What's Wrong, Zenimax? What's the Issue?

UltimaJoe777

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Another thread about saying ZOS this and ZOS that and do you even play and bla blab yes yes we all heard it before. The real problem is that ZOS appearntly only listens to cry babies and the like 5 popular streams who appearntly speak for us.

NEWS FLASH cry babies don't know what real balance is and the streamers DO NOT in any way speak for us the community so pleases ZOS stop for the love of Nirn stop listing to them.

They listen to everyone, and do what they must. If it happens to be what people are saying then apparently it was needed. Sometimes, though, it backfires on them

Forestd16b14_ESO

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Another thread about saying ZOS this and ZOS that and do you even play and bla blab yes yes we all heard it before. The real problem is that ZOS appearntly only listens to cry babies and the like 5 popular streams who appearntly speak for us.

NEWS FLASH cry babies don't know what real balance is and the streamers DO NOT in any way speak for us the community so pleases ZOS stop for the love of Nirn stop listing to them.

They listen to everyone, and do what they must. If it happens to be what people are saying then apparently it was needed. Sometimes, though, it backfires on them

If they really listen to every one then the game be in alot better place than it is in now.

UltimaJoe777

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Another thread about saying ZOS this and ZOS that and do you even play and bla blab yes yes we all heard it before. The real problem is that ZOS appearntly only listens to cry babies and the like 5 popular streams who appearntly speak for us.

NEWS FLASH cry babies don't know what real balance is and the streamers DO NOT in any way speak for us the community so pleases ZOS stop for the love of Nirn stop listing to them.

They listen to everyone, and do what they must. If it happens to be what people are saying then apparently it was needed. Sometimes, though, it backfires on them

If they really listen to every one then the game be in alot better place than it is in now.

Not quite. Everyone has different opinions and perspectives so it is impossible to please everyone no matter what they do.

alt3rEgo

I had hope for this Game but now I only start it when I have a group for the PvE Content. And even then that game mechanics sometimes kill the fun. Dark Souls with all the deaths was more fun cause you knew why you died and you could see it. In ESO your character sometimes dies and you ask yourself how and why.Afterwards you see it was an archer over there in the far corner shooting around a hill with boss like 18k damage. Or your character dies and your friends have to tell you there was an AoE you were standing in. Invisible for you. I will keep an eye of the progress but if that's what the Game is intended to be it's not my Game.

Jitterbug

UltimaJoe777

alt3rEgo wrote: »

I had hope for this Game but now I only start it when I have a group for the PvE Content. And even then that game mechanics sometimes kill the fun. Dark Souls with all the deaths was more fun cause you knew why you died and you could see it. In ESO your character sometimes dies and you ask yourself how and why.Afterwards you see it was an archer over there in the far corner shooting around a hill with boss like 18k damage. Or your character dies and your friends have to tell you there was an AoE you were standing in. Invisible for you. I will keep an eye of the progress but if that's what the Game is intended to be it's not my Game.

Apparently either your copy of the game or your PC depending on the platform or you in general have issues... As for me, not one of the things you've stated has ever occured at me... Except for that 1 named enemy in City of Ash Normal Difficulty hitting me for 18k with my Armor rating at 13k (or 16k if I was on Sword and Shield at the time) with some attack called Crushing Blow if I recall correctly. Now that was insanity.

Jitterbug

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Hello everyone, and how are you today? I'm fine, if anyone was curious. But, I personally want to know how ZOS is doing. Because all and all, decision after decision, I really don't think they're "okay". It seems like mistake after mistake is being made, and while I accept AND understand that we are all human... Some of these things, are just... Not acceptable. Allow me to explain.

That's just a low blow... So just because things aren't your way Zenimax is "not okay"? You better check yourself before you wreck yourself, punk.

Also for the record the support in this thread is from the same one-track minds that come here only to cry.

First, I think 1992 wants its rhymes back
Second, what was with the "punk"? Seemed out of line to me.

I'm not one of the cryers but I recognize a well crafted post when I see one, and the OP touches some of what is ailing the game I love as I see it as well.

Oh, and I can rhyme as well, this is for you Joe:

My anaconda don't want none
Unless you got buns hon

It's pretty tight if you ask me... :P

FireCowCommando

Meh nevermind.

Belidos

Another post completely loaded with personal opinion.

Well, my opinion is mostly the opposite, apart from the long loading screen issue, lag and some very minor bugs, i'm more than happy with the game and Zos, there is nothing in the game at the moment that would make me stop playing, and they're constantly adding stuff that makes me want to stay even more.

