What's Wrong, Zenimax? What's the Issue?

UltimaJoe777

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

Forum guerilla tactic, derail the thread with personal attacks to heat the discussion to get the thread closed. Hurts to read your bs as you´re not contributing anything.

Um, if I intended to get the thread closed I would've reported his post. No I was simply pointing out the level of wrong in which he introduced his thread. Also there is nothing to contribute to here as well since this is just another one of those rant at Zenimax threads anyway.

Also as I stated before I am just defending Zenimax therefore meaning I am not attacking. If you meant the other guy then yeah I was blocking an attack on me for stating OP attacked Zenimax in a non-chalant way lol

reading these battles in this thread is like watching some kids accusing each other "he started it, no he startet it" but nevermind

And you accuse me of not contributing anything... It's ok though this isn't the first thread you attacked me in so I can see some bias and that means your attacks pretty much mean nothing to me whatsoever so it's all good

Marrtha wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

Forum guerilla tactic, derail the thread with personal attacks to heat the discussion to get the thread closed. Hurts to read your bs as you´re not contributing anything.

Um, if I intended to get the thread closed I would've reported his post. No I was simply pointing out the level of wrong in which he introduced his thread. Also there is nothing to contribute to here as well since this is just another one of those rant at Zenimax threads anyway.

Also as I stated before I am just defending Zenimax therefore meaning I am not attacking. If you meant the other guy then yeah I was blocking an attack on me for stating OP attacked Zenimax in a non-chalant way lol

It is not wrong to defend Zenimax or disagree with the post, but please, you are way too defensive and immature all the way up to here.
His post was written in a laid-back way, and I consider it a friendly way of explaining what is wrong.
It is even witty. Maybe it draws some attention as all sorts of posts that are posted here, with the same opinions, do not draw any attention despite the arguments that are more than logical, and discussed in a very good manner.
Maybe you think everything is fine and working great, but there will be people who are not happy with it. Casuals, crafters, PvE players, as well as players who prefer PvP. The game needs to be DEVELOPED and worked on, and as it is an online and multiplayer game, they should value players' feedback. Because some ideas may be great on paper but horrible when executed, and who can tell them better than the regular players themselves? I love ESO and I love playing it but I am afraid of it dying and I want to help as well when it goes off the track.
Back to the reason why I started writing this, before you come barging in with insults, take a moment to write an elaborate post why you disagree, give arguments, and we will see where discussion takes us. This is a forum, not a bar.

So you call me immature and then try to defend something I never even touched in the first place? I think that right there pretty much sums this up. Do ya'll even know what my beef with this thread was or are you all trying to zerg me here? Either way doesn't matter to me I said my bit it's been heard so honestly all this "battling" is coming from ya'll and all I am doing is blocking the blows which, honestly, aren't that lethal lol

Panth141

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

I agree with the OP's post.

Flinging insults is not the way to go. It'll bring one of the moderators out of their slumber. They hate that.

Be nice, people.

Actually a mod is present, or at least one is anyway. However, they honestly don't care what people say as long as it does not violate their code of conduct. That is honestly why OP's introduction to his post is so bothersome. Most haters these days just flail angrily but this guy dropped it like it was dirt under his fingernails. It's the class-act insults that often stand out the most...

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 it would probably have been more constructive to have actually read the OPs initial post before launching into full on fanboy attack mode, really was no need to insult him or her without knowing fully what the post said, doing so kind of made your look a bit silly... jus sayin.

I agree with the OP and I think they're just a few of many points which need to be raised daily in order to assure ZOS that people would still very much like those issues to be addressed.

And everything you said is basically an uninformed way of defending the OP. Who exactly is the "fanboy" here?

By the way why do you people seem to make the real fanboys out to be bad guys or people to shun? Obviously I am no fanboy but there are some actual fans out there. Fangirls too while we're at it.

Just...

I agree. Makes ya wonder why you said it in the first place eh?

