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Dear cloak nerf crew,
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DannyLV702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The fact that everyone who isn't a nightblade is complaining about cloak shows there is a problem. My sorcerer has to run the SAME skills on both bars, except that my second bar is dedicated for only nightblades by adding Radiant Light, which really SUCKS! Every other BS option that nightblades talk about using to counter it is almost useless.2 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭cloak IS TO op only fight that I loose now are to wb macorers and stealthers who caltrop/cam and 2 hits stealth repeat till your dead you have no way to target them they move to fast its just a joke that this has been in game like this. ALL the counters are useless against this with the speed they can achieve. Cut stealth movement by 100% and it might make some of the counters work.
I would suggest that the broken two handed skill you mention is the real problem here - but obviously don't want a ban so won't elaborate.GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »The fact that everyone who isn't a nightblade is complaining about cloak shows there is a problem. My sorcerer has to run the SAME skills on both bars, except that my second bar is dedicated for only nightblades by adding Radiant Light, which really SUCKS! Every other BS option that nightblades talk about using to counter it is almost useless.
The reason everyone is complaining is because the skill has only worked for 3 weeks and everyone who has been playing is used to seeing a NB try and cloak, laughing at us for slotting the skill and then just hitting us anyway - now they have to actually try and hit a cloaked character and they would rather post repeatedly and get a nerf instead of slotting one of the many ways to counter it.
This genuinely is a L2P issue because to all intents and purposes this is a new skill that has suddenly been introduced that you need to learn to counter as if it was part of a brand new skill line.
This is highlighted more because ZOS designed IC to be friendly to gankers and the sneaky class finally got their core skill working at the same time.
Personally I feel ZOS should give this longer to bed in before making and adjustments, the good players are already adapting to the working cloak and given time the rest will follow - if it still needs looking at after that has happened then fine.
GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
Legio Mortuum4 -
Lutallo✭✭✭@SourishWhale
Why I think Cloak is OP:
Every class has their own "escape" mechanism, which has it's physical limits because of counters.
Templar has healing, but it can be out-dpsed, major defiled, CC'd and it was nerfed to 50% in PvP.
DK has general tankiness, which can be out-dpsed, hard CC'd and now has taken a massive hit from the stam-block-nerf
Sorcs have their streak, which can be easily countered by any charge, which most PvP players have at their disposal (crit rush, ambush, toppling charge, another streak) and has been severely nerfed with 50% cost.
Then we have Nightblade's Cloaking, no nerf received in the latest update (a buff, instead).
All the above 'escape' mechanisms result in complete resource depletion and eventual death (except maybe streak). They also have very simple counters, with the only exception being a charge needed for Streakers.
Cloak can be countered by AoE's, revealing flare, detect invis, caltrops and DoT's.
AoE's have minimal effect, it can be recloaked.
Revealing Flare is a good hard counter, but it can be cleansed off and stealth can be re-entered. Also it's magicka only, expensive to cast and requires alliance levelling.
Detect invis is expensive to run, plus double take is a counter to this, which almost every NB runs.
Caltrops is a good counter, one which I like to use, but is stamina only.
DoT's are good, but most nightblades can either cleanse or have the morph that removes DoT's.
All these counters requires very specific skills to run. Cloak can't simply be CC'd or Out-Dpsed. You have to have skills to counter cloak, which most people don't factor into their PvP builds and so there is an outrage at NBs. Less outrage at Streak because most people have a charge in their PvP bar.
With cloak, the escape is way too efficient and it can even be used for an offence. You can use cloaking to reset battles, to gank people, to heal up and repeatedly cloaking to gain the critical hit if you have the morph. To make matters worse, the cost and timing of cloak makes it more annoying. My Stam Nightblade can cloak about 10 times if I use a pot, whilst most Magicka NB's can cloak indefinitely. On my stamina nightblade, pop rally, pop vigor, cloak and i'm at full health, ready to critically strike the guy who is still wasting his resources trying to find me with tiny AoE's.
