Magicka Templars still suck in PvP

BugCollector

What we still need:

1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs

Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.

P3ZZL3

Can I ask what makes them "suck" in your opinion. Rather, the situation you are in where you need them to be better.

Sure, every character would like buffs to one class, nerfs to another, but just wondering what your in game situation is?

Is it you fighting mobs/npc's in IC alone? Fighting zergs overland in core PVP? etc...

Asmael

BugCollector wrote: »

Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.

You mean, like DK who have this one?

While using Draconic Power abilities:
Increases Health Recovery by 4% for each Draconic Power ability slotted.

Because I sure would love this one from sorc:

Increases your Health and Stamina Recovery by 20% when a Daedric Summoning ability is slotted.

And on a side note, just took a look at templar's passives, and I'd be really curious as to which you consider "suck". Actually, all the passives seem good for all classes, with this one little exception for DK.

Also, what @P3ZZL3 asked.

HxC

1. Yeah let's spam it even more !
2. One of the strongest AoE in the game, why not make it stronger?
3. My 40k+ magicka Templar is agree let me kill big zerg with my new imba Shield
4. With empower of course
5. Yes currently dealing 18k/9k in PvP damage with it , 3k/s is not enough

Are you Serious, templar magicka is a strong contender in PvP and viable in PvE.

Fix broken skills instead.

FriedEggSandwich

HxC wrote: »

1. Yeah let's spam it even more !
2. One of the strongest AoE in the game, why not make it stronger?
3. My 40k+ magicka Templar is agree let me kill big zerg with my new imba Shield
4. With empower of course
5. Yes currently dealing 18k/9k in PvP damage with it , 3k/s is not enough

Are you Serious, templar magicka is a strong contender in PvP and viable in PvE.

Fix broken skills instead.

lol at 3; proxy det shield op

Thalmor-Nordmaster

bug collector did you notice your armors decreasing values when you go from pve to pvp someone else pointed it out along with pics. I tried it and it dropped my values as well. all heavy armor its cut to less than half. only on my temp no other toons seem to have that issue.

G0ku

In IC templar is perfectly fine. I leveled all classes because templar was no more fun at some point but right now I can´t get myself to play another class in IC. The missing escape skill is covered by vamp´s mistform.

If they would buff templar in any way we will get nerfed hard shortly after. I even suspect the danger of being nerfed by saying templar does just fine....

Trashy Boy

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Can I ask what makes them "suck" in your opinion. Rather, the situation you are in where you need them to be better.

Sure, every character would like buffs to one class, nerfs to another, but just wondering what your in game situation is?

Is it you fighting mobs/npc's in IC alone? Fighting zergs overland in core PVP? etc...

As this nice person posted...........
A bit more clarification please so that we can further understand what it is you are asking and for which particular problem and or situation.?

Corzz

My issue with templar in IC is basically they don't have as much mobility which is fine in order to stay alive templars could use blazing shield and breath of life, problem with this is blazing shield is no longer worth it the shield is pathetic and with the breath of life 50% reduced healing and with the meta switching and resource management being more of an issue spamming breath of life to stay alive is not a good idea.

Of course you could try spec into high health build for blazing shield synergy but if you don't build templar high spell damage and magicka then their damage is pretty terrible against shield stacking sorcs and DKs,

Although they have some good skills like total dark (which gives some really fun outplay potentia)l and rune that keeps me playing templar

Leon119

The only thing templar lacks is mobility. A major expedition buff for example. If he gets that outside of vamp then templar automatically becomes op.
1 dont touch puncturing sweep
2 who uses that in pvp ?
3 what did u take ?!?! 0.0
4 seriously give me some of what u taking. Seems awsome
5 what is backlash...? ( crappy skill in pvp and extemly situational in pve )

Osteos

I would disagree. My vet 13 and my friends vet 15 magicka templars were able to not only survive but also kill the 4 enemy players who attacked us. With both of us healing each other we were damn near unkillable.

Templars still need some love but they definitely do not suck in pvp.

P3ZZL3

All the comments really depend on whether he is talking PVP proper or IC PVP

Not to mention my Magika Temp can hit for 52k damage in 2 button pushes

UltimaJoe777

Leon119 wrote: »

2 who uses that in pvp ?

I do actually see people use this in PvP, but for the most part as a means to reveal hidden enemies.

Groggpuffar

Learn to use passives bro

eliisra

Dunno, I think my templar is pretty nice in IC. Capable enough to tackle both players and NPC's solo. Even more outstanding and valuable in groups.

But than again, my last reference is 1.6, back when templars were a major struggle, pain and sort of *** in PvP. I couldn't do anything solo.

Now I'm having fun again, so not going to complain. You cant really ask for more than a class that's average with a few bugs, in ESO, being realistic.

All the crying about not being god-mode, just leave it for the QQsorcs community

myrrrorb14_ESO

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

All the comments really depend on whether he is talking PVP proper or IC PVP

Not to mention my Magika Temp can hit for 52k damage in 2 button pushes

Which two?

I like hints :-)

On console atm and miss my addons that tell me dps for rotations :-(

timidobserver

There could be some improvements to under used/bugged skills, but overall I am happy with my Templar in 2.1. My only major problem with 2.1 balancing is the amount of ways to reduce magical damage vs physical damage, but that is more of a general issue than a Templar issue.

Tors

BugCollector wrote: »

3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health

Really? You have low health and think this is good in PvP?


Glass Cannons are Glass Cannons, Playing a Templar is not about DPS , may as be a Night Blade complaining they can't do big heals on other people.

myrrrorb14_ESO

I actually like my templar quite a lot. Very versatile.

Set mine up for heals for my guilds, but stepped into some dps and do pretty good in pvp. Im not great at PvP, but thats not the fault of my Templar. Thats all me, lol.