Actually I was going to ask which part was uninformed but then remembered a saying which goes "never argue with an idiot, they'll drag your IQ down to their level and beat you with experience everytime" so just facepalmed at the stupidity of your whole post instead... but since you asked.

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

For the second thread in a row... chill!

anitajoneb17_ESO

Dear Zenimax,

Please excuse some of my fellow forum and community members. You must forgive them, they just think they know what's good for everyone, that everyone thinks like them, want the same from the game, that the game would be perfect if they would be in charge of it, and also don't get the difference between being a customer and being a boss.
And perhaps they're promoting the popcorn industry.

Anyway keep up the good work ZOS.

UltimaJoe777

Panth141 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

I agree with the OP's post.

Flinging insults is not the way to go. It'll bring one of the moderators out of their slumber. They hate that.

Be nice, people.

Actually a mod is present, or at least one is anyway. However, they honestly don't care what people say as long as it does not violate their code of conduct. That is honestly why OP's introduction to his post is so bothersome. Most haters these days just flail angrily but this guy dropped it like it was dirt under his fingernails. It's the class-act insults that often stand out the most...

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 it would probably have been more constructive to have actually read the OPs initial post before launching into full on fanboy attack mode, really was no need to insult him or her without knowing fully what the post said, doing so kind of made your look a bit silly... jus sayin.

I agree with the OP and I think they're just a few of many points which need to be raised daily in order to assure ZOS that people would still very much like those issues to be addressed.

And everything you said is basically an uninformed way of defending the OP. Who exactly is the "fanboy" here?

By the way why do you people seem to make the real fanboys out to be bad guys or people to shun? Obviously I am no fanboy but there are some actual fans out there. Fangirls too while we're at it.

Just...

I agree. Makes ya wonder why you said it in the first place eh?

Actually I was going to ask which part was uninformed but then remembered a saying which goes "never argue with an idiot, they'll drag your IQ down to their level and beat you with experience everytime" so just facepalmed at the stupidity of your whole post instead... but since you asked.

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

For the second thread in a row... chill!

Got the wrong side there bub lol I am chill but clearly they are not.

Tommy1979AtWar

I have to agree with a point @BigM raised earlier too, ESO live could be used to better effect by answering more relevant questions, a simple yes or no would suffice for most issues raised within the forum and it would go a long way to keeping the community informed whilst letting us know they're taking queries/gripes seriously.

UltimaJoe777

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I have to agree with a point @BigM raised earlier too, ESO live could be used to better effect by answering more relevant questions, a simple yes or no would suffice for most issues raised within the forum and it would go a long way to keeping the community informed whilst letting us know they're taking queries/gripes seriously.

Which is actually why I am wondering why they've kinda been avoiding it the last couple of Lives... I mean sure DLCs are a big thing but still I am hoping the one on the 15th covers much of what has been piling up since the last Ask Us Anything segment.

Panth141

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

Forum guerilla tactic, derail the thread with personal attacks to heat the discussion to get the thread closed. Hurts to read your bs as you´re not contributing anything.

Um, if I intended to get the thread closed I would've reported his post. No I was simply pointing out the level of wrong in which he introduced his thread. Also there is nothing to contribute to here as well since this is just another one of those rant at Zenimax threads anyway.

Also as I stated before I am just defending Zenimax therefore meaning I am not attacking. If you meant the other guy then yeah I was blocking an attack on me for stating OP attacked Zenimax in a non-chalant way lol

reading these battles in this thread is like watching some kids accusing each other "he started it, no he startet it" but nevermind

And you accuse me of not contributing anything... It's ok though this isn't the first thread you attacked me in so I can see some bias and that means your attacks pretty much mean nothing to me whatsoever so it's all good

Marrtha wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

Forum guerilla tactic, derail the thread with personal attacks to heat the discussion to get the thread closed. Hurts to read your bs as you´re not contributing anything.

Um, if I intended to get the thread closed I would've reported his post. No I was simply pointing out the level of wrong in which he introduced his thread. Also there is nothing to contribute to here as well since this is just another one of those rant at Zenimax threads anyway.

