This battle level is an outrage!

KingShocker

Alucardo wrote: »

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KingShocker wrote: »

saying "twice as much" over and over again isn't a very compelling break down.

Pretty sure he made his point, though. His stats were almost double yours. So you're complaining about battle levelling based on your half-baked character with substandard statistics for your level.

Substandard statistics would be saying "twice as much " over and over again. His stats are double everyone's he has "twice as much" stats.

Tankqull wrote: »

ok just for you in a step by step description of how does battlelvling work:

1. the buff checks if your gear is apropriate for your lvl if so every thing is fine full stat bonis if not the values will be reduced
2. the buff deletes/ignores all stats your gear provides and ovewrite it with its previously calculated stats -> no weapon/spelldmg, no reg values, no 5 piece setbonis if they are not procs
3. you now have insanely high base stats but nothing else

what does that mean once you are out of the battlelvl area?
as spell/weapon dmg is 10-11x as effective dmg wise as base stats so one spell/weapondmg set bonus equals ~10k points of your stamina or magica
instead of 500-800 regen you are now able to achieve 2k-6k making you alot more duarable (defensive abilities) and able to deliver dmg for alonger time than battlelvled
and it allows you to distribute your points as you like you do not need 15k++ of your tertiery resource or 31k+ health allowing you to significantly increase your primary dmg stat.

I had 2.7 k stam regen battle leveled so something here isn't right. Also the fifth part of five piece bonus does work battle leveled not just sets that proc. and where did you get this info. Post links.

When I get home I'll test and screen shot all these things on my Templar since he's still vr9. I recommend you do the same. And it probably wouldn't hurt if you turned down the arrogant elitist *** down a bit.

Leandor

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Alucardo wrote: »

KingShocker wrote: »

saying "twice as much" over and over again isn't a very compelling break down.

Pretty sure he made his point, though. His stats were almost double yours. So you're complaining about battle levelling based on your half-baked character with substandard statistics for your level.

Substandard statistics would be saying "twice as much " over and over again. His stats are double everyone's he has "twice as much" stats.

Actually, they are. But I can see that you chose to ignore the post. And good luck trying the grammar/wording thing on me, mate. I don't give a ship on those attempts, since English is actually not my native language.

KingShocker

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Two Three things:

1. Lose the "I'm gonna sue" threat. It's asinine and holds no weight.
2. How to fix this, hmmmm...Turn Battle Leveling Off, maybe?
3. If you're getting your butt handed to you now, it's not due to lower level characters being battle leveled, I guarantee it.

I turned it of as of level 48 (when you only got leveled to 50 at the time), as it also made my stats go down, not up.

Battle leveling averages you out to a norm - nothing says you have to be content with it.

1. Who are you quoting? I asked if it was something I could sue them for i didn't say "I'm gonna sue" and it was a statement I made out of anger ( which was explained in the OP)
2. I can't turn battle leveling off of everyone else. And I can't turn it back on now.
3. I still do actually pretty good but I took a major cut in stats. I'm just a fraction of what I used to be.

KingShocker

Heathenpride wrote: »

Thought I would read this thread and have a quiet informative lurk, by the start of page 2 it was obvious that wasn't happening.

OP, you have ripped out numerous double posts and at least one triple post.

If it was just one then I'd be guilty of mini-modding but enough is enough... OP, STOP IT. Every forum on the internet has the same rule: Don't double post, use the multi quote or edit functionality

The forum has rules, respect them. The beauty of a forum like this is you have the freedom to vent/rant/congratulate/opine/postulate as much as you like but you have to do it whilst sticking to the rules, it's not rocket science.

Sorry I guess. I'm doing this all from my phone maybe that has something to do with it.

Heathenpride

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Heathenpride wrote: »

Thought I would read this thread and have a quiet informative lurk, by the start of page 2 it was obvious that wasn't happening.

OP, you have ripped out numerous double posts and at least one triple post.

