So in order to PVE you have to PVP?

nihonseanb14_ESO

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

Thymos

You can play the dungeons without going into the IC area, and just porting to the dungeons themselves.

Sallington

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

Then you have literally the other 95% of the game at your disposal.

Kobaal

And now I have to PVE to get my gear for end game PvP... RAWR. I'm so mad.

MrGrimey

So in order to pvp I have to pve right? Funny how that works both ways

Inactive Account

Its the new "Fifty Shades of Grey " DLC. S&M, with heavy leanings to tbe S side.

nihonseanb14_ESO

@ParadoxD

Yeah pretty much what I'm leaning towards. I'll play for free til something else comes along.

Kobaal

nihonseanb14_ESO

@Sallington

"Then you literally have 95% of the game at your disposal" Yes, all the v14 and below areas. Please tell me where the non-pvp v15 and v16 areas are.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Just wait untill Orcisium comes out and you'll get all the "I have to PvE to get the best gear for PvPing" threads.

timidobserver

There isn't any PVE content that can't be done without going into PvP. Really nothing has changed. In 1.6 what PVErs actually bought their Cyrodiils light, Ravager, Morag's Tong, and Shadow Walker gear with their own AP? Most people bought those items with gold. You can do the exact same thing with the new PvP gear in 2.1.

Thymos

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

@Sallington

"Then you literally have 95% of the game at your disposal" Yes, all the v14 and below areas. Please tell me where the non-pvp v15 and v16 areas are.

Dungeons. They all scale up.

badmojo

Do the same as PVP'ers are forced to do with stuff like VR12 Warlock rings, buy the gear from someone who does the content that you don't like.

nihonseanb14_ESO

@Thymos

So....pay for an expansion so I can do the exact same content, just at new levels. That sounds legit....

Thymos

@nihonseanb14_ESO well, there are 2 new dungeons.

Sallington

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

@Thymos

So....pay for an expansion so I can do the exact same content, just at new levels. That sounds legit....

I'm sorry that they don't only release content that caters to people who only enjoy 1 specific aspect of their game.

IC has been by far the most fun I've had since launch. I enjoy both PvE and PvP, and they found an excellent way to mix the two together. Why do some people feel that they need to label themselves a certain way and make it sound like anything that doesn't fit their interest is a giant waste of resources?

Thymos

Sallington wrote: »

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

@Thymos

So....pay for an expansion so I can do the exact same content, just at new levels. That sounds legit....

I'm sorry that they don't only release content that caters to people who only enjoy 1 specific aspect of their game.

IC has been by far the most fun I've had since launch. I enjoy both PvE and PvP, and they found an excellent way to mix the two together. Why do some people feel that they need to label themselves a certain way and make it sounds like anything that doesn't fit their interest is a giant waste of resources?

That's how I feel.

nihonseanb14_ESO

Maybe some of you don't understand what 'content' is. Content is not: I got hawt lootz. Or doing the same dungeon over and over and over.

I enjoy exploring. I enjoy doing quests. I don't enjoy doing pvp.

And I'm not alone in this.

Freeman

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

@Thymos

So....pay for an expansion so I can do the exact same content, just at new levels. That sounds legit....

Except you level to V16 without buying the IC DLC and all of the 'exact same content' dungeons will scale with you.

The only thing you'd be buying would be the 2 new IC dungeons.

Thymos

Content is addition to the current game.

Content can include something added to the store, like a new horse. It can be a single new quest. It can be a single NPC placed in the middle of the Alik'r desert. Just because the content they sold isn't what you want, doesn't make not content.

Content includes anything that is added to the game.

Just because you're not alone in this, doesn't mean people like you are the only ones that play the game.

Sallington

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

Maybe some of you don't understand what 'content' is. Content is not: I got hawt lootz. Or doing the same dungeon over and over and over.

I enjoy exploring. I enjoy doing quests. I don't enjoy doing pvp.

