This game is so disappointing because you have no freedom.

JD2013

Everyone take a deep breath.

Repeat after me;

This is not Skyrim Online. This is not Elder Scrolls VI.

And repeat.

This game has never been a traditional Elder Scrolls game. It is an MMO set in the Elder Scrolls universe. Even from the very first footage that I ever saw of this game, I could tell that. Then I weighed up all of the pros and cons. "Do I want to play an mmo set in Tamriel, or do I want to wait for a new main series Elder Scrolls game?" Signed up for beta. Been here ever since. No plans to stop playing.

We have two kinds of players in this community. People who play Elder Scrolls and people who play mmo's. I had of course played mmo's before, so I kind of knew what to expect. There's a lot of players here who haven't and don't know what an mmo plays like, so they just expect a normal ES experience. Sadly, without a separate server for each player, a lot of the elements of a traditional ES game would not work.

There are of course elements from a traditional ES game that aren't in yet and could be. Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild (both coming as DLC #3 and DLC #4) different magic schools, whilst they would be most welcome, would create huge balance issues if everyone can get them via Spellcrafting. Daedric Artefacts? Lovely idea. But to see more than one of each in game would be weird and slightly jarring. Scaling everything to your level? Scaling only really became a thing in Skyrim, and barring a separate server for each and every player, with lots of players around you, there's no great way to make it work.

Zenimax are caught between a rock and a hard place. Trying to appease two groups of players who will never agree on things. So how about either liking the game for what it is - an mmo set in the Elder Scrolls universe, if you don't then there's 5 other Elder Scrolls games to choose from.

Callous2208

JD2013 wrote: »

Everyone take a deep breath.

Repeat after me;

This is not Skyrim Online. This is not Elder Scrolls VI.

And repeat.

This game has never been a traditional Elder Scrolls game. It is an MMO set in the Elder Scrolls universe. Even from the very first footage that I ever saw of this game, I could tell that. Then I weighed up all of the pros and cons. "Do I want to play an mmo set in Tamriel, or do I want to wait for a new main series Elder Scrolls game?" Signed up for beta. Been here ever since. No plans to stop playing.

We have two kinds of players in this community. People who play Elder Scrolls and people who play mmo's. I had of course played mmo's before, so I kind of knew what to expect. There's a lot of players here who haven't and don't know what an mmo plays like, so they just expect a normal ES experience. Sadly, without a separate server for each player, a lot of the elements of a traditional ES game would not work.

There are of course elements from a traditional ES game that aren't in yet and could be. Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild (both coming as DLC #3 and DLC #4) different magic schools, whilst they would be most welcome, would create huge balance issues if everyone can get them via Spellcrafting. Daedric Artefacts? Lovely idea. But to see more than one of each in game would be weird and slightly jarring. Scaling everything to your level? Scaling only really became a thing in Skyrim, and barring a separate server for each and every player, with lots of players around you, there's no great way to make it work.

Zenimax are caught between a rock and a hard place. Trying to appease two groups of players who will never agree on things. So how about either liking the game for what it is - an mmo set in the Elder Scrolls universe, if you don't then there's 5 other Elder Scrolls games to choose from.

Quoted for truth. Couldn't have said it better myself. /endthread

hedna123b14_ESO

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

If your clearing a zone in 6 hours when the average for someone questing/wandering/crafting/gathering/delving is 250-400 across all zones then the loss of freedom is self inflicted since you are Systematically rushing through content. Your freedom is limited to the routes you take.

If you've never played an MMO I can see you clearing a zone in 10..
Maybe 12 hours, but no more than this...if it's taking you longer than you're intentionally not wanting to progress. You must be hitting /Sitchair and looking at the trees...

Gidorick

@JD2013

Gidorick wrote: »

The thing is, Bethesda, Zenimax, and ZOS all speak of ESO as "Elder Scrolls with friends." This is how the game was and is still advertised. Those of us who have been here since beta didn't have any research available to us, just the pre-release info. Many of us are from the TES side of the fanbase and we are clinging on out of what may ultimately be revealed to be futile hope.

If you're here just because ESO is an MMO, and you care little to nothing for the TES franchise, there are other MMOs for you to play. There are other MMOs that offer what ESO offers, as an MMO. If a "better" MMO comes along many of the MMO players here will pick up their free time and go spend it on that new game without batting an eye. This isn't the case for the TES players.

If you're here because ESO is a TES game, and you are a new or long time fan of the TES franchise, there is no other game available. There is no other Elder Scrolls game that is multiplayer. There are no other options. This is it. There will be no other Multiplayer TES game coming in the foreseeable future.