So, why is cloak OP? Because it's by far the most efficient escape, it can be used to gank, it can be used to heal, it can be used to run away, it can be used to get a critical hit, it can be used to remove effects and it can be used to reset battles. Imagine if any other class had a 7-in-1 ability?
"Rock is too OP, please nerf"
Sincerely, Scissors.2 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭SourishWhale wrote: »For one! To efficiently escape, many nightblades have an entire back bar dedicated to running away.
Cloak to stealth
Purge to wipe marks
Double take to get away quickly
Shuffle to remove snares
Some even run vield strike just for the movement speed.
Dedicating half your skill slots to stay alive, is kinda mandatory for any class if solo or small scale. So not sure I get the big sacrifice.
I need to slot Purge/Purify on all my classes. I also use armor skills like Shuffle or Harness on all my classes. Than there's the templar and DK, they cant even get magicka based Major Expedition to begin with, so cry me a river, you have mobility and get to slot Double Take lol.
But more on Topic. I only feel Cloak is a issue in IC really. There's a reason all our NB's gets home banking 10k stones every single day, while the rest looses most on the way. But in actual Cyrodiil, it's much easier to counter cloak, you can AoE bomb all over the place, limited hiding and LoS spots, you can keep target lock easy without NPC's getting in front. Also very little gain from escaping.0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not a member of the "Cloak Nerf Crew" and even I find the original post full of half-truths and exaggerations.
Poor NBs have to slot purge? The horror! It's not like purge is an excellent utility spell that removes all sorts of negative effects and is the reason why people think Zergs are OP. And you are complaining about double take? Because having major evasion and expedition is inconvenient for an offensive minded NB?
What NB in the game moves at the standard sneak speed besides none of them?
Did you just call DK beasts? Have you not even logged into Cyrodiil lately?
Your entire premise assumes that the issue people have with cloak is that it allows the NB to escape. If you actually read their posts, their main concern is not chasing down a "cowardly" NB, rather it is having to face an brave NB who aggressively uses cloak.
Now, since I play a DK and I know what it feels like to log into a class that was utterly eviscerated and just plain sucks now, I have some sympathy for what NBs fear. So I'd rather the dev team not nerf cloak and instead give other classes something to do except slotting a bad skill that requires PvP rank 14 (!), drink a potion that is lazy not to mention dumb, and running around like a headless chicken spamming AoEs and wasting their resources. Your post isn;t exactly contributing to an honest dialogue that might make that happen.Edited by Joy_Division on September 25, 2015 2:33PM1 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.0 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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Xeven✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont want a nerf to cloak for NB who use it for crits, stuns, and escapes, strategically. I want a nerf to cloak for NB who dont actually fight. They just use it for griefing. Cloak surprise attack wrecking blow *vanish*. Over and over and over.
Unfortunately there is no way to do that without punishing NB who actually DO fight.
Regen must be reduced while cloaked, or it must get the bolt escape treatment. It is way, way, too spammable.
Edited by Xeven on September 25, 2015 3:28PM0 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I dont want a nerf to cloak for NB who use it for crits, stuns, and escapes, strategically. I want a nerf to cloak for NB who dont actually fight. They just use it for griefing. Cloak surprise attack wrecking blow *vanish*. Over and over and over.
Unfortunately there is no way to do that without punishing NB who actually DO fight.
Regen must be reduced while cloaked, or it must get the bolt escape treatment. It is way, way, too spammable.
Only for magicka builds - 3 will drain my magicka as a stamina NB.
In your scenario the skill that is broken and needs fixing is not cloak and it is not surprise attack - I'll let you guess which one I mean.GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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thelordoffelines✭✭✭✭✭I cant wait till cloak gets nerfed. I dont think its op its just retribution for all the unneeded nerfs and bs mechanics they whined into existance. Just like we didnt need shield breaker, we dont need this but your tears will taste sooooooo gooooooood.3
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.
