Come on ZOS 10k wrecking blows?

LegacyDM

I thought 1.7 was suppose to balance pvp damage. I thought everyone's damage was reduced. Why are people still bonking me on the head with an animation canceled wrecking blow for 10k while in combat. Yesterday, no kidding, the guy hit me in mid air halfway through my ambush. As I lept forward his wb took precedence over my ambush. This skill has got to be the cheesest skill in the game.

Olen_Mikko

10k is nothing. I can ambush people more than 17k.

Sorcs can hit you with 20k crystal fragments.
Snipe can be over 20k
Best NBs that i know, say they can burst up to 40k

So 10k WB is not a big deal. Learn to counter.

FriedEggSandwich

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

10k is nothing. I can ambush people more than 17k.

Sorcs can hit you with 20k crystal fragments.
Snipe can be over 20k
Best NBs that i know, say they can burst up to 40k

So 10k WB is not a big deal. Learn to counter.

In 1.6, the op is talking about the latest patch where pvp damage is reduced 50%.

blur

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

10k is nothing. I can ambush people more than 17k.

Sorcs can hit you with 20k crystal fragments.
Snipe can be over 20k
Best NBs that i know, say they can burst up to 40k

So 10k WB is not a big deal. Learn to counter.

Would love to see these numbers in v2.1+ This isn't 1.6...

I do love how OP managed to sneak "animation cancel" into the mix.... rofl.

zornyan

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

10k is nothing. I can ambush people more than 17k.

Sorcs can hit you with 20k crystal fragments.
Snipe can be over 20k
Best NBs that i know, say they can burst up to 40k

So 10k WB is not a big deal. Learn to counter.

In 1.6, the op is talking about the latest patch where pvp damage is reduced 50%.

Only 30% more than it was so an attack that used to deal 20k will still deal 14k damage
That's still 4k more than wrecking blow.

40k burst NBs still can do 28k burst dps.

Poxheart

zornyan wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

10k is nothing. I can ambush people more than 17k.

Sorcs can hit you with 20k crystal fragments.
Snipe can be over 20k
Best NBs that i know, say they can burst up to 40k

So 10k WB is not a big deal. Learn to counter.

In 1.6, the op is talking about the latest patch where pvp damage is reduced 50%.

Only 30% more than it was so an attack that used to deal 20k will still deal 14k damage
That's still 4k more than wrecking blow.

40k burst NBs still can do 28k burst dps.

I'd like to see some screen shots or footage that supports this claim because I haven't seen anything close to that since the patch.

zornyan

Probably because sets got slightly nerfed, there's no distinct damage difference chances in wrecking blow. So when wrecking blow used to do average of 15k hits, crystal frags and snipe were doing 20k.

They are still.more powerful, besides wrecking blow is the easiest skill to dodge/block. Hell you see someone pull their sword back? Just walk into them, that cancels it right away!

Jesus people if you stand there like a dummy waiting for a slow ass skill to hit you expect to die!

Armitas

Damage is up to what it used to be in 1.6 and yet healing and shielding have actually been cut in half. the heck?

leepalmer95

Armitas wrote: »

Damage is up to what it used to be in 1.6 and yet healing and shielding have actually been cut in half. the heck?

It's the fact that despite lowering dmg by 30% they introduced higher sets which is more dmg, then most of the new sets adds a lot of wpn/spell dmg and with the few skill changes most peoples dmg increased by quite a bit, so lower healing, lower shields, same dmg.

Lava_Croft

The best are the heavy armor DK scrubs that can't do anything besides spam Wrecking Blow and Petrify, while not being able to kill you. However, if you finally manage to run them out of Stamina and have them stunned for 4 seconds, dumping all your poor 3.5k spell damage can muster on them will barely hurt them.

Then it's back to the Wrecking Blow and Petrify spam...

Thank Sithis for Shadow Cloak, the best solution to the boring as hell fights in 1.7.

ToRelax

zornyan wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

10k is nothing. I can ambush people more than 17k.

Sorcs can hit you with 20k crystal fragments.
Snipe can be over 20k
Best NBs that i know, say they can burst up to 40k

So 10k WB is not a big deal. Learn to counter.

In 1.6, the op is talking about the latest patch where pvp damage is reduced 50%.

Only 30% more than it was so an attack that used to deal 20k will still deal 14k damage
That's still 4k more than wrecking blow.

40k burst NBs still can do 28k burst dps.

37.5%

onTopic:
At least we can still kill people with something.

Mojmir

So wrecking blow+sorcs wearing heavy armor and blocking+cps in counter to stamina regen nerf=less QQ on forums.

BOOM

your welcome: p

Sharee

Lava_Croft wrote: »

The best are the heavy armor DK scrubs that can't do anything besides spam Wrecking Blow and Petrify, while not being able to kill you. However, if you finally manage to run them out of Stamina and have them stunned for 4 seconds, dumping all your poor 3.5k spell damage can muster on them will barely hurt them.

Then it's back to the Wrecking Blow and Petrify spam...

Thank Sithis for Shadow Cloak, the best solution to the boring as hell fights in 1.7.