That is why I still hope ESO will eventually become the TES game I was hoping it was gong to be and it's the reason I've posted dozens of concepts for ESO on this forum (HERE). I long for a game which doesn't (yet?) exist and I really hope ZOS will see that there an ESO sized hole in the gaming landscape that ESO almost... ALMOST fills.

I just hope that too much of the TES community hasn't given up on ESO. I hope those that have left can be enticed back because when the next MMO comes out and the Min/Maxing MMO players hop to the next new thing, we will still be here... hoping.

Pretty much ANY trope of ESO can be modified and could work within the MMO landscape.

Different Magic Schools? We already have portions of the magic schools in ESO. In the time of ESO the Mages Guild is still new and they haven't categorized magic into individual schools yet. One skill-lines in ESO can easily contain spells from multiple schools of magic.

Daedric Artifacts? How about artifact shards?

Scaled leveling? Scale the player to the zone not the zone to the player. It's been done in MMOs before (Guild Wars 2).

I would like to repeat a note from my quoted posted above in response to you saying:

JD2013 wrote: »

if you don't then there's 5 other Elder Scrolls games to choose from.

There is no other multiplayer Elder Scrolls in existence. Those of us who came here looking for a multiplayer TES game have absolutely nowhere else to go... and we are simply wanting what Bethesda and ZOS have been saying they are providing.

There are dozens upon dozens of MMOs. There is nothing that will insure the downfall of this game faster than ZOS catering exclusively to the MMO crowd. We will see if this is the case with the release of Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood.

JD2013

Gidorick wrote: »

@JD2013

Gidorick wrote: »

The thing is, Bethesda, Zenimax, and ZOS all speak of ESO as "Elder Scrolls with friends." This is how the game was and is still advertised. Those of us who have been here since beta didn't have any research available to us, just the pre-release info. Many of us are from the TES side of the fanbase and we are clinging on out of what may ultimately be revealed to be futile hope.

If you're here just because ESO is an MMO, and you care little to nothing for the TES franchise, there are other MMOs for you to play. There are other MMOs that offer what ESO offers, as an MMO. If a "better" MMO comes along many of the MMO players here will pick up their free time and go spend it on that new game without batting an eye. This isn't the case for the TES players.

If you're here because ESO is a TES game, and you are a new or long time fan of the TES franchise, there is no other game available. There is no other Elder Scrolls game that is multiplayer. There are no other options. This is it. There will be no other Multiplayer TES game coming in the foreseeable future.

That is why I still hope ESO will eventually become the TES game I was hoping it was gong to be and it's the reason I've posted dozens of concepts for ESO on this forum (HERE). I long for a game which doesn't (yet?) exist and I really hope ZOS will see that there an ESO sized hole in the gaming landscape that ESO almost... ALMOST fills.

I just hope that too much of the TES community hasn't given up on ESO. I hope those that have left can be enticed back because when the next MMO comes out and the Min/Maxing MMO players hop to the next new thing, we will still be here... hoping.

Pretty much ANY trope of ESO can be modified and could work within the MMO landscape.

Different Magic Schools? We already have portions of the magic schools in ESO. In the time of ESO the Mages Guild is still new and they haven't categorized magic into individual schools yet. One skill-lines in ESO can easily contain spells from multiple schools of magic.

Daedric Artifacts? How about artifact shards?

Scaled leveling? Scale the player to the zone not the zone to the player. It's been done in MMOs before (Guild Wars 2).

I would like to repeat a note from my quoted posted above in response to you saying:

JD2013 wrote: »

if you don't then there's 5 other Elder Scrolls games to choose from.

There is no other multiplayer Elder Scrolls in existence. Those of us who came here looking for a multiplayer TES game have absolutely nowhere else to go... and we are simply wanting what Bethesda and ZOS have been saying they are providing.

There are dozens upon dozens of MMOs. There is nothing that will insure the downfall of this game faster than ZOS catering exclusively to the MMO crowd. We will see if this is the case with the release of Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood.

Ah, but is it not also rather a rude presumption that Zenimax should ignore the PVP crowd and just cater to the PVE crowd? How is your money that you paid for the game worth more than the same money a PVP player has paid?

And is not saying "those here for the mmo side have lots of other mmo's to go and play" not the same as me saying people have 5 other Elder Scrolls to play? They may not be with friends, but this is an mmo first. I'm sorry to break it to you. But it's just not a traditional ES game. I booted up Morrowind the other day and it's so very different to this game.

mdziur

The bottom line is there should be no restrictions. All the restrictions that have been instituted are because of the whiners complaining their characters are weak.