Where was it ever explicitly stated that single target spells already on their way to the NB would not break cloak? In the tooltip? AFAIK it was never suppose to work that way.
But they made it that way for 2.1, so it's a buff to me. A design change. A way to make it better , more powerful and easier to use.
Again unless you can dig up a quote from a dev saying that I am just going to assume they changed it so that it was stronger. And I'm not complaining about cloak anyway.0 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.
Where was it ever explicitly stated that single target spells already on their way to the NB would not break cloak? In the tooltip? AFAIK it was never suppose to work that way.
But they made it that way for 2.1, so it's a buff to me. A design change. A way to make it better , more powerful and easier to use.
Again unless you can dig up a quote from a dev saying that I am just going to assume they changed it so that it was stronger. And I'm not complaining about cloak anyway.
I recall reading a few stray things ZOS did in the past to try to fix cloak. I checked all the patch notes and found no mention of them but if all of these minor tweaks are still on the skill I wonder what the tooltip would look like.0 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.
Where was it ever explicitly stated that single target spells already on their way to the NB would not break cloak? In the tooltip? AFAIK it was never suppose to work that way.
But they made it that way for 2.1, so it's a buff to me. A design change. A way to make it better , more powerful and easier to use.
Again unless you can dig up a quote from a dev saying that I am just going to assume they changed it so that it was stronger. And I'm not complaining about cloak anyway.
I recall reading a few stray things ZOS did in the past to try to fix cloak. I checked all the patch notes and found no mention of them but if all of these minor tweaks are still on the skill I wonder what the tooltip would look like.
They made it so your own DoT's won't break your cloak (that took many patches as it seems they have to do it on a skill by skill basis) because that would make all DoT's pointless for NB's. But in other games I have played, being able to track players in stealth by using skills with channels, or projectiles is actually a feature. A counter-play. Now these skills just drop out (correct me if wrong) and stop working altogether.
To me these types of counter-plays are more interesting than "slot RML", or "use detect potion" since they have value on your bar outside of just countering NB's.0 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.
Where was it ever explicitly stated that single target spells already on their way to the NB would not break cloak? In the tooltip? AFAIK it was never suppose to work that way.
But they made it that way for 2.1, so it's a buff to me. A design change. A way to make it better , more powerful and easier to use.
Again unless you can dig up a quote from a dev saying that I am just going to assume they changed it so that it was stronger. And I'm not complaining about cloak anyway.
I recall reading a few stray things ZOS did in the past to try to fix cloak. I checked all the patch notes and found no mention of them but if all of these minor tweaks are still on the skill I wonder what the tooltip would look like.
Very hard to read because of the tiny writing.GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.
Where was it ever explicitly stated that single target spells already on their way to the NB would not break cloak? In the tooltip? AFAIK it was never suppose to work that way.
But they made it that way for 2.1, so it's a buff to me. A design change. A way to make it better , more powerful and easier to use.
Again unless you can dig up a quote from a dev saying that I am just going to assume they changed it so that it was stronger. And I'm not complaining about cloak anyway.
I recall reading a few stray things ZOS did in the past to try to fix cloak. I checked all the patch notes and found no mention of them but if all of these minor tweaks are still on the skill I wonder what the tooltip would look like.
Very hard to read because of the tiny writing.
"Become invisible. While invisible your are immune to all single target spells, but can still be revealed by area of effect damage. Taking any aggressive action will break stealth, but your own currently active DoT's will not reveal you.
[secondary morph effect here]"
Would that about cover it?0 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭To all the people who are happy Cloak is supposedly getting nerfed:
The nerf to Cloak that ZOS has proposed will solve about zero of the problems that you scrubs have regarding Cloak.2 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.
Where was it ever explicitly stated that single target spells already on their way to the NB would not break cloak? In the tooltip? AFAIK it was never suppose to work that way.
But they made it that way for 2.1, so it's a buff to me. A design change. A way to make it better , more powerful and easier to use.
