So in order to PVE you have to PVP?

nimander99

Remember when we had to pay a sub and it was possible to get the new motif's through normal play... and the mats to make that gear? I wish ESO Plus gave us that bonus.

AlnilamE

nimander99 wrote: »

@nihonseanb14_ESO I haven't seen anyone say this yet so ill say it here. This, to me, is an obvious move away from crafting the best gear towards not buying gear but buying mats for the best gear (Crown Store).

With mats that take forever to get also requiring thousands of mats for one set or thousands of TV stones for a full set... its as much of a grind as CP's are themselves.

Everyone was crying about the extra VR they had to earn and I'm sure some folks at ZoS were snickering at those posts thinking to themselves wait till they see what it takes to make a set of VR16 armor heh heh.

I can understand why they did it, though. Considering it takes a few hours to get from V14 to V16, if it was also possible to craft new gear right away then people would complain about lack of content within days of the content coming out.

thelordoffelines

Blade_07 wrote: »

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

They know that PvE people hardly group up to do anything so they will almost always be solo and be pathetically easy pray for them to exploit. Also it was a push to also get PvE'ers to buy their DLC.

What? Allt he pve'ers i meet in IC (i know because of their low rank) are in big groups and most likely to zerg you down. The type of people who, the second they take damage, run to their large group for cover.

Xendyn

Blade_07 wrote: »

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

But they did! They knew all to well exactly what they was doing. They put the new PvE grind and new crafting stuff behind the PvP door. The bios PvP developers want more fresh meat to easily gank and grieve. They know that PvE people hardly group up to do anything so they will almost always be solo and be pathetically easy pray for them to exploit. Also it was a push to also get PvE'ers to buy their DLC.

I still want to know what a bios developer is.

Arato

Sallington wrote: »

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

Then you have literally the other 95% of the game at your disposal.

That content is not VR15-16 though.

Freeman

Arato wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

Then you have literally the other 95% of the game at your disposal.

That content is not VR15-16 though.

Every single Vet dungeon would like to have a word with you.

Sandmanninja

Sallington wrote: »

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

Maybe some of you don't understand what 'content' is. Content is not: I got hawt lootz. Or doing the same dungeon over and over and over.

I enjoy exploring. I enjoy doing quests. I don't enjoy doing pvp.

And I'm not alone in this.

If you can get over your hatred of running into members of the posing factions (in a game that was advertised with a 3-way war at it's center)

The other factions are phased. PHASED. I'm VR14 DC and can go to any of the zones, but they are attuned to my faction.
If I want to explore the new DLC zone, get it's shards and enjoy it, I would be forced to PvP.

Just *** pvp. honestly. My sub runs out soon and I have no intention of re-subbing to support consoles and PvP ***.

Pirhana7_ESO

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

So if you want to PVE now you have to go to the over populated/laggy PVP area and grind mobs to get gear to do new content, that is all in that area.

Here's a question for you Zeni: What if I don't really care for pvp?

Not sure you though this all the way through....

You understand this is a mixed PVP / PVE game right? they have been very clear about that since production. If you want everything you will need to do both. This is NOT a game that seperates PVP and PVE. if you want that then GW2 would be great for you.

Funkopotamus

Ravici wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

You can play the dungeons without going into the IC area, and just porting to the dungeons themselves.

You have to love this rubbish.

How do you get the lorebooks and skyshards by 'somehow' teleporting to a dungeon (that you don't have on your map yet because you haven't been close enough to open the map up)...

So much rubbish coming from you pvpers it's like standing next to a cesspit at clearout time.

Why so much hate for the PvP players?

You do know this is not SkyrimWithFriends right?..... Right?

This update was for the PvPers and it will probably be the only one they get for a year or more so just calm down man.. The next DLC "and the 4 others after that" will be for the PvE players.. Why all of the QQ?

Ravici

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Ravici wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

You can play the dungeons without going into the IC area, and just porting to the dungeons themselves.

You have to love this rubbish.

How do you get the lorebooks and skyshards by 'somehow' teleporting to a dungeon (that you don't have on your map yet because you haven't been close enough to open the map up)...

So much rubbish coming from you pvpers it's like standing next to a cesspit at clearout time.

Why so much hate for the PvP players?

You do know this is not SkyrimWithFriends right?..... Right?

This update was for the PvPers and it will probably be the only one they get for a year or more so just calm down man.. The next DLC "and the 4 others after that" will be for the PvE players.. Why all of the QQ?

My post had nothing to do with any update. I think you need a glass of milk and a cookie

And I hoped to God it wasn't Skyrimwithfriends. I loathed Skyrim

ItsMeToo

Kobaal wrote: »

Just like in Cyrodiil.

amatic

Why do these post keep popping up...you dont play/like pvp..then just leave it...eso has a ton of content..just let pvp get some love.
I bet this will be the only real pvp expansion it gets,give it a break.
P.s. i dont even pvp.

