Magicka Templars still suck in PvP
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Fizzlewizzle✭✭✭✭Besides the general fixes (Mostly Restoring Aura and Healing Ritual, as those two are plain useless) i would love to see some skill which can be used for escaping (big word in the content i want to use it).
Something like the Magnum Shot skill (bow), a skill which pushes the caster away from the target, but a magic version of it.
Might sound stupid, but the few times i used a bow it was a key skill in my rotation. Its very useful for creating some distance between you and your target (especially when you are about to be hit by something) for a very short time.
Could use one of the Focus charge moves for it (don't know which of the two is more liked by the players).
Instead of charging you use the "explosion" to fire yourself backwards.
(Basically the Magnum shot skill, but then a light/ spear version of it.)
Or you could keep the charge and add the effect to push yourself back, allowing you to cast it again (single target only).
Might be a strange suggestion, but Templars miss a single target "aimed" attack. Without stuff like DoT's or Casting time.
There shouldn't be a stun or whatever effect on it then. Only the charge and the "backstep".Mending-The-Wounded, Aldmeri Dominion, Templar.1 -
BugCollector✭✭✭✭Fizzlewizzle wrote: »Besides the general fixes (Mostly Restoring Aura and Healing Ritual, as those two are plain useless) i would love to see some skill which can be used for escaping (big word in the content i want to use it).
Something like the Magnum Shot skill (bow), a skill which pushes the caster away from the target, but a magic version of it.
Might sound stupid, but the few times i used a bow it was a key skill in my rotation. Its very useful for creating some distance between you and your target (especially when you are about to be hit by something) for a very short time.
Could use one of the Focus charge moves for it (don't know which of the two is more liked by the players).
Instead of charging you use the "explosion" to fire yourself backwards.
(Basically the Magnum shot skill, but then a light/ spear version of it.)
Or you could keep the charge and add the effect to push yourself back, allowing you to cast it again (single target only).
Might be a strange suggestion, but Templars miss a single target "aimed" attack. Without stuff like DoT's or Casting time.
There shouldn't be a stun or whatever effect on it then. Only the charge and the "backstep".
Healing Ritual is indeed useless, but Restoring Aura is not. Well atleast one of the morphs (Repentance) isn't.May knowledge guide you to enlightenment0 -
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✭✭✭✭BugCollector wrote: »Fizzlewizzle wrote: »Besides the general fixes (Mostly Restoring Aura and Healing Ritual, as those two are plain useless) i would love to see some skill which can be used for escaping (big word in the content i want to use it).
Something like the Magnum Shot skill (bow), a skill which pushes the caster away from the target, but a magic version of it.
Might sound stupid, but the few times i used a bow it was a key skill in my rotation. Its very useful for creating some distance between you and your target (especially when you are about to be hit by something) for a very short time.
Could use one of the Focus charge moves for it (don't know which of the two is more liked by the players).
Instead of charging you use the "explosion" to fire yourself backwards.
(Basically the Magnum shot skill, but then a light/ spear version of it.)
Or you could keep the charge and add the effect to push yourself back, allowing you to cast it again (single target only).
Might be a strange suggestion, but Templars miss a single target "aimed" attack. Without stuff like DoT's or Casting time.
There shouldn't be a stun or whatever effect on it then. Only the charge and the "backstep".
Healing Ritual is indeed useless, but Restoring Aura is not. Well atleast one of the morphs (Repentance) isn't.
Yeh, but the idea should be to make both morphs have some kind of usefulness. There shouldn't be a skill that is completely negated/replaced by a pot.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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X_NOVIA_X✭✭✭Speak for yourself. Think its a l2p issue. I have 0 problems nuking down 5v1 and im spec'ed for healing0 -
BugCollector✭✭✭✭Tnoviaub17_ESO wrote: »Speak for yourself. Think its a l2p issue. I have 0 problems nuking down 5v1 and im spec'ed for healing
Right...May knowledge guide you to enlightenment0 -
Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭Tnoviaub17_ESO wrote: »Speak for yourself. Think its a l2p issue. I have 0 problems nuking down 5v1 and im spec'ed for healing
ya know since I got the ic update I can agree with this one. he seems to realize how healing can be a great defense in the new pvp. not saying I can sit there and nuke a great group and win just saying I can survive long enough to live till my team of norm 6 or so to come help or hold them off so they can get away and bank tv stones. versus before id be killed almost immediately. its a toss up on how you play imo1 -
BugCollector✭✭✭✭Frenkthevile wrote: »templar needs MOVEMENT skills, not more dps!!!