Also as I stated before I am just defending Zenimax therefore meaning I am not attacking. If you meant the other guy then yeah I was blocking an attack on me for stating OP attacked Zenimax in a non-chalant way lol

It is not wrong to defend Zenimax or disagree with the post, but please, you are way too defensive and immature all the way up to here.
His post was written in a laid-back way, and I consider it a friendly way of explaining what is wrong.
It is even witty. Maybe it draws some attention as all sorts of posts that are posted here, with the same opinions, do not draw any attention despite the arguments that are more than logical, and discussed in a very good manner.
Maybe you think everything is fine and working great, but there will be people who are not happy with it. Casuals, crafters, PvE players, as well as players who prefer PvP. The game needs to be DEVELOPED and worked on, and as it is an online and multiplayer game, they should value players' feedback. Because some ideas may be great on paper but horrible when executed, and who can tell them better than the regular players themselves? I love ESO and I love playing it but I am afraid of it dying and I want to help as well when it goes off the track.
Back to the reason why I started writing this, before you come barging in with insults, take a moment to write an elaborate post why you disagree, give arguments, and we will see where discussion takes us. This is a forum, not a bar.

So you call me immature and then try to defend something I never even touched in the first place? I think that right there pretty much sums this up. Do ya'll even know what my beef with this thread was or are you all trying to zerg me here? Either way doesn't matter to me I said my bit it's been heard so honestly all this "battling" is coming from ya'll and all I am doing is blocking the blows which, honestly, aren't that lethal lol

'Punk', 'bub' and 'all that text I didn't bother to read' does not help develop a healthy discussion

Can we all just discuss relevant matters, rather than begging for the standard mod warning?

EDIT: *sigh* I'm not pursuing this

UltimaJoe777

Panth141 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

Forum guerilla tactic, derail the thread with personal attacks to heat the discussion to get the thread closed. Hurts to read your bs as you´re not contributing anything.

Um, if I intended to get the thread closed I would've reported his post. No I was simply pointing out the level of wrong in which he introduced his thread. Also there is nothing to contribute to here as well since this is just another one of those rant at Zenimax threads anyway.

Also as I stated before I am just defending Zenimax therefore meaning I am not attacking. If you meant the other guy then yeah I was blocking an attack on me for stating OP attacked Zenimax in a non-chalant way lol

reading these battles in this thread is like watching some kids accusing each other "he started it, no he startet it" but nevermind

And you accuse me of not contributing anything... It's ok though this isn't the first thread you attacked me in so I can see some bias and that means your attacks pretty much mean nothing to me whatsoever so it's all good

Marrtha wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

Forum guerilla tactic, derail the thread with personal attacks to heat the discussion to get the thread closed. Hurts to read your bs as you´re not contributing anything.

Um, if I intended to get the thread closed I would've reported his post. No I was simply pointing out the level of wrong in which he introduced his thread. Also there is nothing to contribute to here as well since this is just another one of those rant at Zenimax threads anyway.

Also as I stated before I am just defending Zenimax therefore meaning I am not attacking. If you meant the other guy then yeah I was blocking an attack on me for stating OP attacked Zenimax in a non-chalant way lol

It is not wrong to defend Zenimax or disagree with the post, but please, you are way too defensive and immature all the way up to here.
His post was written in a laid-back way, and I consider it a friendly way of explaining what is wrong.
It is even witty. Maybe it draws some attention as all sorts of posts that are posted here, with the same opinions, do not draw any attention despite the arguments that are more than logical, and discussed in a very good manner.
Maybe you think everything is fine and working great, but there will be people who are not happy with it. Casuals, crafters, PvE players, as well as players who prefer PvP. The game needs to be DEVELOPED and worked on, and as it is an online and multiplayer game, they should value players' feedback. Because some ideas may be great on paper but horrible when executed, and who can tell them better than the regular players themselves? I love ESO and I love playing it but I am afraid of it dying and I want to help as well when it goes off the track.
Back to the reason why I started writing this, before you come barging in with insults, take a moment to write an elaborate post why you disagree, give arguments, and we will see where discussion takes us. This is a forum, not a bar.