If it was just one then I'd be guilty of mini-modding but enough is enough... OP, STOP IT. Every forum on the internet has the same rule: Don't double post, use the multi quote or edit functionality

The forum has rules, respect them. The beauty of a forum like this is you have the freedom to vent/rant/congratulate/opine/postulate as much as you like but you have to do it whilst sticking to the rules, it's not rocket science.

Sorry I guess. I'm doing this all from my phone maybe that has something to do with it.

That's entirely possible, and thanks for a reasonable answer.

In your phone browser you should still have the option to multi-quote or edit, I would be surprised if not.

I had a quick look for some support info on it (in the forums) but came up empty unfortunately. When making replies have a good look at the options for each post, should be an option to do both I'd hope.

ItsRejectz

F*÷k New players, they should feel weaker the someone who has been playing over a year

Tankqull

KingShocker wrote: »

I had 2.7 k stam regen battle leveled so something here isn't right. Also the fifth part of five piece bonus does work battle leveled not just sets that proc. and where did you get this info. Post links.

When I get home I'll test and screen shot all these things on my Templar since he's still vr9. I recommend you do the same. And it probably wouldn't hurt if you turned down the arrogant elitist *** down a bit.

if you can reproduce this i would like to ask to hand in a bug report as there is sth wrong with your items/char. as all my chars ever had the 5xx basevalue + racial + class +/- WW/vamp bonis + evtl drinks

Merlin13KAGL

KingShocker wrote: »

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Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Two Three things:

1. Lose the "I'm gonna sue" threat. It's asinine and holds no weight.
2. How to fix this, hmmmm...Turn Battle Leveling Off, maybe?
3. If you're getting your butt handed to you now, it's not due to lower level characters being battle leveled, I guarantee it.

I turned it of as of level 48 (when you only got leveled to 50 at the time), as it also made my stats go down, not up.

Battle leveling averages you out to a norm - nothing says you have to be content with it.

1. Who are you quoting? I asked if it was something I could sue them for i didn't say "I'm gonna sue" and it was a statement I made out of anger ( which was explained in the OP)
2. I can't turn battle leveling off of everyone else. And I can't turn it back on now.
3. I still do actually pretty good but I took a major cut in stats. I'm just a fraction of what I used to be.

@KingShocker

1. You can edit your initial post, removing the question we all know you already knew the answer to. No Explanation needed that way, and we don't have to argue technicalities, as I'm sure you were asking if you could do it without the intention to do it. So, you either already knew you couldn't (making the question asinine due to the rhetorical nature - it adds nothing to your post), or you genuinely wanted to know if you could, making it scarcely different than "Imma gonna sue!"
2. No, you can't turn BL off of everyone else. You can turn BL off on any character you have that is VR13 or lower, as it levels one to VR14 in medium quality gear. As previously mentioned, if you are below VR14, there is a chance your stats will go down based on your build.
   This means they are not going to have better stats as a battle leveled VR14 than an actual VR14, they're simply not going to have control of where they go.
   As an actual VR14 +, you have the option to fine tune your build, improve your gear (you are not limited to medium quality gear, nor the same gear as everyone else - see Battle leveling). This alone gives you more options than any battle leveled VR<14 has.
   You have access to gear they cannot use at their level, with set bonuses accordingly. You can take better food, use better enchants, and better potions than they can.
   You get the same basic buff everyone has entering Cyrodiil. Beyond that, Battle leveling doesn't make a VR1 stronger than you at VR14, it simply makes them closer to equal to you at VR14 (translated to, gives them a fighting chance.)
   You wouldn't get upset fighting another VR14 with higher/different stats than you, why should you get upset fighting a VR14 equivalent?
3. Everyone took a cut in stats in the last major patch, especially in regen. This also applies to battle leveled VR's. Adjust your build, same as everyone else. BL is not the reason behind your stat change, the last major patch is.
   Either way, your VR14+ still has the ability to have an advantage over any BL'd VR14 equivalent.
   Battle leveling doesn't make you stronger than a VR14, it just evens the odds a bit more.