Again unless you can dig up a quote from a dev saying that I am just going to assume they changed it so that it was stronger. And I'm not complaining about cloak anyway.
I recall reading a few stray things ZOS did in the past to try to fix cloak. I checked all the patch notes and found no mention of them but if all of these minor tweaks are still on the skill I wonder what the tooltip would look like.
Very hard to read because of the tiny writing.
"Become invisible. While invisible your are immune to all single target spells, but can still be revealed by area of effect damage. Taking any aggressive action will break stealth, but your own currently active DoT's will not reveal you.
[secondary morph effect here]"
Would that about cover it?
Who knows. ZOS did a lot of patch work when fixing a lot of the nb skills in the past. They probably have little idea as to what exactly is in the skill.Lava_Croft wrote: »To all the people who are happy Cloak is supposedly getting nerfed:
The nerf to Cloak that ZOS has proposed will solve about zero of the problems that you scrubs have regarding Cloak.
Yep, the joy of ZOS balance changes.0 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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It has nothing to do with ZOS, but it has everything to do with total scrubs who are bad at this game and just want to hear the word 'Nerf' in order to be satisfied. The fact that said nerf is doing nothing to decrease their incredible level of suck is completely beyond them.SuraklinPrime wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.
Where was it ever explicitly stated that single target spells already on their way to the NB would not break cloak? In the tooltip? AFAIK it was never suppose to work that way.
But they made it that way for 2.1, so it's a buff to me. A design change. A way to make it better , more powerful and easier to use.
Again unless you can dig up a quote from a dev saying that I am just going to assume they changed it so that it was stronger. And I'm not complaining about cloak anyway.
I recall reading a few stray things ZOS did in the past to try to fix cloak. I checked all the patch notes and found no mention of them but if all of these minor tweaks are still on the skill I wonder what the tooltip would look like.
Very hard to read because of the tiny writing.
"Become invisible. While invisible your are immune to all single target spells, but can still be revealed by area of effect damage. Taking any aggressive action will break stealth, but your own currently active DoT's will not reveal you.
[secondary morph effect here]"
Would that about cover it?
Who knows. ZOS did a lot of patch work when fixing a lot of the nb skills in the past. They probably have little idea as to what exactly is in the skill.Lava_Croft wrote: »To all the people who are happy Cloak is supposedly getting nerfed:
The nerf to Cloak that ZOS has proposed will solve about zero of the problems that you scrubs have regarding Cloak.
Yep, the joy of ZOS balance changes.
They'll make new threads.
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Xeven✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
It has nothing to do with ZOS, but it has everything to do with total scrubs who are bad at this game and just want to hear the word 'Nerf' in order to be satisfied. The fact that said nerf is doing nothing to decrease their incredible level of suck is completely beyond them.SuraklinPrime wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.
Where was it ever explicitly stated that single target spells already on their way to the NB would not break cloak? In the tooltip? AFAIK it was never suppose to work that way.
But they made it that way for 2.1, so it's a buff to me. A design change. A way to make it better , more powerful and easier to use.
Again unless you can dig up a quote from a dev saying that I am just going to assume they changed it so that it was stronger. And I'm not complaining about cloak anyway.
I recall reading a few stray things ZOS did in the past to try to fix cloak. I checked all the patch notes and found no mention of them but if all of these minor tweaks are still on the skill I wonder what the tooltip would look like.
Very hard to read because of the tiny writing.
"Become invisible. While invisible your are immune to all single target spells, but can still be revealed by area of effect damage. Taking any aggressive action will break stealth, but your own currently active DoT's will not reveal you.
[secondary morph effect here]"
Would that about cover it?
Who knows. ZOS did a lot of patch work when fixing a lot of the nb skills in the past. They probably have little idea as to what exactly is in the skill.Lava_Croft wrote: »To all the people who are happy Cloak is supposedly getting nerfed:
The nerf to Cloak that ZOS has proposed will solve about zero of the problems that you scrubs have regarding Cloak.