So you call me immature and then try to defend something I never even touched in the first place? I think that right there pretty much sums this up. Do ya'll even know what my beef with this thread was or are you all trying to zerg me here? Either way doesn't matter to me I said my bit it's been heard so honestly all this "battling" is coming from ya'll and all I am doing is blocking the blows which, honestly, aren't that lethal lol

'Punk', 'bub' and 'all that text I didn't bother to read' does not help develop a healthy discussion

Can we all just discuss relevant matters, rather than begging for the standard mod warning?

Dunno about them but if I wanted to invite a mod here I would lol

Also bub isn't a bad word. It's sort of like saying dude or man or even pal or friend.

JD2013

I read through the whole thing, and I have to say that it's one of the most passive aggressive and self righteously opinionated things that I have ever read on these forums.

It is loaded with personal opinions. You certainly do not speak for the community.

Want to know why the game has been having a tough time? Because members of this community come onto the boards and complain. A lot. Begging for things to be fixed to their personal preference. Not what might actually be good for the game. And so things get "fixed" more complaints. More fixes and more complaints. Do you see where I'm going with this?

No matter what ZoS fix not everyone will be happy. No matter what systems ZoS put in, not everyone will be happy.

This game certainly does have troubles and problems. Does it ever. I think that top of the list is people who want the game their way or no way at all.

Turelus

sagitter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Paul Sage ruined it, Rich Lambert is slowly fixing it.
Give it time my friends, it's slowly but surely improving.

I agree, and they are listening the community, most of the time they listen to the whiners of the forum, look at dodge roll monkeys nerf or perma escaping sorc or to the whiners that cryed rivers because you could be 1 shotted by an arrow atc..?

Was the game (or PvP as the reason for these changes) actually a better place for them though? I mean other than the people playing them and loving the power they offered, was it really an enjoyable game whilst this was happening.

TequilaFire

A good post which would of been a great one if the OP had left his personal opinions and bias against other classes out.
All I can say is the game is becoming bland with the current direction of changes being implemented to appease the crowd that wants everything to be even. But this is my opinion, others mileage may vary.

Olysja

as templar i've cleanse. might help?

audrieltheelf

I completely agree with the OP and will be sad when they remove this thread today (Monday) because it calls into question their tactics. Again, well said. Screenshot this post so that you have it for posterity since it inevitably will be removed because it doesn't say ONLY amazing things about ZoS.

Messy1

Overall, ESO is a very good game. ZOS has made some baffling decisions lately regarding their crafting system. I agree with many of the OPs points. Although, I believe that ESO is a good game it seems like the development team needs to follow a "Road to Redemption" map in many players view especially on this forum so here is my personal take on what ZOS should do to improve the game:

Crafting:
1) Decrease the amount of mats it takes to craft VR 16 gear (it is already a grind to be able to get some of the good VR15-16 sets in the Dungeons and in PvP so why add an unnecessary crafting grind. Crafting sets have always been available to casual players at high levels, but this new crafting expenditure puts many high level sets of their reach)

2) Increase Glass motif fragment drop rates from daily writs, decrease the amount of money that is required to buy a Glass motif Book in the Crown store. (There are only going to be more and more motifs that will be introduced into the game so why charge a high crown price and make a long grind to get crafting motifs? Go for quantity of sales and variety of styles so that every player can feel some element of individuality instead of a small rich elite having everything available to them and letting things trickle down too slowly)

3) Stick to a consistent crafting plan (the IC content significantly altered the pattern of crafting that had already been established in ESO leaving a lot of players baffled as to why it turned out that way. Sure, many players do recognize that by increasing crafting materials requirements that ZOS is creating a artificial way to keep players playing 'til the next DLC, but this is backwards thinking; it should be game mechanics and content that keep players coming back for more and not crafting and gear grinds).