ItsRejectz wrote: »

F*÷k New players, they should feel weaker the someone who has been playing over a year

That's the spirit, that'll really make 'em want to come join the fight.

I suspect, unless you are monumentally bad or they are exceptionally good, they already do feel weaker than someone with a year's experience, and that's before we factor in CP's.

Pro tip: As I understand it, you can still go to the starter areas of your home alliance. There are level 1 mudcrabs you can Rek all day long.

newtinmpls

KingShocker wrote: »

ya it's good but it's insanely to powerful. and it ends at vr 14 then you will get wrecked by everything. whats the point of continueing on this character when I should just make a new one and live up the battle leveling life.

I know that some folks do that and have fun with it.

SneaK

They just need to decrease the battle leveling a little. The buff is too much. They are shooting for the "average VR14" but they should really be scaling it to the "below average VR14". It would still give the lower levels a reason to opt in for it, but would also give the VR14's a reason to be there.

Asmael

SneaK wrote: »

They just need to decrease the battle leveling a little. The buff is too much. They are shooting for the "average" VR14 but they should really be scaling it to the below average VR14. It would still give the lower levels a reason to opt in for it, but would also give the VR14's a reason to be there.

Heeeeeeeerr nope. I mean, nope.

Like, nope. I mean, they said they'd scale it to an average v14, but the health, stam and magicka pools havent' budged an inch since 1.6. If anything, battle-leveled chars should get increased stam and magicka, even at the cost of slightly lower health.

Or do you feel like playing a "below average v14" against a fully geared v16?

You deal half their damage, have less than half their resource pool, and they still have pretty much the same health.

Waffennacht

Console doesn't have this yet right? In vet Cyrodiil

SneaK

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SneaK wrote: »

They just need to decrease the battle leveling a little. The buff is too much. They are shooting for the "average" VR14 but they should really be scaling it to the below average VR14. It would still give the lower levels a reason to opt in for it, but would also give the VR14's a reason to be there.

Heeeeeeeerr nope. I mean, nope.

Like, nope. I mean, they said they'd scale it to an average v14, but the health, stam and magicka pools havent' budged an inch since 1.6. If anything, battle-leveled chars should get increased stam and magicka, even at the cost of slightly lower health.

Or do you feel like playing a "below average v14" against a fully geared v16?

You deal half their damage, have less than half their resource pool, and they still have pretty much the same health.

I mean, if I'm a VR2 going against a VR16, yeah, I'd like to be up to a below average level of a VR14...

Alucardo

ItsRejectz wrote: »

F*÷k New players, they should feel weaker the someone who has been playing over a year

Well, you're an idiot.

It's actually helpful for Veterans grinding new alts that hate PVE. They can get straight into the PVP without dying from a 1 hit frag.

Tankqull

Waffennacht wrote: »

Console doesn't have this yet right? In vet Cyrodiil

they have - atleast the version up to vet10 not 100% sure if the vet14 version is applied.

tist

Why they would make low vets strong if not stronger than max vets makes no sense to begin with.

rb2001

OP, I really don't like the concept of battle leveling.

I think it detracts from, well, everything an RPG stands for, about making your character good via continuous improvements.

I think if everyone is running battle level in there, it kind of defeats the uniqueness of our characters, and turns it into more of a chess game.

That's just me. Maybe we agree. The thing is, you can always turn it off, and I'm going to, even accepting that it gimps me, but that's okay, because my character isn't there yet.

It does bother me a bit that everyone there is going to have 37k health, and I don't really understand why battle level should scale that high.

In my mind, battle level should scale up your existing stats, so that you are never just given the same as everyone else, and so that your character build still matters primarily.

