Magicka Templars still suck in PvP

tplink3r1 · September 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.

Yea, and a DK needs a spamable firebeam, would be cool

Funny, i don't remember asking for "talons" or any other class ability, go troll some other posts.

Arunei · September 2015

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.

Er, doesn't Spear Shards count as AoE CC?

Lightninvash · September 2015

Arunei wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.

Er, doesn't Spear Shards count as AoE CC?

it only tags one person in that area it is an aoe and a cc but not an aoe cc like fear or talons

BuggeX · September 2015

tplink3r1 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.

Yea, and a DK needs a spamable firebeam, would be cool

Funny, i don't remember asking for "talons" or any other class ability, go troll some other posts.

i dont troll, i just ask for a proper execute, unblockable ofc

BugCollector · September 2015

Arunei wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.

Er, doesn't Spear Shards count as AoE CC?

Only one person.

Digiman · September 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

What we still need:

1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs

Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.

Stamina is the way to go for damage. Magicka for healing.

That's the design goal ZoS seems to want to push.

I don't know why you would want to wear cloth when your not forced to.

flohowyo · September 2015

Magicka Templar is fine, he was abit week last Patch but at the moment it is very good balanced.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YiZjm82QX5Y
Video of me with my Magicka Templar 3 v X and 2 v X, Templar is fine !

Frenkthevile · September 2015

templar needs MOVEMENT skills, not more dps!!!

dodgehopper_ESO · September 2015

Actually I'd prefer if they increased the duration of sun shield than shifting its magnitude to magicka based. I'm not particularly fond of shields being based off of stamina or magicka actually. The tank spec should always be tougher. I think the choice should really be between how strong your shield is (health) vs. how many times you can fire it (more magicka/stamina). I believe this would be better for game balance as a whole, and I've written a post in the past about it. I'm surprised at some of the things you mentioned as well. Personally I don't care if Blazing Shards does more damage, but I'd rather see it be a cc on par with Talons.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/211441/a-suggestion-towards-balance-between-health-magicka-and-stamina#latest

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/206816/eclipse-is-a-completely-broken-skill-let-me-count-the-ways#latest

As for passives, it is a little funny to me that Refreshing Shadows (From NB) feels an awful lot like the regen that Templars use to have in beta. At any regard as someone who likes to play tanks I still miss blinding flashes, and just wish they made it a better ability. It could have been a pbaoe 'Cinders' with similar effect to the DK ability of that name. Don't get me wrong, I like radiant destruction but it is very heavily leaning in the magicka dps direction whereas flashes actually had a purpose for a tank to use.

P.S.: To be fair, Nightblades don't have a shield proper. They can be extremely tough, but rely on massive health regen and Blur. As I've not yet really had the chance to play the IC update due to some real life goings on, I can't really speak to Blur, though I've read its not as good in the update? I'm not sure how unless they lowered the dodge chance.

Sithisvoid · September 2015

Have to say this is a skill level issue. I run into magika templars all the time that are absolute beasts. Maybe your thumbs are just broke

BugCollector · September 2015

1. A magicka Templar has nothing against a DK with talons and whip. He hits harder and the Talons make sure you miss completely with Puncturing Sweep. Also Blazing Spear does pityful damage
2. A magicka Templar will almost always lose against a Sorcerer with Shieldstacking. The Templar doesn't hit hard enough, his main counter, Dark Flare, is a slow channeled skill and the Sorc will outlast him in terms of Magicka
3. A magicka Templar will lose against a skilled Nightblade that properly uses Surprise attack. It hits very hard and the Templar will have to use all of his Magicka to constantly heal himself.

Better? Thought so

Sithisvoid · September 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

1. A magicka Templar has nothing against a DK with talons and whip. He hits harder and the Talons make sure you miss completely with Puncturing Sweep. Also Blazing Spear does pityful damage
2. A magicka Templar will almost always lose against a Sorcerer with Shieldstacking. The Templar doesn't hit hard enough, his main counter, Dark Flare, is a slow channeled skill and the Sorc will outlast him in terms of Magicka
3. A magicka Templar will lose against a skilled Nightblade that properly uses Surprise attack. It hits very hard and the Templar will have to use all of his Magicka to constantly heal himself.

Better? Thought so

A good templar would heavy attack with the restro staff and never run out of magika. Cast Annulment + Healing ward to keep himself alive while he does it.

Elara_Northwind · September 2015

My magic Templar doesn't suck at PvP, she does a huge amount of damage, pretty much never runs out of magic or stamina and rarely dies. I would actually say she is better than my sorcerer. If I am trying to grind for Tel Var stones or something, I will always bring my Templar

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

What we still need:

1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs

Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.

The main thing i read here is a guy who wants to kill more efficiently with less risk for himself.
You should focus your attention on stuff that could actually use fixing instead of only trying to gain buffs to counter your own incompetence.