Content and Gameplay

1) Introduce more thought provoking quests that will capture the imagination of the players (TES games have always had a way of introducing awe and wonder to the players. Some of the quests in the IC seem downright dull).

2) Don't miss opportunities to be creative (I was very disappointed in the Arena district in IC. ZOS should have looked at Oblivion and seen what made the Arena great in that game and tried to give a similar feeling for the IC arena. Basically, the Arena in IC should have been a multilayer experience for the players meaning i) have the quest for the arena district ii) add staging area below the arena for each faction with trainers and gladiators like in Oblivion and then have them pour out into the Arena for some great duels iii) have a betting system and seats for other players to sit in and watch the game. Make it cross-faction friendly and allow other players from other factions to /say things to each other.

Don't forget Players like to Interact with other Players

1) Allow players from different factions to /say things to each other (this builds upon what I was writing about above, not only would it be more realistic, it would also allow players to organize player driven events better between factions. Ex) someone was trying to organize a "Grand Melee" in the IC Arena, but it was so hard to communicate with other faction members that it almost failed).

2) Allow more customization and personalization (this goes beyond the character creation screen, Guild menus need further updates and guilds need more guild faction pride stuff like guild banners that are visual and can be planted, perhaps good clothing lines)

The most important message I can try to convey to the ZOS development team is *Don't forget that you have a creative high functioning player base that will not be impressed by traditional MMO mechanics. Be bold, be creative, remember that ESO is part of the TES tradition and that much is expected and required by the player base.

Almost forgot to mention: ***Fix the loading screens

audrieltheelf

Messy1 wrote: »

2) ... decrease the amount of money that is required to buy a Glass motif Book in the Crown store. (There are only going to be more and more motifs that will be introduced into the game so why charge a high crown price and make a long grind to get crafting motifs? Go for quantity of sales and variety of styles so that every player can feel some element of individuality instead of a small rich elite having everything available to them and letting things trickle down too slowly)

This makes me sad. I'm heavy into crafting and when they released the glass motif on the crown store so soon after putting it in the game I, as a crafter, felt like someone punched me and pulled my hair. I spent weeks getting 7 VR lvl characters up to lvl 50 in all crafts just so I could guarantee that it didn't take me months to get the full glass motif, and in the process prevented me from spending a huge amount in gold at guild traders or in /zone chat. I'm glad they put such a hefty price tag on it. It shouldn't have been released on the crown store as soon as it was IMO.

The other problem with this, in my eyes, is that it doesn't make crafting a "viable living" in the game. The thought that everyone must have everything just seems ....... I keep trying to express what I'm feeling but find myself at a loss for words with this. If everyone can do everything in game what makes it, for me, feel like I've accomplished something? If everyone can craft every style just by putting money, and not the time it should require, into it what is the point in me crafting at all, when that's a huge part of why I love this game so much? I know this probably doesn't make any sense to many but it might make sense to a few.

Marrtha

[quote="Messy1;2338276"
Crafting:
1) Decrease the amount of mats it takes to craft VR 16 gear (it is already a grind to be able to get some of the good VR15-16 sets in the Dungeons and in PvP so why add an unnecessary crafting grind. Crafting sets have always been available to casual players at high levels, but this new crafting expenditure puts many high level sets of their reach)
[/quote]

Exactly.. One of the ways they are making the game less casual-friendly..

BigM

JD2013 wrote: »

I read through the whole thing, and I have to say that it's one of the most passive aggressive and self righteously opinionated things that I have ever read on these forums.

It is loaded with personal opinions. You certainly do not speak for the community.

Want to know why the game has been having a tough time? Because members of this community come onto the boards and complain. A lot. Begging for things to be fixed to their personal preference. Not what might actually be good for the game. And so things get "fixed" more complaints. More fixes and more complaints. Do you see where I'm going with this?

No matter what ZoS fix not everyone will be happy. No matter what systems ZoS put in, not everyone will be happy.