1. The heal on puncturing sweeps is fine. Its an aoe and heals great when used that way. Pop a shield hit puncturing sweeps done.

2. Spear shards... well it is a bit low if you just look at the damage. But the stun and group utility balances it out.

4. Everyone would love to have there long cast times have a chance for instant :-) Snipe anyone?

monkeymystic

BugCollector wrote: »

What we still need:

1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs

Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.

Sorry but, what?? Is this serious?

Magicka templar is what I consider the strongest spec in the game currently (1.7), and puncturing heals is the *strongest* self heal based on dmg ability in the game (try it as aoe, you'll see you will never die no matter how many mobs you pull). Along with the absolute, hands down, best self healing class abilities available outside of sweep also.

Dark flare can crit players for 20k+ damage in PVP with battle spirit currently (I have done so myself, and highest dark flare crit on player so far is 26k damage..), with a 30% healing debuff and 20% increased dmg buff on top of it.

I feel stuff is pretty balanced now, but if anything needs to be changed it's the other way around and they need to tune *down* dark flare burst if anything, since it adds healing debuff which is huge in 1.7 sustain fights.

Spear shards is also *range* AoE + DoT + Proc with stuns and large radius, buffing it further would be insane. The proc is already making this AoE hit for more than other non-range AoE..

You should rather re-create your build, and try again before you ask for buffs to an already very, very strong class/spec in 1.7

timidobserver

monkeymystic wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

What we still need:

1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs

Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.

Sorry but, what?? Is this serious?

Magicka templar is what I consider the strongest spec in the game currently (1.7), and puncturing heals is the *strongest* self heal based on dmg ability in the game (try it as aoe, you'll see you will never die no matter how many mobs you pull). Along with the absolute, hands down, best self healing class abilities available outside of sweep also.

You gotta have that one that comes into a PVP thread typing in bold talking about how strong something is because he can pull a bunch of PvE mobs without dying.

willymchilybily

Having not levelled my Templar i wouldn't have known if this post was pointing out genuine problems with the class or just wanting the make the class OverPowered. And then you claimed you had duff passives, and all became clear. so i looked into those skills

sounds a lot like you are trying to play the class like its another class (sorc springs to mind).

3). You want a big shield? (like a sorc) but you already have good heals you cant really combine the two and not end up being un-killl-able. but also able to dish out damage

4). You want a cast ability to have a chance to insta cast (like frags) when the morph already can give that okay AOE not ranged but still. But you want it on the dark flare morph with its major defile. So damage buff, insta cast and major defile? and its already a lot cheaper than crystal frags. it sounds a bit too powerful

Scyantific

timidobserver wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

What we still need:

1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs

Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.

Sorry but, what?? Is this serious?

Magicka templar is what I consider the strongest spec in the game currently (1.7), and puncturing heals is the *strongest* self heal based on dmg ability in the game (try it as aoe, you'll see you will never die no matter how many mobs you pull). Along with the absolute, hands down, best self healing class abilities available outside of sweep also.

You gotta have that one that comes into a PVP thread typing in bold talking about how strong something is because he can pull a bunch of PvE mobs without dying.

I like how you beelined straight for the one part of the post talking about PvE and ignored the rest.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

It must be you, OP. My magicka templar is doing quite well in PVP. If anything, it has gotten better since the patch. Mind you, she is a healing build with puncturing jabs when the enemy gets too close and Jesus beam for ranged attacks not with the restro. The only thing I have to change out for going to PVE is purge.

timidobserver

Scyantific wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

What we still need:

1. Better heal on Puncturing Sweep
2. Slightly increased damage on Spear Shards
3. Sun Shield scaling of Magicka instead of Health
4. Chance for Dark Flare to instant cast (like Crystal Fragments)
5. Slightly increased damage ceiling on Backlash and its morphs

Oh, and do something about class passives too, because some of them really suck.

Sorry but, what?? Is this serious?

Magicka templar is what I consider the strongest spec in the game currently (1.7), and puncturing heals is the *strongest* self heal based on dmg ability in the game (try it as aoe, you'll see you will never die no matter how many mobs you pull). Along with the absolute, hands down, best self healing class abilities available outside of sweep also.

You gotta have that one that comes into a PVP thread typing in bold talking about how strong something is because he can pull a bunch of PvE mobs without dying.

I like how you beelined straight for the one part of the post talking about PvE and ignored the rest.

In a PvP thread why would I respond to a full post that starts out using PvE mobs to justify their opinion?

P3ZZL3

IF we could just give Templars Bolt Escape and Talons, I would be happy

milkbox

G0ku wrote: »

If they would buff templar in any way we will get nerfed hard shortly after. I even suspect the danger of being nerfed by saying templar does just fine....

Templars? There are no templars here...

Look over there, ZOS- at all the Nightblades, Sorcs and DKs... you just keep "fixing" them.

That's a very good thing you did, Anthony... a very good thing.

Lightninvash

I think a lot of ppl try playing a dps Templar. they are programed to be support/healer not a massive damage dealer. sure you can use any class and achieve anything but it will not be optimal. a Templar is still a moderate dps choice if you choose it for dps. no it wont be as high dps as a sorc or nightblade because they have attacks geared to damage. no it wont be as tanky as a Dk because they are geared to be a tank. knowing this to be the case makes it easier when you aren't 2 shotting people or dealing massive blows. play the class as intended or don't complain if it isn't living up to your expectation because you chose a path that it was not geared for.

tplink3r1

Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.

BugCollector

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.

Completely agree.

BuggeX

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Please ZOS, give us an AOE CC or an ESCAPE.

Yea, and a DK needs a spamable firebeam, would be cool