As I've come to realise over the years, those that are unhappy will flock to the forums to complain, those that are happy mostly don't. A few dozen people complaining on the forums and a handful of vloggers whining on their feeds does not a majority make when you consider there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people happily playing the game without complaint.

Are there things I would change? Yes of course. Does it bother me? Not a bit, if I want a game specifically made exactly for my preferences then i'll fork out millions to get it made.

UltimaJoe777

Jitterbug wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Hello everyone, and how are you today? I'm fine, if anyone was curious. But, I personally want to know how ZOS is doing. Because all and all, decision after decision, I really don't think they're "okay". It seems like mistake after mistake is being made, and while I accept AND understand that we are all human... Some of these things, are just... Not acceptable. Allow me to explain.

That's just a low blow... So just because things aren't your way Zenimax is "not okay"? You better check yourself before you wreck yourself, punk.

Also for the record the support in this thread is from the same one-track minds that come here only to cry.

First, I think 1992 wants its rhymes back
Second, what was with the "punk"? Seemed out of line to me.

I'm not one of the cryers but I recognize a well crafted post when I see one, and the OP touches some of what is ailing the game I love as I see it as well.

Oh, and I can rhyme as well, this is for you Joe:

My anaconda don't want none
Unless you got buns hon

It's pretty tight if you ask me... :P

Rrrrriiiiiiiiight... Anyway the punk bit was actually a revision. I was gonna go with kid but chose punk because it goes with the theme of the phrasing lol

Bottom line is it was a d**k move and Zenimax did not deserve it. As for his content of course it touches base on what everyone is yearning for. The forum community here has a one-track mind! Why do you think most of the replies are to threads about the same tired old topics? Not only that but people are constantly making new threads about said topics. Honestly I made a very, very slight skim at some of the rest of his post and instantly knew what the thread was about, especially with the way he introduced it. Sugar-coat it all you like, it's still the sosdt.

Tommy1979AtWar

@UltimaJoe777 it would probably have been more constructive to have actually read the OPs initial post before launching into full on fanboy attack mode, really was no need to insult him or her without knowing fully what the post said, doing so kind of made your look a bit silly... jus sayin.

I agree with the OP and I think they're just a few of many points which need to be raised daily in order to assure ZOS that people would still very much like those issues to be addressed.

Van_0S

Again I am posting this,
Tt's Veteran Rank.
A youtuber that I know stated these issues
https://youtu.be/BzPGVvHWvvQ

BuggeX

tldr:

i`m a sroc and suck, pls buff me to the heaven.


why do you still blame the regen while blocking? ist simple like before to perma block.

UltimaJoe777

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 it would probably have been more constructive to have actually read the OPs initial post before launching into full on fanboy attack mode, really was no need to insult him or her without knowing fully what the post said, doing so kind of made your look a bit silly... jus sayin.

I agree with the OP and I think they're just a few of many points which need to be raised daily in order to assure ZOS that people would still very much like those issues to be addressed.

And everything you said is basically an uninformed way of defending the OP. Who exactly is the "fanboy" here?

By the way why do you people seem to make the real fanboys out to be bad guys or people to shun? Obviously I am no fanboy but there are some actual fans out there. Fangirls too while we're at it.

Tors

There is no veteran rank, its just a higher level than 50.

A rose by any other name is still a rose, and a VR1 character is still 51 (well 52 to be exact as there is no 50)

Belidos

Tors wrote: »

A rose by any other name is still a rose

Very true, little known fact, apple trees are technically part of the Rose (Rosacea) family, as are pears, quinces, apricots, plums, and strawberries

UltimaJoe777

Tors wrote: »

There is no veteran rank, its just a higher level than 50.

A rose by any other name is still a rose, and a VR1 character is still 51 (well 52 to be exact as there is no 50)

Not sure if trolling or actually believes that... The whole VR1 not being Lv50 that is.

Tommy1979AtWar

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 it would probably have been more constructive to have actually read the OPs initial post before launching into full on fanboy attack mode, really was no need to insult him or her without knowing fully what the post said, doing so kind of made your look a bit silly... jus sayin.

I agree with the OP and I think they're just a few of many points which need to be raised daily in order to assure ZOS that people would still very much like those issues to be addressed.

And everything you said is basically an uninformed way of defending the OP. Who exactly is the "fanboy" here?

By the way why do you people seem to make the real fanboys out to be bad guys or people to shun? Obviously I am no fanboy but there are some actual fans out there. Fangirls too while we're at it.

Just...