This game certainly does have troubles and problems. Does it ever. I think that top of the list is people who want the game their way or no way at all.

I agree with some of the points you raise but really bugs that have been in game from start with launcher right thru to current where you can't read what the dungeon story is about from the last patch. Some of these bugs are major and yes it is my opinion, story/launcher should be major fixes at top of list. Not hope they fix it 2 months from now if not longer. Heck launcher bug been around from beta.

Now lets talk about why players come on the board to complain about issues and bugs. When the game went live (on PC/MAC) they asked us to report bots/bugs/major issues. So a lot of us did and yeah the major bot problem took a couple of months to fix but we as a community addon developer and game developer put a major end to the issue.

It was hell at start because you couldn't find anything for crafting, bots would go underground and get them first. Heck addon devs made a addon that could catch the name of bot when you never even seen them.

But now after that they the game developers slowly started to ignore us and am pretty sure that was when ask us anything went up. The questions we asked at first were answered but then it started to where we felt they weren't even reading the questions and the ESO Live comedy laugh show started. Let's get one thing straight I do not blame Gina or Jessica for that, I think they were trying to put on a great show. But for some reason it just started to become a company selling laugh show and didn't really have anything to do with any of our concerns.

So in long run more and more people tried to get answers and some response from the devs on the OFFICIAL forums. That wasn't working and then we started to see reddit was having devs answer stuff over there but nothing that was asked over here. When we asked major questions over on reddit we would be down voted and just be buried to Oblivion.

Now it is just an on going joke to a lot of us on these forums, we get the warning, 72 hour mutes and so on. Some of us laugh at it and just live with it but I do know for a fact it has caused this game/company to lose a lot of customers. I been saying for a very long time they need a better PR person but like most things it is lost in data heaven, or is that data hell? Which ever way it is lost.

Hope I explained it so you can understand why the forums are like they are @JD2013 and people like me are still around because we do LOVE the game and think if they really deal and fix the problems the game will only get better. They just have to stop ignoring us and the bugs.

Nifty2g

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Hello everyone, and how are you today? I'm fine, if anyone was curious. But, I personally want to know how ZOS is doing. Because all and all, decision after decision, I really don't think they're "okay". It seems like mistake after mistake is being made, and while I accept AND understand that we are all human... Some of these things, are just... Not acceptable. Allow me to explain.

The first thing is the game (ESO) itself. As in the mechanics of the game. Whether it be the amount of Tel Var Stones lost in the Imperial City DLC, or the fact that you only have a chance of obtaining the new crafting mats in the Orsinium DLC... While the new writs which ask for said new mats, have a chance to yield horrible rewards upon completion. OR! We can take an even further step back. Let's look at the Veteran Rank system and Champion Point system. Wasn't it supposed to be removed a long time ago? Why is it October 2015, and not only is the system(s) still around -- but new Veteran Ranks were added? C'mon now. And then to go on ahead and admit in a broadcast how you KNEW something was flawed. But, you choose to go on ahead and implement it whilst knowing the high-chance of things backfiring? Something can't be right at these developer meetings you all are having. I'm sorry, but no. It can't be. I'm a programmer (primarily) for my source of income, and if I choose a stunt like that? Not only would I be looking for another job, but my reputation as a reliable programmer would be in the dirt somewhere. And I probably wouldn't be able to get legitimate work anywhere in the states, and would have to work offshore from then on after my screw-up.