Mojmir

amatic wrote: »

Why do these post keep popping up...you dont play/like pvp..then just leave it...eso has a ton of content..just let pvp get some love.
I bet this will be the only real pvp expansion it gets,give it a break.
P.s. i dont even pvp.

the lashing out im guessing is because:
1.) devs arent responding(they would have to actually listen first).
2.) new crafted armor sets can only be crafted in the new PVP area,whether they are good or not is not the point
3.) new dungeons are in a PVP area,which you have to cross part of cyrodiil to get to.seriously how hard is that?
4.) new PVP influenced armor that can only be had by getting tel var stones,which involves farming in PVP zones.
5.) new crafting writs,materials for vr15-16 gear can only be had inside PVP zone(yes you can get them from farming the dungeons inside the the PVP zone,which if you have group or unlocked it on the map you can skip the "scary" pvp stuff).

seriously though i suck at pvp and i accomplish something new everyday in the "scary pvp" zone. my only issue so far is the horrendous lag and some guy ganking me right before i finish a quest objective. seriously? your not gonna get anything til AFTER i kill the mobs!!!

NobleNerd

Thymos wrote: »

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

@Sallington

"Then you literally have 95% of the game at your disposal" Yes, all the v14 and below areas. Please tell me where the non-pvp v15 and v16 areas are.

Dungeons. They all scale up.

Awesome! Rehash the rehash.

Unfortunately there is zero progression in this DLC and little content. You can get into the 2 new dungeons after discovering them without pvping, but how long before those become old news. After that where do you progress to?... Orsinium will be at the end of the year and hopefully will have much more content than this DLC.

Lucio

I repeat that should separate the two things PvE from PvP , not all people like to fight against other players , especially when playing alone and the system is out of balance , so that's why I decided not to buy IC and not to renew my subscription right now I'm playing just to complete wrist and research . There are many other games where it's worth paying a subscription , but not this , too bad because the base is there, but I see that you are focusing on PvP and losing many players like me...taking inspiration from other MMO can help! Pay for 4 dlc/year is like to pay for a subscription , we can not also subscribe to several months and receive a discount at least for ps4 not know for PC

Pirhana7_ESO

Lucio wrote: »

I repeat that should separate the two things PvE from PvP , not all people like to fight against other players , especially when playing alone and the system is out of balance , so that's why I decided not to buy IC and not to renew my subscription right now I'm playing just to complete wrist and research . There are many other games where it's worth paying a subscription , but not this , too bad because the base is there, but I see that you are focusing on PvP and losing many players like me...taking inspiration from other MMO can help! Pay for 4 dlc/year is like to pay for a subscription , we can not also subscribe to several months and receive a discount at least for ps4 not know for PC

There are and have been ALOT MMOs that seperate PVE and PVP.

ESO is NOT, alot of us have been asking for another MMO that MIXES PVP and PVE and we are glad ESO is finally here because it has been along time since Darkage of Camelot came out

This is a mixed PVP / PVE game. They have been very clear about that since production. If you want everything you will need to do both. This is NOT a game that seperates PVP and PVE. if you want that then GW2 would be great for you or one of the otehr many MMOs. But dont come to ESO knowing that and expect them to change that to cater you what you want.

Selique

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

I've seen this mentioned a few times in various threads now, so i'll clarify some here. Imperial City is meant for the PVP player - it's their turn for some love. If you love PVE and are clamoring for more of that type of content, the Orsinium DLC will be exactly what you want.

wraith808

NobleNerd wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

@Sallington

"Then you literally have 95% of the game at your disposal" Yes, all the v14 and below areas. Please tell me where the non-pvp v15 and v16 areas are.

Dungeons. They all scale up.

Awesome! Rehash the rehash.

Unfortunately there is zero progression in this DLC and little content. You can get into the 2 new dungeons after discovering them without pvping, but how long before those become old news. After that where do you progress to?... Orsinium will be at the end of the year and hopefully will have much more content than this DLC.

There are two separate problems. And people conflate the two, and confuse an argument against one for an argument against the other.

1. The content is for PvPers and PvP/PvEers. I love to PvE in Cyrodiil... but it did get old without new areas to explore, and just recycling the same quest lines. IC is awesome for someone like me. I get to explore a whole new area, and access quests and dungeons, never really needing to leave Cyrodiil to do so. We haven't had *any* new content since the game has been released, and this is a breath of fresh air.
2. The content added 2 VRs, and gear for those VRs. People wrongly say that you have to go to IC to get these things. The other ways aren't as new, but they do exist.

The argument above was to address the fallacy that you can't progress to VR16 and get VR16 in without going to IC. (See point 2). You're trying to address it to point 1... when the correct answer for that one is you've received all of the content updates up until now. You're getting another update around the end of the year.

Don't begrudge us our time in the sunshine.

I'm sure that there will be people griping when Orsinium comes out that PvPers get nothing. You can direct them to IC, as you rightfully enjoy your juicy new content at that point.

HairyFairy

oh my lanta another crybaby with flawed logic.

Baronh2o

This is caused by the fact that all up and coming generations feel that they should be catered to, it's a product of a society where everyone is a winner, and you can't speak your mind for fear of insulting someone.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Go to whatever campaign your alliance is strongest in. Get in a huge group. Run your alliance portion of the sewers and stay tight. You will never be ganked and get tons of loot.

There is barely any PvP in the imperial city. Just boring mobs.