Marrtha

I agree. There are some serious issues that need urgent resolving, more urgent that fixing the animation of our characters eating while running. I just recently came back after a couple of months break and I cannot believe what I came back to (IC dlc). I really hope they listen to the community for a little bit, and especially fix the crafting requirements atm. Also, that they agree on the endgame 'ranks' and points.

Sausage

Risk and Reward was chosen because not too many games do it. Sometimes its better to do what competitors arent. Speaking of PVP balancing, it wasnt the plan never, ESO is zerg game. There lots of balanced PVP/Arena games out there.

How many time it needs to be said, Trion World did balanced PVP with Rift, and players just abandoned it like some old dog. Balanced PVP is becoming samekind of cancer like raid was, its whined, and when somebody do it, players dont give a damn. I gotta blame the devs though, usually they never reveal their intentions, thats bad business for them.

Elektrakosh

I agree with the OP's post.

Flinging insults is not the way to go. It'll bring one of the moderators out of their slumber. They hate that.

Be nice, people.

UltimaJoe777

Elektrakosh wrote: »

I agree with the OP's post.

Flinging insults is not the way to go. It'll bring one of the moderators out of their slumber. They hate that.

Be nice, people.

Actually a mod is present, or at least one is anyway. However, they honestly don't care what people say as long as it does not violate their code of conduct. That is honestly why OP's introduction to his post is so bothersome. Most haters these days just flail angrily but this guy dropped it like it was dirt under his fingernails. It's the class-act insults that often stand out the most...

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 it would probably have been more constructive to have actually read the OPs initial post before launching into full on fanboy attack mode, really was no need to insult him or her without knowing fully what the post said, doing so kind of made your look a bit silly... jus sayin.

I agree with the OP and I think they're just a few of many points which need to be raised daily in order to assure ZOS that people would still very much like those issues to be addressed.

And everything you said is basically an uninformed way of defending the OP. Who exactly is the "fanboy" here?

By the way why do you people seem to make the real fanboys out to be bad guys or people to shun? Obviously I am no fanboy but there are some actual fans out there. Fangirls too while we're at it.

Just...

I agree. Makes ya wonder why you said it in the first place eh?

Tommy1979AtWar

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

I agree with the OP's post.

Flinging insults is not the way to go. It'll bring one of the moderators out of their slumber. They hate that.

Be nice, people.

Actually a mod is present, or at least one is anyway. However, they honestly don't care what people say as long as it does not violate their code of conduct. That is honestly why OP's introduction to his post is so bothersome. Most haters these days just flail angrily but this guy dropped it like it was dirt under his fingernails. It's the class-act insults that often stand out the most...

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 it would probably have been more constructive to have actually read the OPs initial post before launching into full on fanboy attack mode, really was no need to insult him or her without knowing fully what the post said, doing so kind of made your look a bit silly... jus sayin.

I agree with the OP and I think they're just a few of many points which need to be raised daily in order to assure ZOS that people would still very much like those issues to be addressed.

And everything you said is basically an uninformed way of defending the OP. Who exactly is the "fanboy" here?

By the way why do you people seem to make the real fanboys out to be bad guys or people to shun? Obviously I am no fanboy but there are some actual fans out there. Fangirls too while we're at it.

Just...

I agree. Makes ya wonder why you said it in the first place eh?

Actually I was going to ask which part was uninformed but then remembered a saying which goes "never argue with an idiot, they'll drag your IQ down to their level and beat you with experience everytime" so just facepalmed at the stupidity of your whole post instead... but since you asked.

UltimaJoe777

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

I agree with the OP's post.

Flinging insults is not the way to go. It'll bring one of the moderators out of their slumber. They hate that.

Be nice, people.

Actually a mod is present, or at least one is anyway. However, they honestly don't care what people say as long as it does not violate their code of conduct. That is honestly why OP's introduction to his post is so bothersome. Most haters these days just flail angrily but this guy dropped it like it was dirt under his fingernails. It's the class-act insults that often stand out the most...

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 it would probably have been more constructive to have actually read the OPs initial post before launching into full on fanboy attack mode, really was no need to insult him or her without knowing fully what the post said, doing so kind of made your look a bit silly... jus sayin.

I agree with the OP and I think they're just a few of many points which need to be raised daily in order to assure ZOS that people would still very much like those issues to be addressed.

And everything you said is basically an uninformed way of defending the OP. Who exactly is the "fanboy" here?

By the way why do you people seem to make the real fanboys out to be bad guys or people to shun? Obviously I am no fanboy but there are some actual fans out there. Fangirls too while we're at it.

Just...

I agree. Makes ya wonder why you said it in the first place eh?