Well, a reduced cast time for Dark Flare could help out, since Magicka Templars DO need more dps.May knowledge guide you to enlightenment0 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭BugCollector wrote: »Frenkthevile wrote: »templar needs MOVEMENT skills, not more dps!!!
Well, a reduced cast time for Dark Flare could help out, since Magicka Templars DO need more dps.
I beg to differ that they need more DPS. @Nifty2g care to pipe in? ;pUnfortunate magicka warden main.
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Lutallo✭✭✭I have to disagree, I think this update has made Magicka Templars good.
Pre-Update, I had to wear heavy armour because NB's would one shot snipe me in light because of squishiness. Then in heavy armour, all my sustain was *** so I couldn't kill any sorcs or DK's. To top it all off, my focused charge and vampires bane were so buggy and useless.
Post-Update, massive buff to light armour, big reduction to damage means I can wear light armour and not get one shot. This makes my sustain and damage go sky high and I can compete properly now without being NB/Sorc bait. Also, focused charge is a bit better and vampires bane has been fixed. Then they added the increased perks to secondary BoL spams. I think Magicka Templars are in a good place, at the moment."Rock is too OP, please nerf"
Sincerely, Scissors.0 -
Treasure_Goblin✭✭✭Someone needs to tell me what they're using to actually kill things as magicka dps. I respecced from stampler, and I get wrecked absolutely all the time. Using 2 torug 4 martial knowledge 3 healer, monster shoulder and working on the helm.0 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.
AoE CC = Blazing Spear
Works even on blocking targets.
Tough I kind of wish the old blinding flash skill was here still. Started leveling my templar after 1.5. I remember it was a pain to fight it as a magicka melee nightblade / DK where I got that wierd stun/off balance everytime I did a melee ranged attack (whip, surprise attack) ^^EU | PC0 -
PinoZino✭✭✭✭BugCollector wrote: »What we still need:
1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs
Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.
The title of your topic is wrong. It should be:
"I still s*ck with Magicka Templars in PvP"
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BugCollector✭✭✭✭BugCollector wrote: »What we still need:
1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs
Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.
The title of your topic is wrong. It should be:
"I still s*ck with Magicka Templars in PvP"
No?
No, I can easily win 2 vs 1 (myself alone).May knowledge guide you to enlightenment0 -
PinoZino✭✭✭✭BugCollector wrote: »BugCollector wrote: »What we still need:
1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs
Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.
The title of your topic is wrong. It should be:
"I still s*ck with Magicka Templars in PvP"
No?
No, I can easily win 2 vs 1 (myself alone).
I write down 'It should be 20 vs 1. Else it s*cks."
Maybe it was in the past a bit too easy, no?
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zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Treasure_Goblin wrote: »Someone needs to tell me what they're using to actually kill things as magicka dps. I respecced from stampler, and I get wrecked absolutely all the time. Using 2 torug 4 martial knowledge 3 healer, monster shoulder and working on the helm.
Puncturing sweeps is enough to do all pve content.
My rotations is normally
Structured entropy
Vampires kiss
Dark flare
Then spam puncturing sweeps until below 50% health then use Aurora javelin javelin to knockback and hit with radiant destruction0 -
BugCollector✭✭✭✭
Dude, I'm a good player, that's why i can take on 2 vs 1. But that doesn't take away the fact that a lot of Templar skills are still lackluster.BugCollector wrote: »BugCollector wrote: »What we still need:
1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs
Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.
The title of your topic is wrong. It should be:
"I still s*ck with Magicka Templars in PvP"
No?
No, I can easily win 2 vs 1 (myself alone).
I write down 'It should be 20 vs 1. Else it s*cks."
Maybe it was in the past a bit too easy, no?
May knowledge guide you to enlightenment0 -
Francescolg✭✭✭✭
Blazing Spear has never been an AoE-CC, only single-CC with AoE dmg.Master_Kas wrote: »AoE CC = Blazing Spear
Works even on blocking targets.
That some templars keep spamming it is in fact because it is not AoE-CC...
Would be nice, if some players stopped spamming in the forums just to raise their post-count!