1. Do something about healing ritual.
2. Rework Restoring Aura and Radiant Aura.
3. Sun shield's IC effect (because of the buff) should only focus on the damage, rather than the shield.
4. Luminous Shards: Make it give a percentage of magicka when picked up, rather than the weaker X over 10 seconds effect.
5. Piercing javelin: more damage for its magicka/ stamina cost (seems a bit unbalanced).

For Healing Ritual: Either make the heal very powerful (remove the 1.7/2.1 ninja nerf), or make it an non-aimable version of Grand healing (Restoration staff) and its Morphs.

The Passive problem could be fixed using the Restoring Aura skill. It once was a good regen buff but because of 1.6 it became useless. Make it a new, useful skill again.

The shield is crap in IC because it was by default a very low shield. IC's buff reduced the shield capacity below a number which could be considered usable, which also keeps its damage in check. Return the shield to its former strength (in PvP), but reduce the damage it deals to keep its natural counter effect in check within PvP.

Luminous shards already speaks for itself. The Low amount of Magicka isn't really worth it, would be better if your Magic allies actually gained some profit from it.

Javelin: Might be me (i play more defensive than offensive) but the damage <> cost ratio seems a bit unbalanced.
The knockback is situational, because of CC immunity, so at least make the damage a decent secondary option.

zornyan · September 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

1. A magicka Templar has nothing against a DK with talons and whip. He hits harder and the Talons make sure you miss completely with Puncturing Sweep. Also Blazing Spear does pityful damage
2. A magicka Templar will almost always lose against a Sorcerer with Shieldstacking. The Templar doesn't hit hard enough, his main counter, Dark Flare, is a slow channeled skill and the Sorc will outlast him in terms of Magicka
3. A magicka Templar will lose against a skilled Nightblade that properly uses Surprise attack. It hits very hard and the Templar will have to use all of his Magicka to constantly heal himself.

Better? Thought so

1. Talons and whip are pretty easy to defend against, talons spammers are the most fun for me to kill, they also tend to think sitting and holding block will keep them alive for ages..
2. Sorcerers that shield stack are cannon fodder now, not only do we have the shield breaker set, Shields got nerfed by 50%, every shield stacking sorc I've ever met has never been able to kill me, as their only available skills are shielding then spamming crystal frags.
3. Magika isn't our only source of healing, I pop rally at the beginning and only use healing when needed, the rest of the time the nightblade will be feeling my wrecking blows mixed with puncturing sweeps and radiant destruction. Nightblade stam builds can't output the same dps they used to, and they don't have any self heals apart from rally, they also generally have low hp so a few quick hits takes care of them.

leroit · September 2015

Please Zenimax, give us (magicka templars):

1. Improved heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Better damage on Spear shards and its morphs
3. Improve Blazing Shield. its worthless right now
4. Decrease the cast time on Dark Flare or give it a proc like Crystal Fragments
5. Increase the damage ceiling on Purifying Light
6. Oh, and make our ultimates usefull in pvp for once

LoreRiley · September 2015

BugCollector · September 2015

LoreRiley wrote: »

No, just no...

Robbmrp · September 2015

As with any other class, your ability to hold out in PVP is going to come down to the number of CP you have. The more points you can put into Blessed and Thaumaturge the better off you will be.

I was able to hold off 4 blue last night for a bit before they got me. I had javalined 3 of them to the face before their DK stunned me with a shield charge. Even then I was able to heal for a bit. My gear is mostly V15 except for the Healer stuff I am running which is mostly V14. I run with 5 Healer and 5 Seducer as magicka DPS spec.

wwitunsky_ESO · September 2015

flohowyo wrote: »

Magicka Templar is fine, he was abit week last Patch but at the moment it is very good balanced.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YiZjm82QX5Y
Video of me with my Magicka Templar 3 v X and 2 v X, Templar is fine !

Champion points Make the difference everyone is missing that. This could be his frustration. Showing examples of ow good they are means nothing. Champion points vs champion points is what matters today. Like v1 vs v14 back in the day.

Corzz · September 2015

Although i dont agree with the OP completely the ones that disagree the most are in the mindset that templars should only heal, which is like saying sorcs should only play pet builds.. I main templar and I hate healing, I play with a small group or duo and do well in IC although after weeks of testing everyday I have to say without loads of champ points, breath of life is horrible now, also same as blazing shield I don't run either anymore.

When I first got into IC breath of life was healing for like 2-3 k with healer set and martial knowledge I eventually gave up with it and just run healing ward instead, so much better. Also Ive tested a high health tank build with black rose set and blazing shield is okay but its still not great,

If you want Templars to be played as tanky healer with less dps you cant take away their heals and shields Ive been forced to adapt and go full tanky mode with runes and defensive posture ect to compete,

I don't care about other buffs all they need is their old blazing shield and breath of life and i'm fine with them.