Next up, are the unbalanced classes/skills. Do you (ZOS) even play your own game...? Do you PVP, Zenimax...? And no, I don't mean just to test a few things for a week or so. I mean, are you actively apart of your own PVP community? Because if you did, I think you'd have a more "clear" understanding of what the community has been saying. And no, I'm not talking about the "nerfs". I'm talking about in the overall aspect of classes and their respective skills. Wrecking Blow bugs, the Rearming Trap shenanigans, Shield Breaker hijinks, etc. Now I admit, I may not be a rocket scientist. But, I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to know when something is clearly wrong. Cloak having no cool down, or requiring more magicka for each use, etc. You can do better. OR! Better yet! You can do what you SHOULD'VE BEEN DOING and stop having skills overall being effected, just because of things in PVP being abused or exploited. Why? Because, you're clearly hurting the PVE'ers. Let certain skill "fixes" strictly effect PVP, and not effect PVE. Or certain mechanics overall (e.g. stamina regeneration whilst blocking). And yes, I'm aware. It now requires more effort than standing still, and holding block to be a reliable tank. But, I think you really hurt the tanking community of this game badly. Very, very, badly. And don't sit there and LIE in front of everyone's faces, and say it's because of the PVE'ers that stamina regeneration while blocking was done. I've NEVER read OR heard of someone who PVE's complain of their group's tank blocking nonstop, and continuing to regenerate stamina. Never! But, have I read it and heard it from a PVP'er? Yes. Certainly. And the same applies for dodge rolling. But, let's move on.

Lastly, I must say that what you're doing to your own game is suicide. It's like a virus is spreading in the ESO developer community's veins, and the community can't even remedy it. Why? Because, you ignore a large portion of it. Unless, it's a "nerf this" thread, or something completely off the wall and irrelevant. For example, how were you helping the community of players who play this game by putting the Glass armor motif in the Crown Store? That was a tremendous slap in the face of crafters. And whilst the crafting community was healing from that brutal hit, you repeatedly beat them in the wound with the amount of crafting materials required for Veteran Rank 16 armor. Are you serious? And while they are looking at you to stop in the PTS, and begging for you to stop? You put it live, and ignore the pleas to cease. Oh, and you know the next question. This is bad, ZOS... And what's up with you and the layoffs? Someone PLEASE get a templar to heal these wounds at Zenimax. I have hope for you ZOS... But please... PLEASE! Fix "it", whatever "it" is.

I'll extend on my first post about Paul Sage vs Rich Lambert. I feel like what ZOS are doing is trying to bring out all the content they have had for awhile all out at once then to slowly fix the bugs, which seem to be the road they're taking which is fine it keeps people happy and slowly re-balances the game with this Champion System cap, it's not as if they can just up and remove the Champion System and honestly if it was done like this from the start, it would have been an amazing system, but you can't just remove everyone's points and make people equal as a lot of people will become angry their progress is wiped, I personally don't mind if that happened but others will.

Your point about Veteran Ranks being removed it has been said countless times it is still in the works, it was probably an idea by someone who doesn't work at the company anymore and it has to be rewritten or reworked to fix in with the game, it's not a stunt maybe they relooked it and it doesn't fit with the game? Honestly I'm fine with Veteran Ranks there is no real need to remove them other than removing the grind, and like I mentioned before, you are wiping peoples character progression, do you really think that storm will be quiet? A lot of people don't want them removed, I don't see the appeal to it myself.

It's been stated their main content lead plays the game, which is why we're probably starting to see a lot of class re-balance and diversity it probably takes more time than a day to code these changes in, I mean ZOS isn't a huge office, yes I agree a lot of changes to PvP hurt PvE but the thing with PvE it's very easy to balance out than it is to balance out PvP. You just learn to live with the changes and work around the changes, very easy to adapt to and I have seen A LOT of PvE changes I thought would ruin the whole dynamic but most of the time I was wrong, especially with tanking just check out the video I recently had posted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trNzbwuc5yU I was tanking in this and notice how I hold block for 9 minutes. No healer throwing my shards just my own self sustain.

I agree with the crown store it shouldn't add items of that rarity for awhile in there to let crafters have their time, it was a bit of a slap, not much you can do about that though, they are a company and glass motif is going to sell, and it probably did very well. As for the crafting materials, that's pretty fun gives you something to work for. Spend about 30 minutes in the sewers killing mobs and deconning items and you have about 100 materials of what you need. Or just do a few runs of the dungeons with auto loot on.