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✭✭✭✭Tnoviaub17_ESO wrote: »Speak for yourself. Think its a l2p issue. I have 0 problems nuking down 5v1 and im spec'ed for healing
Last night my magicka Templar walking into a room of 10 AD by myself. Only 1 of us walked out. It may have been the single most awesome video game moment of my life. This is how it went down.
1) Sneak into the room.
2) Bat Swarm!
3) They start scrambling and 3 die before they know what hit them.
4) I then started alternating between breath of life and the Jesus beam. Took out 3 more over the next 45 seconds as I'm laughing like an insane person.
5) Right as I was about to die a friendly Zerg showed up and wiped the last 4.
6) Eternal glory.
Granted many of these guys were probably awful players, and it's not like I personally killed 10 people, but I did fight off 10 for more than a minute killing at least half of them. Then I tried doing the same to some DC and died within 3 seconds. Haha.
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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Don't know why people keep saying thisDisgracefulMind wrote: »BugCollector wrote: »Frenkthevile wrote: »templar needs MOVEMENT skills, not more dps!!!
Well, a reduced cast time for Dark Flare could help out, since Magicka Templars DO need more dps.
I beg to differ that they need more DPS. @Nifty2g care to pipe in? ;p
templars are pretty high up, just have to gear it properly
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Muizer✭✭✭✭✭
✭every class sucks unless it's part of a zerg, in which case nothing really matters anymore.Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!0 -
Speely✭✭✭✭I think Magicka Templars are awesome and probably the most "balanced" class in the game. The only way out is through. Live it, love it.0 -
PinoZino✭✭✭✭BugCollector wrote: »Dude, I'm a good player, that's why i can take on 2 vs 1. But that doesn't take away the fact that a lot of Templar skills are still lackluster.
I believe you. And the 2, are this also good players or just noob sitting around like a duck?
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llllADBllll✭✭✭You know what they say. You can please some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.
If you start taking passives from other racial classes how will you distinguish between them.
I'm a vet 16 high elf template vamp and with rune focus and immovable morphed I'm lasting longer than most in my Guild.
Stop picking faults and optimise what you have.
If they made puncturing sweeps any better you wouldn't need any other moves.
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BugCollector wrote: »What we still need:
1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs
Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.
Not my pvp set up but close to it, pvp has more recovery, slightly less damage, this is outside of cyrodill
Puncturing Sweep heal is based on damage done, mine out heal all of damage done to me.
Spear Shards are fine as it procs burning light, any adjustment it will become far too strong
Same argument made by every class
I'm fine with how Dark Flare is, having an instant cast on something that debuffs how it does and gives empower, far too unbalanced
I would like a damage increase but as it stands this skill I can't find a spot on my bar for it, however it can crit extremely high.
Edited by Nifty2g on September 20, 2015 9:47AM#MOREORBS0 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Templar is the most played class right after NIghtblade currently. Look at the population, only Nightblades and Templars and a few Dragonknights and Sorcerer. There is a reason, for why NBs and Temps are so popular, because they are strong.
Templar heal is so super strong at the moment. Templar is by far the strongest group class of all
And talking about bad class passives.... look at Dragonknight and Sorcerer. They have quite a lot bad passives. Templars and especially NBs have super powerfull passives.Edited by Dracane on September 20, 2015 9:56AMAuri-El is my lord,
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Met a magica templar in cyrodil the other day. Couldn't even come close to getting through her selfheals with everything my sorceror could muster... Especially the "heal me, hurt you" skills like jabs or jesus beam. In that encounter, I was the one who sucked when faced with her impressive PvPness...
And that was only the latest such encounter, not the only one by far.
So I'd say, this thread is not reflecting the situation as it happens in the field...0 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »Met a magica templar in cyrodil the other day. Couldn't even come close to getting through her selfheals with everything my sorceror could muster... Especially the "heal me, hurt you" skills like jabs or jesus beam. In that encounter, I was the one who sucked when faced with her impressive PvPness...
And that was only the latest such encounter, not the only one by far.
So I'd say, this thread is not reflecting the situation as it happens in the field...
I think this thread is baded on theoretical investigation and not based on practical events.
Imagine if Templars had a Magicka based class shield..... I wonder why non of them uses healing ward or Annulment. They would be unkillableAuri-El is my lord,
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