Yep, the joy of ZOS balance changes.
They'll make new threads.
Because ZOS listens to the players, and have no minds of their own, right? They obviously think it needs adjustment.
You sound mad bro. I'm sorry.0 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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Like I've said before, I'm not mad in the slightest about the proposed nerf to Cloak. I'm just trying to point out to the bads that this supposed nerf will not help them and that they should prepare their new torrent of nerf threads.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It has nothing to do with ZOS, but it has everything to do with total scrubs who are bad at this game and just want to hear the word 'Nerf' in order to be satisfied. The fact that said nerf is doing nothing to decrease their incredible level of suck is completely beyond them.SuraklinPrime wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.
Where was it ever explicitly stated that single target spells already on their way to the NB would not break cloak? In the tooltip? AFAIK it was never suppose to work that way.
But they made it that way for 2.1, so it's a buff to me. A design change. A way to make it better , more powerful and easier to use.
Again unless you can dig up a quote from a dev saying that I am just going to assume they changed it so that it was stronger. And I'm not complaining about cloak anyway.
I recall reading a few stray things ZOS did in the past to try to fix cloak. I checked all the patch notes and found no mention of them but if all of these minor tweaks are still on the skill I wonder what the tooltip would look like.
Very hard to read because of the tiny writing.
"Become invisible. While invisible your are immune to all single target spells, but can still be revealed by area of effect damage. Taking any aggressive action will break stealth, but your own currently active DoT's will not reveal you.
[secondary morph effect here]"
Would that about cover it?
Who knows. ZOS did a lot of patch work when fixing a lot of the nb skills in the past. They probably have little idea as to what exactly is in the skill.Lava_Croft wrote: »To all the people who are happy Cloak is supposedly getting nerfed:
The nerf to Cloak that ZOS has proposed will solve about zero of the problems that you scrubs have regarding Cloak.
Yep, the joy of ZOS balance changes.
They'll make new threads.
Because ZOS listens to the players, and have no minds of their own, right? They obviously think it needs adjustment.
You sound mad bro. I'm sorry.
Edited by Lava_Croft on September 25, 2015 5:54PM2 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Like I've said before, I'm not mad in the slightest about the proposed nerf to Cloak. I'm just trying to point out to the bads that this supposed nerf will not help them and that they should prepare their new torrent of nerf threads.Lava_Croft wrote: »
It has nothing to do with ZOS, but it has everything to do with total scrubs who are bad at this game and just want to hear the word 'Nerf' in order to be satisfied. The fact that said nerf is doing nothing to decrease their incredible level of suck is completely beyond them.SuraklinPrime wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »Cloak ain't so bad. It's fear that's the problem.
With the buff to Cloak and the nerf to perma-blocking, should fear still go through block?
Maybe that's for another thread.
There is no buff to cloak - they simply mostly fixed it after well over a year of it being broken. That sort of false information doesn't help anyone.
Where was it ever explicitly stated that single target spells already on their way to the NB would not break cloak? In the tooltip? AFAIK it was never suppose to work that way.
But they made it that way for 2.1, so it's a buff to me. A design change. A way to make it better , more powerful and easier to use.
Again unless you can dig up a quote from a dev saying that I am just going to assume they changed it so that it was stronger. And I'm not complaining about cloak anyway.
I recall reading a few stray things ZOS did in the past to try to fix cloak. I checked all the patch notes and found no mention of them but if all of these minor tweaks are still on the skill I wonder what the tooltip would look like.
Very hard to read because of the tiny writing.
"Become invisible. While invisible your are immune to all single target spells, but can still be revealed by area of effect damage. Taking any aggressive action will break stealth, but your own currently active DoT's will not reveal you.
[secondary morph effect here]"
Would that about cover it?