You MMO whiners ruined the game for everyone. Congrats!

Go back to WoW or Destiny and let Bethesda/Zenimax put the game back to what it is supposed to be...a free-roam, non-restrictive MMO where we can build the GOD LIKE characters we want.

Callous2208

I would not use GW2 in a positive light to argue for scaling. I don't miss playing a game where better gear, stats, levels or skills had zero bearing on your success in pve. From 1 to 80 I was a child handheld through pretty colored zones doing 1 damage to every boss and bunny. The only thing that changed was at max level I had a prettier costume.

Gilvoth

the advertisement for eso said

"quote"

it's elderscrolls, but it's onlline"

"end quote"

we were led to believe it was elderscrolls but online, so for those insulting us, and saying we are basicly "stupid" for expecting elderscrolls and morrowind, and oblivion, and skyrim to be in a part of and included in eso,

"your wrong"

Gidorick

JD2013 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

@JD2013

Gidorick wrote: »

The thing is, Bethesda, Zenimax, and ZOS all speak of ESO as "Elder Scrolls with friends." This is how the game was and is still advertised. Those of us who have been here since beta didn't have any research available to us, just the pre-release info. Many of us are from the TES side of the fanbase and we are clinging on out of what may ultimately be revealed to be futile hope.

If you're here just because ESO is an MMO, and you care little to nothing for the TES franchise, there are other MMOs for you to play. There are other MMOs that offer what ESO offers, as an MMO. If a "better" MMO comes along many of the MMO players here will pick up their free time and go spend it on that new game without batting an eye. This isn't the case for the TES players.

If you're here because ESO is a TES game, and you are a new or long time fan of the TES franchise, there is no other game available. There is no other Elder Scrolls game that is multiplayer. There are no other options. This is it. There will be no other Multiplayer TES game coming in the foreseeable future.

That is why I still hope ESO will eventually become the TES game I was hoping it was gong to be and it's the reason I've posted dozens of concepts for ESO on this forum (HERE). I long for a game which doesn't (yet?) exist and I really hope ZOS will see that there an ESO sized hole in the gaming landscape that ESO almost... ALMOST fills.

I just hope that too much of the TES community hasn't given up on ESO. I hope those that have left can be enticed back because when the next MMO comes out and the Min/Maxing MMO players hop to the next new thing, we will still be here... hoping.

Pretty much ANY trope of ESO can be modified and could work within the MMO landscape.

Different Magic Schools? We already have portions of the magic schools in ESO. In the time of ESO the Mages Guild is still new and they haven't categorized magic into individual schools yet. One skill-lines in ESO can easily contain spells from multiple schools of magic.

Daedric Artifacts? How about artifact shards?

Scaled leveling? Scale the player to the zone not the zone to the player. It's been done in MMOs before (Guild Wars 2).

I would like to repeat a note from my quoted posted above in response to you saying:

JD2013 wrote: »

if you don't then there's 5 other Elder Scrolls games to choose from.

There is no other multiplayer Elder Scrolls in existence. Those of us who came here looking for a multiplayer TES game have absolutely nowhere else to go... and we are simply wanting what Bethesda and ZOS have been saying they are providing.

There are dozens upon dozens of MMOs. There is nothing that will insure the downfall of this game faster than ZOS catering exclusively to the MMO crowd. We will see if this is the case with the release of Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood.

Ah, but is it not also rather a rude presumption that Zenimax should ignore the PVP crowd and just cater to the PVE crowd? How is your money that you paid for the game worth more than the same money a PVP player has paid?

And is not saying "those here for the mmo side have lots of other mmo's to go and play" not the same as me saying people have 5 other Elder Scrolls to play? They may not be with friends, but this is an mmo first. I'm sorry to break it to you. But it's just not a traditional ES game. I booted up Morrowind the other day and it's so very different to this game.

I said exclusively cater to the MMO crowd. They should attempt to appease both the MMO crowd and the TES crowd, and this is NOT the PVP and PVE crowd. From what I can see Orsinium is still very much following the tropes of an MMO release. To cater to the TES crowd, ZOS needs to make ESO an experience with more freedom and choice of play. The justice system and improvements on fishing are initial steps in both of those systems in the right direction. Just because a player is a TES player doesn't mean they don't want PVP... but PVP in the form of a structured Arena, or friendly fire may be more TES-like than the ESO we have now.

