This battle level is an outrage!

KingShocker

so I have many v14 that I haven't touched since the release of IC because I've been so focused on my stam sorc but I just leveled him to VR14 and I'm pissed.
from VR1 to VR 13 I had 31k health 17.8k magika 19.2k stam, now I have 19k health 10k magika and 16k stamina. WHAT THE ***. ARE YOU SERIOUS.

that is a insane gap in stats. I feel like a complete idiot because this whole time I thought I was good wrecking v16 with my stam sorc from VR1 to VR13. now I realize I just had way better stats.

I know I should take awhile to calm down before raging out here on the forums but i'm *** pissed!

like I genuinely want to know if I can sue ZOS right now. I invested so much time and money in this game to reach a higher level that I worked my ass to get to and have my stats divided. i'm specced all the way into damage and stamina and I even did better damage with battle level on and I replaced my purple V10 two hander for a gold V14 one when I ranked up.

I know battle level is just a pvp thing but but the place for you to go from VR14 to VR16 is in pvp! Now I have to bust my ass even more in a zone just to get the level and gear to get me back on par with what I was ever since level *** ten!

If battle level ends at VR13 then it should give the stats of VR13 so when you get to VR14 you actually get something not just a big fat Zos dump on your face.

with all the time and money I invest into the game I think it's alright for me to demand a response from ZOS NOW. and not just a moderator telling me to calm my *** (in a more professional manner).

How are more people not pissed about this?

Zyle

You should be happy imo, you're having the handicap removed and you can actually compete on a fair battle level with other end game characters.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

Umm... you know you can turn battle level OFF, right?

Domander

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

You should be happy imo, you're having the handicap removed and you can actually compete on a fair battle level with other end game characters.

I think the OP means that while battle leveled their stats were better than at high level, which is probably true. I was wondering.

newtinmpls

KingShocker wrote: »

How are more people not pissed about this?

Well ... there is no super polite way to say this but,

1-it's just a game

2-I noted a similar "issue" when I went from non-vet to vet campaigns a while ago. Figured it wouldn't be the last time that happened.

3-There are multiple "bump" points in one's game experience ... sometimes when you move to a different area, sometimes when you change builds, sometimes when a patch changes things in a big way. Yes, they will be frustrating times at first, but then we all learn.

4-In my particular case, I'm an RPG freaky-alt-o-holic, and I like to switch off different characters. I'm invested in having many moments of experiencing the world/game "through X character" so if there is a lot of death/learning, I can look at it as part of the process and not take it so personally. If investing in "a" character (and maybe that's not even what you are doing - but it's just a thought here) leads to this kind of stress, I'd invite you to try it my way for a bit.

5-Look at respec-ing and re-doing your build/bar/skills as an adventure and/or an exploration, not as an insult or shame to the previous build. It's all exploration and could hopefully be fun.

Artemisshrikes

ya your raging isn't logical its a good thing what you discovered not a bad thing

Wreuntzylla

It's because now you are reliant on gear. You can have better stats if you get better gear...

Zyle

Domander wrote: »

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bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

You should be happy imo, you're having the handicap removed and you can actually compete on a fair battle level with other end game characters.

I think the OP means that while battle leveled their stats were better than at high level, which is probably true. I was wondering.

Ah good point, re-read it. In that case OP, I would recommend looking into getting some new items, especially if you're running level 10 gear. There are tons of builds/guides online to gather ideas from. I for one am rarely satisfied for long with my gear and constantly switch it up.

Alucardo

What's with people wanting to sue ZOS over ridiculous things these days? To be honest, I like battle levelling. There's no way I'd be able to participate properly in PVP as a low level character in BWB, or a VR1 in Vet campaigns. At least battle levelling gives me a chance. Like, have you seen the difference in gear between 10-49 and VR1-VR14?

KingShocker

Alucardo wrote: »

What's with people wanting to sue ZOS over ridiculous things these days? To be honest, I like battle levelling. There's no way I'd be able to participate properly in PVP as a low level character in BWB, or a VR1 in Vet campaigns. At least battle levelling gives me a chance. Like, have you seen the difference in gear between 10-49 and VR1-VR14?

ya it's good but it's insanely to powerful. and it ends at vr 14 then you will get wrecked by everything. whats the point of continueing on this character when I should just make a new one and live up the battle leveling life.

people probably want to sue Zos allot because they fill cheated by their frequent poor choice.

KingShocker

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Domander wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

You should be happy imo, you're having the handicap removed and you can actually compete on a fair battle level with other end game characters.

I think the OP means that while battle leveled their stats were better than at high level, which is probably true. I was wondering.