I think it's a slippery slope with devs determining irrespective of the actual VR14+s' stats what should be "competitive values", and I think that artificially raising the roof on what a character can do is bad game design.

My take is that this stuff shouldn't be done in games, and leave it to the players' actual stat differences to matter in PVP, and that the players "not on top yet" should come to grips with that until they have put in the play time to get there.

So, OP, I think I understand your frustration. The way battle leveling is implanted is really screwy in my opinion, and misleading, and you have to ask "which is the real me"?

Battle spirit, too. I don't really understand the meaning behind inflating everyone's stats and abilities the same way. It just seems like a patch fix for incomplete game design in this area, or something that couldn't be controlled without a proper redesign.

Paradox

I mean... It's this... Or get 2 shot by Stam NBs again.

zornyan

I'll say it again, a battle leveled character has zero chance in reality against a true vr14, there were some VR14s hitting 6.5k weapon damage...SIX TIMES the battle leveled character

All battle leveling does is give you a large hp pool, but you have barely any armor, barely any regen, can't take advantage of most traits and gear sets etc

It literially means they are running around with barely any damage just large hp pools, go in as a battle leveled character with 1100 weapon damage, see how effective all your attacks are against the 35k resistances of that tank your up against?

Or see how much damage you can block from the Nb with 6k weapon damage.

My point is, battle leveling doesn't make someone any stronger than the true level, hell even at vr6 my dk has more stamina, more regen, and nearly 3x the armor of a battle leveled character.

Not to mention passives, and maxed out abilities, and the ability to mix and match gear sets to gain the most damage possible like being able to use 3 piece morag and 2 piece ashen grip for a total of 1.2k extra hp, 250 extra weapon damage and 140 extra spell damage.

Please tell me again how the battle leveling is op..

Tonturri

I just went into PvP on my vr4 templar...I gained 10k stamina, 10k health, and got my magicka regen cut in half O.o I don't need the stamina, I don't need the heath (would be around 20k health, 25k magicka in Cyro with normal buffs).

Little ridiculous. I know I can turn it off, but still.

yodased

The point i think that is missed is that the op stated is they dont want to have to do anything to be able to kill vr16s with a vr14.

The op misses the point where battle leveling exists because you in actuality can not be on a level playing field with sub v14 gear and stat point allocation.

The op doesnt understand that once you get vr14 you can now become,comprable to everyone else by making gear or running dungeons or by pvp.

The entire reason battle leveling exists is why you are mad. Vr14 = endgame. Get the stats like everyone else and stop relying on a crutch.

To make a real world metaphor.

You have been in a class that grades on a bell curve. You have now graduated to a linear scale where merit is the only factor.

Cathexis

Nvm. Reread.

Duelkiller

my stats are worse when im battle lvled and it pisses me off

Duelkiller

wont let me disable it on console either for some reason
they shoud of left battle lvl with 10-50 not vet rank its more fulfilling when i killing vet 14s at vet 1 without battle lvl
with a disadvantage it made me into a better player

CP5

Duelkiller wrote: »

wont let me disable it on console either for some reason
they shoud of left battle lvl with 10-50 not vet rank its more fulfilling when i killing vet 14s at vet 1 without battle lvl
with a disadvantage it made me into a better player

You can turn it off, but not in Cryodiil.

ItsRejectz

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ItsRejectz wrote: »

F*÷k New players, they should feel weaker the someone who has been playing over a year

Well, you're an idiot.

It's actually helpful for Veterans grinding new alts that hate PVE. They can get straight into the PVP without dying from a 1 hit frag.

Meh, f#@k alts to

Leandor

ItsRejectz wrote: »

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Alucardo wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

F*÷k New players, they should feel weaker the someone who has been playing over a year

Well, you're an idiot.

It's actually helpful for Veterans grinding new alts that hate PVE. They can get straight into the PVP without dying from a 1 hit frag.

Meh, f#@k alts to

Now the choice of nickname makes sense...