Who knows. ZOS did a lot of patch work when fixing a lot of the nb skills in the past. They probably have little idea as to what exactly is in the skill.Lava_Croft wrote: »To all the people who are happy Cloak is supposedly getting nerfed:
The nerf to Cloak that ZOS has proposed will solve about zero of the problems that you scrubs have regarding Cloak.
Yep, the joy of ZOS balance changes.
They'll make new threads.
Because ZOS listens to the players, and have no minds of their own, right? They obviously think it needs adjustment.
You sound mad bro. I'm sorry.
I think a change to the phrase is needed now: "The nerfing will continue until morale our skill improves"0 -
rordogg✭✭✭
Because it gives you the ability to continually reset the fight until you do win. Not saying you do it yourself. But many a Nightblade has attacked me. And then run off. And waiting for me to start killing npcs. And then attacks me again and runs away. Make it so mobs will see through your cloak and I have no further complaint.0 -
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How did running away make a sorc win - lololol?!<Noricum>
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »To all the people who are happy Cloak is supposedly getting nerfed:
The nerf to Cloak that ZOS has proposed will solve about zero of the problems that you scrubs have regarding Cloak.
Secret: I don´t have issues with cloak nor did i have any with bolt escape or shields. I simply enjoy the flailing and wailing of the nightblades. Also it´s fun when the others get hit by the nerfhammer. Tehehe.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
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Because it gives you the ability to continually reset the fight until you do win. Not saying you do it yourself. But many a Nightblade has attacked me. And then run off. And waiting for me to start killing npcs. And then attacks me again and runs away. Make it so mobs will see through your cloak and I have no further complaint.
So the problem are the NPCs? Maybe people should start using them more strategically... you know, DKs have a chain and there are those nice invis potions...
just an idea...Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
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For people like you, ZOS adds gear like Shield Breaker.Lava_Croft wrote: »To all the people who are happy Cloak is supposedly getting nerfed:
The nerf to Cloak that ZOS has proposed will solve about zero of the problems that you scrubs have regarding Cloak.
Secret: I don´t have issues with cloak nor did i have any with bolt escape or shields. I simply enjoy the flailing and wailing of the nightblades. Also it´s fun when the others get hit by the nerfhammer. Tehehe.
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Mr_Nobody✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »I'm not a member of the "Cloak Nerf Crew" and even I find the original post full of half-truths and exaggerations.
Poor NBs have to slot purge? The horror! It's not like purge is an excellent utility spell that removes all sorts of negative effects and is the reason why people think Zergs are OP. And you are complaining about double take? Because having major evasion and expedition is inconvenient for an offensive minded NB?
What NB in the game moves at the standard sneak speed besides none of them?
Did you just call DK beasts? Have you not even logged into Cyrodiil lately?
Your entire premise assumes that the issue people have with cloak is that it allows the NB to escape. If you actually read their posts, their main concern is not chasing down a "cowardly" NB, rather it is having to face an brave NB who aggressively uses cloak.
Now, since I play a DK and I know what it feels like to log into a class that was utterly eviscerated and just plain sucks now, I have some sympathy for what NBs fear. So I'd rather the dev team not nerf cloak and instead give other classes something to do except slotting a bad skill that requires PvP rank 14 (!), drink a potion that is lazy not to mention dumb, and running around like a headless chicken spamming AoEs and wasting their resources. Your post isn;t exactly contributing to an honest dialogue that might make that happen.
For a moment i thought i wrote this.
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Volrion✭✭✭✭All I'm seeing is a ton of L2P scrubs complaining to be honest.
"You can pull a NB out of cloak but then he goes straight back into it..." - As soon as he comes out of cloak, gap close and CC him! You can't cloak when you can't control your character... While he's CC'd burn him to the ground. I do this all the time with my non NB characters and it works fine.
We need to stop all the scrubs having influence on nerfs and PVP patches.
If you can't kill a cloaking NB, I'd love to see how to fare against all the other classes in general.
Nerf's to all classes are making this game very boring.1