Ah good point, re-read it. In that case OP, I would recommend looking into getting some new items, especially if you're running level 10 gear. There are tons of builds/guides online to gather ideas from. I for one am rarely satisfied for long with my gear and constantly switch it up.

or better idea I coul just re role and stay battle leveled. in case you missed it earlier I was wrecking v16 with ease before and i'm honestly not even that great of a player. I could get all my skills maxed out and i'll be good to go. what's the point of maxing out a character. so you can be on par with lowbies. right now VR14's are the weakest in pvp by an incredible amount

KingShocker

Artemisshrikes wrote: »

ya your raging isn't logical its a good thing what you discovered not a bad thing

this statement makes no sense "good thing what you discovered not a bad thing". my rage is perfectly logical.

Forestd16b14_ESO

So you're upset that ZOS is trying to encourage low levels and newbi players to join in on PvP ? Cause do keep in mind that low levels are still at that disadvantage of them only having a few skills and weapons such as level 14 and below don't have access to weapon swap yet which means there stuck with there weapon and 5 skills and ulti.

So stat wise yes there the same as end game players but gear and skill wise not so much.

KingShocker

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So you're upset that ZOS is trying to encourage low levels and newbi players to join in on PvP ?

did you see the gap in stats you lose when you hit VR14? that's what i'm upset about. like I said (and it's really hard for allot of you to wrap your minds around, I can tell) your stats should be battle leveled to the stats of the rank you are when you lose the battle level. if they buff y5ou to VR 16 stats then you should be able to keep battle level until you hit VR 16. but since they end at VR13 they should only buff yo5u to the stats of VR 13.

chevalierknight

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So you're upset that ZOS is trying to encourage low levels and newbi players to join in on PvP ? Cause do keep in mind that low levels are still at that disadvantage of them only having a few skills and weapons such as level 14 and below don't have access to weapon swap yet which means there stuck with there weapon and 5 skills and ulti.

So stat wise yes there the same as end game players but gear and skill wise not so much.

At vet 8 i have every class abilty unlocked and assasult support and my stats are jacked with my gear i have no problem 1v1 vr14s battle level was only needed for nonvets

Op is talking about vets not nonvets so you comment is off point

KingShocker

Domander wrote: »

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bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

You should be happy imo, you're having the handicap removed and you can actually compete on a fair battle level with other end game characters.

I think the OP means that while battle leveled their stats were better than at high level, which is probably true. I was wondering.

YES! this guy gets it.

KingShocker

chevalierknight wrote: »

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Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So you're upset that ZOS is trying to encourage low levels and newbi players to join in on PvP ? Cause do keep in mind that low levels are still at that disadvantage of them only having a few skills and weapons such as level 14 and below don't have access to weapon swap yet which means there stuck with there weapon and 5 skills and ulti.

So stat wise yes there the same as end game players but gear and skill wise not so much.

At vet 8 i have every class abilty unlocked and assasult support and my stats are jacked with my gear i have no problem 1v1 vr14s battle level was only needed for nonvets

Op is talking about vets not nonvets

exactly^ VR 14's are AP and tel var food for everyone right now.

KingShocker

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Domander wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

You should be happy imo, you're having the handicap removed and you can actually compete on a fair battle level with other end game characters.

I think the OP means that while battle leveled their stats were better than at high level, which is probably true. I was wondering.

Ah good point, re-read it. In that case OP, I would recommend looking into getting some new items, especially if you're running level 10 gear. There are tons of builds/guides online to gather ideas from. I for one am rarely satisfied for long with my gear and constantly switch it up.

in my original post I mentioned I replaced my VR10 gear for VR14 gold gear and still did less damage and I am way squishier. no where did I say I had level 10 gear. any build is gonna be way worse when you take ~30% health/magika/stamina from it.

Tankqull

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Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So you're upset that ZOS is trying to encourage low levels and newbi players to join in on PvP ?

did you see the gap in stats you lose when you hit VR14? that's what i'm upset about. like I said (and it's really hard for allot of you to wrap your minds around, I can tell) your stats should be battle leveled to the stats of the rank you are when you lose the battle level. if they buff y5ou to VR 16 stats then you should be able to keep battle level until you hit VR 16. but since they end at VR13 they should only buff yo5u to the stats of VR 13.

it actually buffs you to the stats you could have at v14 you actually need to bring your gear to that lvl. the problem from my pov seems to be that it emulates CPs aswell wich newcommers do not have at the ammount the battle-lvl emulates...

KingShocker

again what i'm proposing for this issue is :

1. make the battle level only buff the stats to that of a VR 13 character (which is the last level that you can use it).
2. make you able to use it still up to VR16 where you can turn it of once you feel your stats are high enough to compete.

I'm not saying to get rid of it, I do think it's necessary. it just needs to be fixed.

Joy_Division

If I recall correct, battle leveling did not count most gear /character bonuses to important stuff like spellpower, which would mean v13s have a lot of health but hit like wet noodles.