All in all, I think you need to look at what they're actually doing recently, and by that I mean from when Sage left and we got a new lead someone who actually listens out, I'm hoping the game is going to take a good direction pretty soon once all of their content is out and then we see small fixes/improvements and then start to see even more content. These next 6 months are probably going to be very big for ESO

DisgracefulMind

JD2013 wrote: »

I read through the whole thing, and I have to say that it's one of the most passive aggressive and self righteously opinionated things that I have ever read on these forums.

It is loaded with personal opinions. You certainly do not speak for the community.

Want to know why the game has been having a tough time? Because members of this community come onto the boards and complain. A lot. Begging for things to be fixed to their personal preference. Not what might actually be good for the game. And so things get "fixed" more complaints. More fixes and more complaints. Do you see where I'm going with this?

No matter what ZoS fix not everyone will be happy. No matter what systems ZoS put in, not everyone will be happy.

This game certainly does have troubles and problems. Does it ever. I think that top of the list is people who want the game their way or no way at all.

So much this.

LameoveR

1) Allow players from different factions to /say things to each other

It's most ridiculous suggestion.
DC:Hey noobs
AD:Hi suckers
EP:********************************
Wanna this?

Junkogen

What's with all the hate against cloak. It's a defensive ability with plenty of counters. If we're going to demolish every skill with a nerf bat let's stop shield stacking then. Or how about the fact that sorcs get 3 action bars? Overload, anyone? So a nightblade can cloak? It doesn't supply any damage shield or anything. It just allows the character to go invisible for a few seconds. How about they create abilities that totally negate shields similar to mage light for cloak?

Jitterbug

JD2013 wrote: »

I read through the whole thing, and I have to say that it's one of the most passive aggressive and self righteously opinionated things that I have ever read on these forums.

It is loaded with personal opinions. You certainly do not speak for the community.

Want to know why the game has been having a tough time? Because members of this community come onto the boards and complain. A lot. Begging for things to be fixed to their personal preference. Not what might actually be good for the game. And so things get "fixed" more complaints. More fixes and more complaints. Do you see where I'm going with this?

No matter what ZoS fix not everyone will be happy. No matter what systems ZoS put in, not everyone will be happy.

This game certainly does have troubles and problems. Does it ever. I think that top of the list is people who want the game their way or no way at all.

I agree and disagree.
To me there is clearly something plaguing the infrastructure at ZoS, or at least there has been, and that is why the OP spoke to me.
I feel there is something not right, or harmonic, about the way things are done at ZoS, but maybe that has changed after The Godfather quit. I hope it has. To watch those to scaredy-cats try and interview him on ESO Live was painful, and he seemed like a complete *** to me.
I think the power structure is off in some way, and it seems very oldfashioned.
I have nothing to base that on other than my personal impressions, and I'd be happy to see it change with the change in manangement, but it's still a feeling I've had for a while, and as I read the OP it resonated with me.

evoga

I agree with you. Get rid of CP and crafting and the game will be fun.

Ch4mpTW

Hi everyone, and thank you to all who has replied to this thread. And again, it feels so good to see that there are others who care deeply about ESO, and the direction in which it is headed. However, I wanted to clear-up a few things.

I wanted to say that I was not trying to single-out any particular classes. Nor, was I speaking strictly for the sorcerers. I was merely using examples of certain things which have been of issues of concern that I've noticed. That is all. So no, I was not trying to be biased to other classes. In fact, truth be told. I have 1 of each class, except Nightblades (which I have 1 for competitive play and multiple of for mule reasons).

Also, I wasn't trying to "take shots" at the developers of ESO. Nor was I trying to insult them (the developer team).

The entire point of this thread, was to compile all of the things which were bothering me (and from what seems to be bothering others as well). And place it all in 1 post thread. While also asking ZOS how they're doing, and try to gain some knowledge of things from their point-of-view. Why? So I (and hopefully others) may acquire some understanding as to what's "going on". With knowledge comes understanding (or so it should). Because truth be told, the recent ESO Live broadcastings haven't provided too much insight on certain things that I feel should have light shed on. That is all.