Actually I was going to ask which part was uninformed but then remembered a saying which goes "never argue with an idiot, they'll drag your IQ down to their level and beat you with experience everytime" so just facepalmed at the stupidity of your whole post instead... but since you asked.

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

G0ku

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

Forum guerilla tactic, derail the thread with personal attacks to heat the discussion to get the thread closed. Hurts to read your bs as you´re not contributing anything.

Elektrakosh

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

I agree with the OP's post.

Flinging insults is not the way to go. It'll bring one of the moderators out of their slumber. They hate that.

Be nice, people.

Actually a mod is present, or at least one is anyway. However, they honestly don't care what people say as long as it does not violate their code of conduct. That is honestly why OP's introduction to his post is so bothersome. Most haters these days just flail angrily but this guy dropped it like it was dirt under his fingernails. It's the class-act insults that often stand out the most...

Yes, but people are passionate about games. Some are helpful and point out the flaws and bugs that need to be addressed. Those want the game to be great and if the response is passive aggressive, so be it. Others whine about this/that/the other must be nerfed because it hurts their egos and they want to be a superhero taking on many opponents and not getting a scratch. I have found that these nerfs affect PvE and can ruin a perfectly tuned character for PvE. I have been affected and yes, I have to simply "suck it up".

It's okay to be passionate. Sometimes you might as well bash your head on a desk repeatedly if you find someone stubborn who has a fixed opinion on how well/badly a company deals with things. Anyway that is my opinion. If anyone agrees, fine. If not? Who cares.

Remember though, if you do insult, no matter how gently, it can bring out the trolls. Think of it as troll nip. It can attract a whole mess of them.

UltimaJoe777

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

Forum guerilla tactic, derail the thread with personal attacks to heat the discussion to get the thread closed. Hurts to read your bs as you´re not contributing anything.

Um, if I intended to get the thread closed I would've reported his post. No I was simply pointing out the level of wrong in which he introduced his thread. Also there is nothing to contribute to here as well since this is just another one of those rant at Zenimax threads anyway.

Also as I stated before I am just defending Zenimax therefore meaning I am not attacking. If you meant the other guy then yeah I was blocking an attack on me for stating OP attacked Zenimax in a non-chalant way lol

G0ku

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

Forum guerilla tactic, derail the thread with personal attacks to heat the discussion to get the thread closed. Hurts to read your bs as you´re not contributing anything.

Um, if I intended to get the thread closed I would've reported his post. No I was simply pointing out the level of wrong in which he introduced his thread. Also there is nothing to contribute to here as well since this is just another one of those rant at Zenimax threads anyway.

Also as I stated before I am just defending Zenimax therefore meaning I am not attacking. If you meant the other guy then yeah I was blocking an attack on me for stating OP attacked Zenimax in a non-chalant way lol

reading these battles in this thread is like watching some kids accusing each other "he started it, no he startet it" but nevermind

Marrtha

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Projecting yourself on others is the first sign of a problem. You should probably look into that sometime...

Forum guerilla tactic, derail the thread with personal attacks to heat the discussion to get the thread closed. Hurts to read your bs as you´re not contributing anything.

Um, if I intended to get the thread closed I would've reported his post. No I was simply pointing out the level of wrong in which he introduced his thread. Also there is nothing to contribute to here as well since this is just another one of those rant at Zenimax threads anyway.

Also as I stated before I am just defending Zenimax therefore meaning I am not attacking. If you meant the other guy then yeah I was blocking an attack on me for stating OP attacked Zenimax in a non-chalant way lol

It is not wrong to defend Zenimax or disagree with the post, but please, you are way too defensive and immature all the way up to here.
His post was written in a laid-back way, and I consider it a friendly way of explaining what is wrong.
It is even witty. Maybe it draws some attention as all sorts of posts that are posted here, with the same opinions, do not draw any attention despite the arguments that are more than logical, and discussed in a very good manner.
Maybe you think everything is fine and working great, but there will be people who are not happy with it. Casuals, crafters, PvE players, as well as players who prefer PvP. The game needs to be DEVELOPED and worked on, and as it is an online and multiplayer game, they should value players' feedback. Because some ideas may be great on paper but horrible when executed, and who can tell them better than the regular players themselves? I love ESO and I love playing it but I am afraid of it dying and I want to help as well when it goes off the track.
Back to the reason why I started writing this, before you come barging in with insults, take a moment to write an elaborate post why you disagree, give arguments, and we will see where discussion takes us. This is a forum, not a bar.

Belidos

G0ku wrote: »

reading these battles in this thread is like watching some kids accusing each other "he started it, no he startet it" but nevermind

It wasn't me, I didn't do it, you didn't see me, you can't prove a thing!!