KingShocker

Tankqull wrote: »

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KingShocker wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So you're upset that ZOS is trying to encourage low levels and newbi players to join in on PvP ?

did you see the gap in stats you lose when you hit VR14? that's what i'm upset about. like I said (and it's really hard for allot of you to wrap your minds around, I can tell) your stats should be battle leveled to the stats of the rank you are when you lose the battle level. if they buff y5ou to VR 16 stats then you should be able to keep battle level until you hit VR 16. but since they end at VR13 they should only buff yo5u to the stats of VR 13.

it actually buffs you to the stats you could have at v14 you actually need to bring your gear to that lvl. the problem from my pov seems to be that it emulates CPs aswell wich newcommers do not have at the ammount the battle-lvl emulates...

well my gear is gold vr14 (up from purple vr10 gear I had at vr13) and no it buffs to vr16, I think the patch notes even state this. I have almost 300 cp. i'm not new.but thank you for trying to help. I appreciate you trying to help me figure this out

Tankqull

now change your gear to provide only stat setboni as the emulated battlelvl gear provides and be happy about slightly hihger stats than before.

KingShocker

Tankqull wrote: »

now change your gear to provide only stat setboni as the emulated battlelvl gear provides and be happy about slightly hihger stats than before.

it's gold twice born star and i'm not enjoying significantly lower stats

KingShocker

Joy_Division wrote: »

If I recall correct, battle leveling did not count most gear /character bonuses to important stuff like spellpower, which would mean v13s have a lot of health but hit like wet noodles.

ya I did hit a little lighter than VR16 but I was so insanely more tanky they were easy to kill. I think that's inpart to battle spirit. 50% damage debuff makes all your damage stats half as effective but makes mitigation stats and health twice as effective. I definitely didn't hit like a wet noodle.

MrGrimey

Battle leveling is a good thing... Just get better gear and stop crying

KingShocker

MrGrimey wrote: »

Battle leveling is a good thing... Just get better gear and stop crying

but with battle level I didn't have to get better, that's the point. and this is my thread I can cry if I want to. and do you even read broh?

KingShocker wrote: »

again what i'm proposing for this issue is :

1. make the battle level only buff the stats to that of a VR 13 character (which is the last level that you can use it).
2. make you able to use it still up to VR16 where you can turn it of once you feel your stats are high enough to compete.

I'm not saying to get rid of it, I do think it's necessary. it just needs to be fixed.

Forztr

Repair your gear, buy tristat food, and make sure all your gear is enchanted. The stats you listed for gold VR14 stuff look way too low.

I switched off battle leveling at v10-12 because it gave me more control on what my stats were and helped me perform better.

KingShocker

Forztr wrote: »

Repair your gear, buy tristat food, and make sure all your gear is enchanted. The stats you listed for gold VR14 stuff look way too low.

well what's your stats then? I've done all that. I was even using drinks before not food but even with using food now I can't get close to what it was. and I've been asking allot v16 that have all the new gear and their stats don't seem all that high either.

Leandor

I was decked out at V14 when I entered IC, but I did not notice battle leveled chars to be too strong. I probably had twice as much spell damage and regeneration stats. I know that I had twice as much magicka (35k over 18k). That means my shields were still twice as strong, my damage was close to twice as much, my sustain was much better in magicka and probably quite similar in stamina.

I wouldn't think that battle leveling has changed over the state it was in before. If you look at health/magicka/stamina only, a battle leveled char may have an advantage. Now, with scaling drinks, you can get your regeneration stats up to level as well. There are builds that work really well while battle leveled (there was a Ball of Lightning sorc in Azura EU that was almost unkillable at level 30-something in 2.0) but you had to build exactly for the strengths of it.

In general, I have nothing against battle leveling, since it has the huge constraint of limiting specialization.

KingShocker

Leandor wrote: »

I was decked out at V14 when I entered IC, but I did not notice battle leveled chars to be too strong. I probably had twice as much spell damage and regeneration stats. I know that I had twice as much magicka (35k over 18k). That means my shields were still twice as strong, my damage was close to twice as much, my sustain was much better in magicka and probably quite similar in stamina.

I wouldn't think that battle leveling has changed over the state it was in before. If you look at health/magicka/stamina only, a battle leveled char may have an advantage. Now, with scaling drinks, you can get your regeneration stats up to level as well. There are builds that work really well while battle leveled (there was a Ball of Lightning sorc in Azura EU that was almost unkillable at level 30-something in 2.0) but you had to build exactly for the strengths of it.

In general, I have nothing against battle leveling, since it has the huge constraint of limiting specialization.

ya but not really, before I hit vr 14 and had to respec I had almost 3k stam regen and 1.5 of the other two with 52.7% weapon crit with a two-hander. and 2.2k weapon damage. I was tanky and I could rek. but now I gave all that up to just bolster my main stats and I still get blown up.

also not every build has the luxury to have 1 stat mean so much (damage, survivability with shields, more spell casts)

f*ck specialization if it means you give up so much. I understand it will probably balance out when I hit VR 16 but I should be able to keep battle level until my stats are high enough to compete.