But if you every fight against a sorc who have better shields better damage and escape you better hope you outplay them.

timidobserver · September 2015

zornyan wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

1. A magicka Templar has nothing against a DK with talons and whip. He hits harder and the Talons make sure you miss completely with Puncturing Sweep. Also Blazing Spear does pityful damage
2. A magicka Templar will almost always lose against a Sorcerer with Shieldstacking. The Templar doesn't hit hard enough, his main counter, Dark Flare, is a slow channeled skill and the Sorc will outlast him in terms of Magicka
3. A magicka Templar will lose against a skilled Nightblade that properly uses Surprise attack. It hits very hard and the Templar will have to use all of his Magicka to constantly heal himself.

Better? Thought so

1. Talons and whip are pretty easy to defend against, talons spammers are the most fun for me to kill, they also tend to think sitting and holding block will keep them alive for ages..
2. Sorcerers that shield stack are cannon fodder now, not only do we have the shield breaker set, Shields got nerfed by 50%, every shield stacking sorc I've ever met has never been able to kill me, as their only available skills are shielding then spamming crystal frags.
3. Magika isn't our only source of healing, I pop rally at the beginning and only use healing when needed, the rest of the time the nightblade will be feeling my wrecking blows mixed with puncturing sweeps and radiant destruction. Nightblade stam builds can't output the same dps they used to, and they don't have any self heals apart from rally, they also generally have low hp so a few quick hits takes care of them.

1. I agree with you completely on number 1. Dks are not an issue, but can be hard to bring down if they are turtle specced.
2. Why are you mentioning shield breaker in a response about Magicka Templar vs shield stacking Sorc. Clearly we aren't wearing that set. A Magicka Templar can survive a Sorc easily, but it will be difficult to kill a decent one. This match up will usually result in a stalemate until the the zerg shows up.
3. Apparently you have not run into a max gear high CP stamblade. High end stamblades do huge burst damage through the 50% reduction. They can achieve crazy weapon damage.

pkb16_ESO2 · September 2015

Sithisvoid wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

1. A magicka Templar has nothing against a DK with talons and whip. He hits harder and the Talons make sure you miss completely with Puncturing Sweep. Also Blazing Spear does pityful damage
2. A magicka Templar will almost always lose against a Sorcerer with Shieldstacking. The Templar doesn't hit hard enough, his main counter, Dark Flare, is a slow channeled skill and the Sorc will outlast him in terms of Magicka
3. A magicka Templar will lose against a skilled Nightblade that properly uses Surprise attack. It hits very hard and the Templar will have to use all of his Magicka to constantly heal himself.

Better? Thought so

A good templar would heavy attack with the restro staff and never run out of magika. Cast Annulment + Healing ward to keep himself alive while he does it.

Year that are really specific Templar skills...

eliisra · September 2015

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

1. A magicka Templar has nothing against a DK with talons and whip. He hits harder and the Talons make sure you miss completely with Puncturing Sweep. Also Blazing Spear does pityful damage
2. A magicka Templar will almost always lose against a Sorcerer with Shieldstacking. The Templar doesn't hit hard enough, his main counter, Dark Flare, is a slow channeled skill and the Sorc will outlast him in terms of Magicka
3. A magicka Templar will lose against a skilled Nightblade that properly uses Surprise attack. It hits very hard and the Templar will have to use all of his Magicka to constantly heal himself.

Better? Thought so

A good templar would heavy attack with the restro staff and never run out of magika. Cast Annulment + Healing ward to keep himself alive while he does it.

Year that are really specific Templar skills...

True, but it's not a very wise build to begin with right now when 99% of all stam builds have Shield Breaker.

My poor nightblade gets *** in a few seconds if I try to shield stack for survival. The shield break spam is instant and with Harness Magicka up, it's bye bye for me.

Which is a good thing about templars in 2.1, we dont need to shield stack to stay alive with this dmg reduction. I can focus mainly on boosting inc/outgoing healing, than rest on pure dmg (which ironically heals me even more).

Overall I'd say templars are pretty nicely balanced in this patch(and I'm usually a raging QQ'er). Of course, I cant kill decent PvP'ers with simliar CP 1v1, but who the hell can do that right now with this 50% dmg reduction? It's a draw, regardless what class you're on.

Corpsage · September 2015

Arunei wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.

Er, doesn't Spear Shards count as AoE CC?

not when it only hits one target.

BugCollector · September 2015

Corpsage wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.

Er, doesn't Spear Shards count as AoE CC?

not when it only hits one target.

Jep, we have no aoe cc, too many casted/channeled spells, no mobility and no escapes

Treasure_Goblin · September 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

What we still need:

1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs

Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.

sun shield can scale off magicka so long as you leave blazing shield alone, that's like the only way templars can tank.

BugCollector · September 2015

Treasure_Goblin wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

What we still need:

1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs

Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.

sun shield can scale off magicka so long as you leave blazing shield alone, that's like the only way templars can tank.

Yea, good idea

Alucardo · September 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

Yea, and a DK needs a spamable firebeam, would be cool

firebeam of death*

timidobserver · September 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Yea, and a DK needs a spamable firebeam, would be cool

firebeam of death*

Radiant is nearly useless against anyone that has okay Spell Resist and some points in hardy. The best use of it is stealing killing blows on people that were about to die anyway.