As it is now, it pretty much seems like 1-50 is TES with friends... Vet Ranks & Beyond are for MMO players. I wonder if ZOS expects the TES fans to "come around" or if they expect TES fans to just go away after the 1-50. I think post 50 gameplay can cater to both crowds by offering activities for both types of players to play.

And no, me saying there are other MMOs for you to play is not the same as you saying there are other TES games to play because there are absolutely ZERO other Multiplayer TES games that TES fan can go play. As an MMO player, what is it about ESO that appeals to you? For many TES players, the appeal is simply "the prospect of playing Elder Scrolls with my friends".... and there is no where else for those players to go to try to get that.

I very much know what this game is, know what it could be, and know what it will likely never be. That doesn't stop me from hoping and speaking out against those that claim that us TES players should just give up on our hope that ESO will some day be the game we came to play.

newtinmpls

Gidorick wrote: »

The thing is Bethesda, Zenimax, and ZOS all speak of ESO as "Elder Scrolls with friends." This is how the game was and is still advertised.

This is what it is for me.

I play regularly with my spouse and two others (who live in another part of the country) and some guildies (with liberal use of skype and teamspeak).

Yes there are things that seem to be inherent to MMORPS that I never had to worry about in Morrowind; the "rules" or the "passives" or the "skills" never changed - unless I added mods (I never added DLC - started years after release so it was all the GOTY edition) and I was the one that chose the mods.

There are things that I think are crappily translated: cliff racers, nix hounds, scribs, areas locked before "certain levels" or "certain actions" - I'm not SAYING level them to me - I'm saying let me go there anyway and get killed! Oh and no underwater pearl/kollop diving.

PvP was a really hard thing to deal with - in Morrowind there were never "mean" players - heck there was nobody. Here you get teabagged and trashtalked by a bunch of 6 year olds (emotionally speaking). It was a nasty culture shock.

But there are fun things too - friendly guilds - people offering help and answering my chat questions. So ... there are things i don't like, but it is enough ES with friends to keep me here...

With two subbed accounts.

Gidorick

So, why don't you just go play one of the other 5 TES games with your spouse and 2 friends @newtinmpls?

Gid asked sarcastically.

That actually puts a point on what I was trying to say. Personally I still have a lot of hope for ESO but a big part of me is pretty much...

JD2013

Gidorick wrote: »

So, why don't you just go play one of the other 5 TES games with your spouse and 2 friends @newtinmpls?

Gid asked sarcastically.

That actually puts a point on what I was trying to say. Personally I still have a lot of hope for ESO but a big part of me is pretty much...

The chosen one HOW exactly? Unrealistic expectations obviously leads to great disappointment.

DovresMalven

I think we can conclude now that everyone who wants an ES game and not an MMO should spend their money and time elsewhere.. How many players will that leave? I hope all the "this is MMO not elder scrolls" crowd enjoy their sinking ship.

Callous2208

DovresMalven wrote: »

I think we can conclude now that everyone who wants an ES game and not an MMO should spend their money and time elsewhere.. How many players will that leave? I hope all the "this is MMO not elder scrolls" crowd enjoy their sinking ship.

You're making a bold prediction there based on your personal feelings. I can do the same watch. After all the players who were seeking an ES game and not an mmo have moved on to single player titles, ESO will grow and prosper since the focus will no longer be on pleasing two crowds on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Sylvyr

Don't think of ESO as an elder scrolls game. Think of it as an elder scrolls skinned MMO.

DovresMalven

Callous2208 wrote: »

DovresMalven wrote: »

I think we can conclude now that everyone who wants an ES game and not an MMO should spend their money and time elsewhere.. How many players will that leave? I hope all the "this is MMO not elder scrolls" crowd enjoy their sinking ship.

You're making a bold prediction there based on your personal feelings. I can do the same watch. After all the players who were seeking an ES game and not an mmo have moved on to single player titles, ESO will grow and prosper since the focus will no longer be on pleasing two crowds on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Unfortunately I have a track record with predictions coming true.

BlueGreenMikey

Gidorick wrote: »

I just hope that too much of the TES community hasn't given up on ESO. I hope those that have left can be enticed back because when the next MMO comes out and the Min/Maxing MMO players hop to the next new thing, we will still be here... hoping.

Well said.

I jumped on at the promise of a TES game. I "didn't do my research" because when a company advertises a game as a TES game, a company that has built up a lot of goodwill in its name, impressing me with numerous games before hand, I shouldn't have to do my research. [Side note: really, since when did it become players' faults because they end up buying disappointing games that don't work very well? That's not a gamer's fault!]

