say.

Ok 2 seconds for shuffle, I do suppose that is enough time to get your WB in

If you get into a 1 v 1 and don't use any form of shield ability, dodge ability or what not to prepare for the fight, you deserve to lose that battle. I have never gotten into a battle where I allowed someone to spam a single ability on me. I don't know what people are doing, but wrecking blow DOES NOT hit that hard that the battle is lost right after it strikes once, that is only if it strikes from stealth, otherwise it hits just as hard as frags and snipe.

Jade1986

twistedmonk wrote: »

all those counters for WB fail when there is so much lag in Cyrodiil...

that's why it is so effective...

even normally the WB animation is so buggy, you can get 3-4 attacks off in 2 seconds. Add in the lag...you can kill somebody in 2-3 seconds easy...I dont' care who you are.

That is an issue of lag tho, not the abilities fault. ZoS needs to get their act together and upgrade their hardware.

Brrrofski

You can animation cancel hard carted frags quite easily. I can get them off in a row pretty quickly.

Scyantific

Alucardo wrote: »

ESO Forums: Where a harmless thread asking how often a crystal frags procs turns into a WB is OP thread.

People can't stay away from making things about themselves.

For example: all of the threads asking about simple game mechanics turning into NERF CLOAK threads.

Galalin

Alucardo wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

What are you talking about? Crystal Frags only looks good on paper. Wrecking Blow hits hard in game, where it counts.

When my Sorc was a Magicka build, my Frags were critting for 20K on Mammoths and Giants. Sounds great, right? Problem is, all the FOTM Stam builds are wearing Medium or Heavy or a mix of both, and my Frags were lucky to crit for 4K in the IC. Of course, Stam builds get to block, too, without completely depleting their Stamina!

Wrecking Blow, on the other hand does 12K damage on Light Armor once your shield goes down. 12 FREAKIN' K!



I've NEVER seen my Frags hit this hard in PvP, and I've never been hit with one that hard, either.

Lol, quality name censoring there. The worst thing about WB is that it buffs your next attack by a considerate amount, so if that's another WB and it crits, and your shield is down.. ouch.

Im going to hopefully say this for the last time... so much miss information on this... WB DOES NOT GRANT EMPOWER BUFF TO THE NEXT WB PPL.... so if you use wb wb wb wb light attack... the only attack that will have the empower buff is the light attack

Please get this right ppl

DK SCRUB OUT

iTzStevey

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

There is nothing in the champion point trees to mitigate physical damage.
Snare them,? Shuffle. Root them? Dodge roll. CC them? Instant CC break and their stam regenerates in 3 seconds. Immovable potion? Doesn't mitigate damage, and they just keep spamming,pointless.

Nobody is complaining about stam builds being in their face, that's where they're expected to be.
They're complaining about a clearly OP ability that needs to be addressed, it is literally all you see people doing nowadays.

One person spamming wrecking blow isn't hard to deal with, but anymore than that and you may aswell bend and over and let them have a go at you.

Jade1986

iTzStevey wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Well its procs 35% of the time... it says so on the game... now that we got that taken care of...

The only OP ability, by itself, is WB. Therefore any thread discussing the effectiveness of any ability will become a WB thread, because no other single ability can compare.

Until something is done with CC immunity or WB, all ability threads will be about WB.

Aka no ability is OP as long as WB is around because any other abilities OPness pales in comparison to WB's OPness.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be.

There is nothing in the champion point trees to mitigate physical damage.
Snare them,? Shuffle. Root them? Dodge roll. CC them? Instant CC break and their stam regenerates in 3 seconds. Immovable potion? Doesn't mitigate damage, and they just keep spamming,pointless.

Nobody is complaining about stam builds being in their face, that's where they're expected to be.
They're complaining about a clearly OP ability that needs to be addressed, it is literally all you see people doing nowadays.

One person spamming wrecking blow isn't hard to deal with, but anymore than that and you may aswell bend and over and let them have a go at you.

That goes for more than one people spamming ANY hard hitting ability. Templar jabs, surprise attack, crystal frags.

And yes there is something in the champion system to mitigate physical damage, the light, medium and heavy armor specialist points. Learn about the whole game before you are going to complain about one of the EASIEST things in the game to avoid.

Immovable potion plus damage shield, maybe you should try it? I said it once and I will say it again, if you are going into battle without using SOME sort of defensives, you are doing it wrong. Shuffle also gives you 20 seconds of 20 % dodge chance. If you do not know the counters, do not complain. Cloak annoys the *** out of me, but I know the counters, and if I am cloak spammed by an enemy now, I know it is my fault, not the abilities fault.