They also spam stampede, forward momentum, volatile armor, GDB, unstable flame, dragonfire scale, take flight...

Lava_Croft

Sharee wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

The best are the heavy armor DK scrubs that can't do anything besides spam Wrecking Blow and Petrify, while not being able to kill you. However, if you finally manage to run them out of Stamina and have them stunned for 4 seconds, dumping all your poor 3.5k spell damage can muster on them will barely hurt them.

Then it's back to the Wrecking Blow and Petrify spam...

Thank Sithis for Shadow Cloak, the best solution to the boring as hell fights in 1.7.

They also spam stampede, forward momentum, volatile armor, GDB, unstable flame, dragonfire scale, take flight...

Yeah, sometimes they try to do Take Flight on me, I forgot about that!

Sharee

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

The best are the heavy armor DK scrubs that can't do anything besides spam Wrecking Blow and Petrify, while not being able to kill you. However, if you finally manage to run them out of Stamina and have them stunned for 4 seconds, dumping all your poor 3.5k spell damage can muster on them will barely hurt them.

Then it's back to the Wrecking Blow and Petrify spam...

Thank Sithis for Shadow Cloak, the best solution to the boring as hell fights in 1.7.

They also spam stampede, forward momentum, volatile armor, GDB, unstable flame, dragonfire scale, take flight...

Yeah, sometimes they try to do Take Flight on me, I forgot about that!

Sometimes the trying results in them getting you down to a sliver of health left, which of course does them no good since all you have to do is spam healing ward and cloak.

Oh well

Lava_Croft

Sharee wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

The best are the heavy armor DK scrubs that can't do anything besides spam Wrecking Blow and Petrify, while not being able to kill you. However, if you finally manage to run them out of Stamina and have them stunned for 4 seconds, dumping all your poor 3.5k spell damage can muster on them will barely hurt them.

Then it's back to the Wrecking Blow and Petrify spam...

Thank Sithis for Shadow Cloak, the best solution to the boring as hell fights in 1.7.

They also spam stampede, forward momentum, volatile armor, GDB, unstable flame, dragonfire scale, take flight...

Yeah, sometimes they try to do Take Flight on me, I forgot about that!

Sometimes the trying results in them getting you down to a sliver of health left, which of course does them no good since all you have to do is spam healing ward and cloak.

Oh well

Because there's no Vigor and counters to Cloak. At least they manage to sometimes get me down to a sliver of health. The passive mitigation on these Heavy Armor scrubs is so high that you need several people to take them down and this is not because they are such better players.

There is something not right about the balance between damage mitigation and damage output.

Zsymon

Why do you keep calling them "scrubs", their build is no more cheesy than yours. If they can't kill you then what are you complaining about? I'm sure they'd prefer beating you as well, but you can't always win.

Also, base heavy armor mitigation is only about 4% more than medium armor, for which they sacrifice a ton of DPS and all of their sustain, any build can use additional skills and sets to further increase armor and spell res, that is not a heavy armor user privilege.

Lava_Croft

Zsymon wrote: »

Why do you keep calling them "scrubs", their build is no more cheesy than yours. If they can't kill you then what are you complaining about? I'm sure they'd prefer beating you as well, but you can't always win.

Also, base heavy armor mitigation is only about 4% more than medium armor, for which they sacrifice a ton of DPS and all of their sustain, any build can use additional skills and sets to further increase armor and spell res.

I call them scrubs because the only thing they do is spam Wrecking Blow and Petrify with the odd Take Flight and the only thing that keeps them from dying is the insane passive damage migitation.

This is not about me wanting to kill him or him wanting to kill me, this is about whether this is the type of combat that ZOS has in mind for the future of ESO. Judging from the changes with the last update, this is indeed the case.

[EDIT] I add another free 'this'.

Mojmir

So basically everyone needs to press keys in a certain order and certain fashion in perfect symmetry to make the victim happy.this is the worthy death!!!

zornyan

Yep, anyone that kill lava is clearly a scrub. Scrub which is a pretty childish word anyway, as to anyone with half a brain or older than 10 scrubs is a TV series, not a derogatory term to be used against someone on the Internet that beats you at a computer game.

Basically lava you're saying that stamina dk's shouldn't have any offensive moves, I mean that 4% mitigation over medium armor is soooo op right?

Stop wearing robes and standing there spamming Shields and maybe...just maybe you'll kill someone.

Zsymon

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Why do you keep calling them "scrubs", their build is no more cheesy than yours. If they can't kill you then what are you complaining about? I'm sure they'd prefer beating you as well, but you can't always win.

Also, base heavy armor mitigation is only about 4% more than medium armor, for which they sacrifice a ton of DPS and all of their sustain, any build can use additional skills and sets to further increase armor and spell res.

I call them scrubs because the only thing they do is spam Wrecking Blow and Petrify with the odd Take Flight and the only thing that keeps them from dying is the insane passive damage migitation.

This is not about me wanting to kill him or him wanting to kill me, this is about whether this is the type of combat that ZOS has in mind for the future of ESO. Judging from the changes with the last update, this is indeed the case.

[EDIT] I add another free 'this'.