ZOS/Beth didn't have to call this "TESO" if the only thing that was really accurate was the "O" part.

That said, I am not necessarily disappointed with the connection to TES. I definitely get the feeling in terms of the lore and the world, and I see the on-rails parts of the game as a necessary evil for keeping everything balanced. I really think that a lot of the griping that this game gets comes out of the fact that it is mechanically poor, whether it be broken servers or impermissible lag or broken quests or terrible grouping functions or etc. If the game worked well, I seriously doubt that many people would find so many faults with other parts of the game. It's just that you have so much time to think about all the issues of the game when you get booted yet again or when you're stuck waiting in a queue yet again. It's like #ShowerThoughts all the time when you play this game.

Callous2208

DovresMalven wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

DovresMalven wrote: »

I think we can conclude now that everyone who wants an ES game and not an MMO should spend their money and time elsewhere.. How many players will that leave? I hope all the "this is MMO not elder scrolls" crowd enjoy their sinking ship.

You're making a bold prediction there based on your personal feelings. I can do the same watch. After all the players who were seeking an ES game and not an mmo have moved on to single player titles, ESO will grow and prosper since the focus will no longer be on pleasing two crowds on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Unfortunately I have a track record with predictions coming true.

That's good to know but you may be in over your head here. MMO's, even absolutely terrible ones, have a way of lingering for years and years with steady populations. It is in their nature.

newtinmpls

Gidorick wrote: »

So, why don't you just go play one of the other 5 TES games with your spouse and 2 friends

And how do you suggest I do that? Is there a mod somewhere that allows us to all run in the same adventure....?

She said equally sarcastically.....and then giggled.

Messy1

Simple solution, make all zones crossfaction and just overhaul the entire questline stories . . . Right?

newtinmpls

DovresMalven wrote: »

I think we can conclude now that everyone who wants an ES game and not an MMO should spend their money and time elsewhere..

And everyone that wants an MMO that IS a ES game?

So far, this is it. I've been having fun.

And if you were really having NO fun ... .would you not have left already? <raised eyebrow>

Callous2208

newtinmpls wrote: »

DovresMalven wrote: »

I think we can conclude now that everyone who wants an ES game and not an MMO should spend their money and time elsewhere..

And everyone that wants an MMO that IS a ES game?

So far, this is it. I've been having fun.

And if you were really having NO fun ... .would you not have left already? <raised eyebrow>

*also raises an eyebrow and lets out a high pitched, "hmmmm?"*

DenMoria

DovresMalven wrote: »

I think we can conclude now that everyone who wants an ES game and not an MMO should spend their money and time elsewhere.. How many players will that leave? I hope all the "this is MMO not elder scrolls" crowd enjoy their sinking ship.

I don't know if it's a sinking ship, but, I am sure that there are some of us that purchased ESO as a TES game and had certain expectations that have not been fulfilled in this MMO environment and so we will stop playing, paying for subscriptions and making purchases, but, that gap may very well be filled by other folks that just want a good MMO (and there are plenty of 'em).

It may balance out or maybe not, but I would hate to see something like ESO go under. It has not gotten great press over the years, but there seems to be a vibrant community of folks that love it and there is every chance that it will continue so.

As someone who does not enjoy the "social", grouping or MMO (specifically PvP) parts of the game, I don't play it as often as perhaps I could (I come from ESO way back, but as single player), but, I do have to say that it is a game that I may continue to play occasionally and will always enjoy in its and my own way.

Xilc

JD2013 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

So, why don't you just go play one of the other 5 TES games with your spouse and 2 friends @newtinmpls?

Gid asked sarcastically.

That actually puts a point on what I was trying to say. Personally I still have a lot of hope for ESO but a big part of me is pretty much...

The chosen one HOW exactly? Unrealistic expectations obviously leads to great disappointment.

Because out of Warcraft, Elder Scrolls, and Star Wars, this was supposed to be the best MMO that ever came out... Except they lost their culture and made it generic, which is the last thing you really want to do.

Callous2208

Xilc wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

So, why don't you just go play one of the other 5 TES games with your spouse and 2 friends @newtinmpls?

Gid asked sarcastically.

That actually puts a point on what I was trying to say. Personally I still have a lot of hope for ESO but a big part of me is pretty much...

The chosen one HOW exactly? Unrealistic expectations obviously leads to great disappointment.

Because out of Warcraft, Elder Scrolls, and Star Wars, this was supposed to be the best MMO that ever came out... Except they lost their culture and made it generic, which is the last thing you really want to do.