And I'm not alone in this.

If you can get over your hatred of running into members of the posing factions (in a game that was advertised with a 3-way war at it's center), the IC sewers especially are incredible to explore. They are HUUUGGGGEEEE!!!, and with a lot of challenging boss encounters along the way. If you really enjoy PvE the way you say you do, I don't know how you wouldn't enjoy at least some of what IC offers, including 2 brand new dungeons.

It sounds like you lost some stones once and got butthurt. We all are going to lose stones/fights in IC, that's the nature of the zone. It's all in good fun though, risk vs reward. And if running into other players is that big of a turnoff, Orsinium probably isn't far off.

wraith808

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

Now you know how PvPers feel.

Personally, I like both. But I could understand their pain at Cyrodiil giving the experience that it did (though paradoxically, PvEing in Cyrodiil gave pretty good XP), and the road to max level being so long.

Mawgusta

Quite the opposite. In order for me to get dropped sets I have to PVE in IC. I hate Ai controlled dps fights where I have to pretend I'm good at a game by hitting buttons in sequence, moving out of fire every 12 seconds on biblical timing, and moving back in.. My god... Devs.... watch sypher videos and then make a pve encounter that mimics his actions, while also exploiting every bug exploit in game. Give it double mundus while not wearing the gear, give it sharpened exploits, simulate a macro player and have it drop 5 abilities on a players in .05 of a second... Then give them BIND ON PICKUP...

Other wise let it be sold on merchants.

Ps.. after the fight.. Have the mob send crappy excuses why it can hit you 5 times in a row with heavy hits and channeled abilities before the 5 other mobs can hit you one time, even through they are all on you.

wraith808

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

@Thymos

So....pay for an expansion so I can do the exact same content, just at new levels. That sounds legit....

No one ever said pay for it. You don't have to pay to use the scaled up dungeons.

Funkopotamus

No you just have to wait till the "PVE" DLC comes out later on..
This one is PVP..

Blade_07

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

But they did! They knew all to well exactly what they was doing. They put the new PvE grind and new crafting stuff behind the PvP door. The bios PvP developers want more fresh meat to easily gank and grieve. They know that PvE people hardly group up to do anything so they will almost always be solo and be pathetically easy pray for them to exploit. Also it was a push to also get PvE'ers to buy their DLC.

NewBlacksmurf

I get your post but I think there are ppl who PvP who differ as well.
I think it's good for PvP folks to be able to do things other than just take keeps, PK, Zerg or camp PK.

It's a balance so perhaps the design is unclear but I get your point.

miked83b14_ESO

All MMOs have an area in their game where you have PvE mixed with PvP. Imperial City is ESO's.

Hope499

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

Not sure where you get your data, but you are 100% incorrect.

If you mean that the new DLC is for PvP, then yes, that was stated some time ago.

AlnilamE

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

There's plenty of PvE to do in the base patch depending on what you like to do.

I don't consider myself a PvPer, but I've been to IC (mainly the sewers) and thought it was quite fun. It really doesn't matter much if an enemy player can kill you, when the Patrolling Horrors can one-shot you fare more easily.

I have not tried the new dungeons yet, and I'm looking forward to doing the "old" group dungeons at V16.

But you really don't need to buy the DLC if you don't want to. This was always meant to be a PvP-oriented update, and the PvPers were starving for content. The next update will be PvE-oriented, so if you wish, just save your crowns for that one.

nimander99

@nihonseanb14_ESO I haven't seen anyone say this yet so ill say it here. This, to me, is an obvious move away from crafting the best gear towards not buying gear but buying mats for the best gear (Crown Store).

With mats that take forever to get also requiring thousands of mats for one set or thousands of TV stones for a full set... its as much of a grind as CP's are themselves.

Everyone was crying about the extra VR they had to earn and I'm sure some folks at ZoS were snickering at those posts thinking to themselves wait till they see what it takes to make a set of VR16 armor heh heh.