Well they removed all active defense, so I assume they want people to rely on passive defense.

Not that it is a good thing, it kills the only thing that makes this game unique.

iseko

Ure complaining that heavy armor is actually doing what it is supposed to? That wrecking blow (a slow ass skill) can hit you for 10k? Damn

Amica

I would love to see this 40k shot myself, On shashu i peak out at 25k with a 17k average, that's with 5 v14 hawk eye and 5 hundings.
I hope once i get my last agility ring my planed set pays off for the better and i get around the 20k average but 40 would be nice to see.

Lava_Croft

zornyan wrote: »

Yep, anyone that kill lava is clearly a scrub. Scrub which is a pretty childish word anyway, as to anyone with half a brain or older than 10 scrubs is a TV series, not a derogatory term to be used against someone on the Internet that beats you at a computer game.

Basically lava you're saying that stamina dk's shouldn't have any offensive moves, I mean that 4% mitigation over medium armor is soooo op right?

Stop wearing robes and standing there spamming Shields and maybe...just maybe you'll kill someone.

Nobody won the fight. I don't wear robes. Nice try.

leepalmer95

Lava_Croft wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Yep, anyone that kill lava is clearly a scrub. Scrub which is a pretty childish word anyway, as to anyone with half a brain or older than 10 scrubs is a TV series, not a derogatory term to be used against someone on the Internet that beats you at a computer game.

Basically lava you're saying that stamina dk's shouldn't have any offensive moves, I mean that 4% mitigation over medium armor is soooo op right?

Stop wearing robes and standing there spamming Shields and maybe...just maybe you'll kill someone.

Nobody won the fight. I don't wear robes. Nice try.

Are you a nb? nb's can't call anyome scrubs ^^

timidobserver

Certain high CP min/max weapon damage builds geared out completely do more burst damage than before. Basically, the new gear and stats makes up the 50% reduction and more.

Rylana

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Why do you keep calling them "scrubs", their build is no more cheesy than yours. If they can't kill you then what are you complaining about? I'm sure they'd prefer beating you as well, but you can't always win.

Also, base heavy armor mitigation is only about 4% more than medium armor, for which they sacrifice a ton of DPS and all of their sustain, any build can use additional skills and sets to further increase armor and spell res.

I call them scrubs because the only thing they do is spam Wrecking Blow and Petrify with the odd Take Flight and the only thing that keeps them from dying is the insane passive damage migitation.

This is not about me wanting to kill him or him wanting to kill me, this is about whether this is the type of combat that ZOS has in mind for the future of ESO. Judging from the changes with the last update, this is indeed the case.

[EDIT] I add another free 'this'.

And the only thing you do is spam healing ward and cloak.

So by your own definition you are a scrub.

Lava_Croft

Rylana wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

Why do you keep calling them "scrubs", their build is no more cheesy than yours. If they can't kill you then what are you complaining about? I'm sure they'd prefer beating you as well, but you can't always win.

Also, base heavy armor mitigation is only about 4% more than medium armor, for which they sacrifice a ton of DPS and all of their sustain, any build can use additional skills and sets to further increase armor and spell res.

I call them scrubs because the only thing they do is spam Wrecking Blow and Petrify with the odd Take Flight and the only thing that keeps them from dying is the insane passive damage migitation.

This is not about me wanting to kill him or him wanting to kill me, this is about whether this is the type of combat that ZOS has in mind for the future of ESO. Judging from the changes with the last update, this is indeed the case.

[EDIT] I add another free 'this'.

And the only thing you do is spam healing ward and cloak.

So by your own definition you are a scrub.

Eh, if a player from the US server that has never played with or against me says so, it must be true.

At least Healing Ward and Cloak are active forms of defenses that cost me resources.

dsalter

fyi. medium armor is bugged and not giving its damage bonus, wait till the patch lands. those wrecking blows will hit harder.

Digiman

zornyan wrote: »

Probably because sets got slightly nerfed, there's no distinct damage difference chances in wrecking blow. So when wrecking blow used to do average of 15k hits, crystal frags and snipe were doing 20k.

They are still.more powerful, besides wrecking blow is the easiest skill to dodge/block. Hell you see someone pull their sword back? Just walk into them, that cancels it right away!

Jesus people if you stand there like a dummy waiting for a slow ass skill to hit you expect to die!

Latency, the cast window is too small and when it lands they just keep doing it over and over. The stun has to go especially for 3.5 seconds. Most stuns get 2 seconds at the most. But this get's an extra 3.5, knockback and a damage boost on next attack? Sorry that is just unbalanced especially when your not immune to it.

Armitas

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

10k is nothing. I can ambush people more than 17k.

Sorcs can hit you with 20k crystal fragments.
Snipe can be over 20k
Best NBs that i know, say they can burst up to 40k

So 10k WB is not a big deal. Learn to counter.

Crystal Frags and Wrecking blow have the same base damage, and snipe is only slightly higher in base damage. There should be WB's out there that can hit for just as much if not more due to greater weapon power options, and self empowerment. I think the only reason sorcs are hitting higher atm is because their offense and defense is completely parallel which means they can put everything into magicka.