I see where you're coming from but keep this in mind. There are just as many or more threads in which people are raging mad because this isn't enough like a generic mmo. I'm not really sure if they'll ever be able to please both crowds.

Gidorick

Callous2208 wrote: »

Xilc wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

So, why don't you just go play one of the other 5 TES games with your spouse and 2 friends @newtinmpls?

Gid asked sarcastically.

That actually puts a point on what I was trying to say. Personally I still have a lot of hope for ESO but a big part of me is pretty much...

The chosen one HOW exactly? Unrealistic expectations obviously leads to great disappointment.

Because out of Warcraft, Elder Scrolls, and Star Wars, this was supposed to be the best MMO that ever came out... Except they lost their culture and made it generic, which is the last thing you really want to do.

I see where you're coming from but keep this in mind. There are just as many or more threads in which people are raging mad because this isn't enough like a generic mmo. I'm not really sure if they'll ever be able to please both crowds.

But I think people who are upset this isn't more like a TES game are more justified than those who are upset it's not more generic. ZOS is saying 'Play Elder Scrolls with Friends" not "Play an MMO in Tamriel"....which would be equally descriptive of ESO.

ESO's current situation is that instead of taking the unique strengths of MMOs and TES games and mixing those to make a new experience ZOS took what was sort-of similar between them and made TES and MMO meet in the middle and ended up not pleasing EITHER group of individuals.

I actually 100% support those that want floaty numbers, name plates (contextual of course... shouldn't be a "OVER HERE!!!!" sign), minimaps, and the like. I am not a "play my way or no way" kind of fellow. I'm a "it's possible for all of us to have the options we want" kind of fellow.

Lava_Croft

I came here expecting an MMO with heavy Elder Scrolls influences, not Skyrim Online. Anyone expecting Skyrim Online and not an MMO with heavy Elder Scrolls influences is someone who really has not paid any attention before buying the game.

DenMoria

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I came here expecting an MMO with heavy Elder Scrolls influences, not Skyrim Online. Anyone expecting Skyrim Online and not an MMO with heavy Elder Scrolls influences is someone who really has not paid any attention before buying the game.

I came in expecting TES with MMO, not MMO with TES, but, hey, whatcha gonna do. Either way is fine.

Callous2208

Gidorick wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Xilc wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

So, why don't you just go play one of the other 5 TES games with your spouse and 2 friends @newtinmpls?

Gid asked sarcastically.

That actually puts a point on what I was trying to say. Personally I still have a lot of hope for ESO but a big part of me is pretty much...

The chosen one HOW exactly? Unrealistic expectations obviously leads to great disappointment.

Because out of Warcraft, Elder Scrolls, and Star Wars, this was supposed to be the best MMO that ever came out... Except they lost their culture and made it generic, which is the last thing you really want to do.

I see where you're coming from but keep this in mind. There are just as many or more threads in which people are raging mad because this isn't enough like a generic mmo. I'm not really sure if they'll ever be able to please both crowds.

But I think people who are upset this isn't more like a TES game are more justified than those who are upset it's not more generic. ZOS is saying 'Play Elder Scrolls with Friends" not "Play an MMO in Tamriel"....which would be equally descriptive of ESO.

ESO's current situation is that instead of taking the unique strengths of MMOs and TES games and mixing those to make a new experience ZOS took what was sort-of similar between them and made TES and MMO meet in the middle and ended up not pleasing EITHER group of individuals.

I actually 100% support those that want floaty numbers, name plates (contextual of course... shouldn't be a "OVER HERE!!!!" sign), minimaps, and the like. I am not a "play my way or no way" kind of fellow. I'm a "it's possible for all of us to have the options we want" kind of fellow.

I feel the same. I'm just not too optimistic that there's a solution to appease both crowds. Pulling from the strengths of one would surely be to the detriment of the other. It was ambitious but I don't think enough people are of a mind as ours. Luckily for me I fall into the third category of folks who loved mmo's and the Scrolls series and couldn't be more pleased about how this turned out.

Messy1

JD2013 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

So, why don't you just go play one of the other 5 TES games with your spouse and 2 friends @newtinmpls?

Gid asked sarcastically.

That actually puts a point on what I was trying to say. Personally I still have a lot of hope for ESO but a big part of me is pretty much...

The chosen one HOW exactly? Unrealistic expectations obviously leads to great disappointment.

What's unrealistic about Snaking Skywalker becoming the . . . Oh wait